Re: Bug#321669: enigma: Copyright violation for menu.s3m
On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 09:09:33PM +0200, Erich Schubert wrote: Hi, Erich, applying the GPL to a documentation is ok, but don't you think you are pushing things a bit hard by applying it to a music file too ? It doesn't need to be GPL, but it needs to be DFSG-free. Well, i was just surprised that you listed the second alternative as asking the author to GPL it, instead of asking for a fre elicence, but i believe that in this case, any licence that allows distribution of the music track should be ok, not sure though. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#321669: enigma: Copyright violation for menu.s3m
Hi, Well, i was just surprised that you listed the second alternative as asking the author to GPL it, instead of asking for a fre elicence, but i believe that in this case, any licence that allows distribution of the music track should be ok, not sure though. Not by the post-sarge requirements AFAICT. Until then I think we allowed files you cannot modify (although mostly due to technical reasons, i.e. firmware) We have a licence which allows free distribution along with enigma. This is not debian-specific - so it's fine for re-distributors like ubuntu - but still not DFSG-free. best regards, Erich Schubert -- erich@(vitavonni.de|debian.org)--GPG Key ID: 4B3A135C(o_ Go away or i'll replace you with a very small shell script. //\ Es gibt kein idiotensicheres Programm, weil Idioten so V_/_ genial sind. -- E. Murphy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#321669: enigma: Copyright violation for menu.s3m
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 01:38:29PM +0200, Erich Schubert wrote: Hi, Well, i was just surprised that you listed the second alternative as asking the author to GPL it, instead of asking for a fre elicence, but i believe that in this case, any licence that allows distribution of the music track should be ok, not sure though. Not by the post-sarge requirements AFAICT. Until then I think we allowed files you cannot modify (although mostly due to technical reasons, i.e. firmware) We spoke about documentation, firmware, and other such stuff which you have a reasonable reason to modify, but music for a game ? You are free to take the music and replace it with another, i suppose. We have a licence which allows free distribution along with enigma. This is not debian-specific - so it's fine for re-distributors like ubuntu - but still not DFSG-free. So, what is it you want ? Full redistribution right outside of enigma as well ? Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#321669: enigma: Copyright violation for menu.s3m
Hi, We spoke about documentation, firmware, and other such stuff which you have a reasonable reason to modify, but music for a game ? You are free to take the music and replace it with another, i suppose. This is an s3m, screamtracker file. You can modify it quite easily with so called trackers. We also have one as package: Soundtracker (although I don't know if its does .s3m, the docs only mention .xm and .xi) You could claim that this is a script, i.e. a program, to play music! Anyway, I'm going to upload with the music removed for now. We have a licence which allows free distribution along with enigma. This is not debian-specific - so it's fine for re-distributors like ubuntu - but still not DFSG-free. So, what is it you want ? Full redistribution right outside of enigma as well No, because this is still non-free according to DFSG. We need the public right to modify it in order to meet the DFSG. best regards, Erich Schubert -- erich@(vitavonni.de|debian.org)--GPG Key ID: 4B3A135C(o_ Friends are those who reach out for //\ your hand but touch your heart. V_/_ Unter Freunden ist guter Rat nicht teuer, aber wie alles, was nichts kostet, nur wenig gefragt. --- Robert Muthmann -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#321669: enigma: Copyright violation for menu.s3m
On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 05:35:36PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:34:02 +0200 Sven Luther wrote: Erich, applying the GPL to a documentation is ok, but don't you think you are pushing things a bit hard by applying it to a music file too ? I don't think so. Any work can be released under the GPL, IMHO. You can release it, but it may not be possible for anyone else to distribute it if you don't distribute the prefered form for modification (and anything else that is required for other people to distribute the work.) [Of course, there is an argument that the DFSG requires source anyway, but we'll leave that one aside for now.] Soundtracker (and anything similar) modules such as we're dealing with here, like midi files, are usually their own source. As distinct from mp3 or wav files, which usually aren't. For those who don't know, a module is in essence a midi file with embedded instrument samples. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Rules for submitting licenses for review
** Sean Kellog :: On Saturday 27 August 2005 09:08 am, Ken Arromdee wrote: On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Raul Miller wrote: That said, it looks to me like this license grants you the right to use those game mechanics, including making and distributiong modified versions of them. If you've spotted someplace in this license which prohibits that kind of thing, I'd appreciate it if you could point that out to me. Since game mechanics are not copyrightable, without a license at all you still have the right to use them. Although the license does grant you the right to use them, it grants you that with conditions. Granting you the right to use something under some conditions, when previously you could use it without conditions, is taking away rights, not granting them. Without violating any of my NDA's with Wizards here, I've got to say that they very much believe that game mechanics are copyrightable. The mechanics are a work of authorship put in a tangible form. There are ways around copyright law, like independent invention, that are not available with patent law... but aside from that, you would need a license if you intend to just copy the d20 system (or create a derivative thereof). If you still think that game mechanics are not copyrightable, can you point me to some authority to support your claim. I'd be interested to see how they are distinguished from things like cookbooks (which are copyrighted). -Sean Ok, without consulting 17USC, I can tell you that in Brasil, game mechanics are uncopyrightable *and* unpatentable: i.e., unprotected at all. Let's see, translation mine: Author's Rights Act (Lei 9610/98), art 8: ''' It won't be object of author's rights protection, as described by this Law: [...] II - schemes, plans or rules for performing mental acts, games, or businesses; [...] ''' Industrial Property (*) Act (Lei 9279/96), art 10: ''' It's not considered an invention or utility model (**): [...] VII - gaming rules; [...] ''' -- HTH, Massa -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#321669: enigma: Copyright violation for menu.s3m
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:15:06 +0200 Sven Luther wrote: We spoke about documentation, firmware, and other such stuff which you have a reasonable reason to modify, but music for a game ? You are free to take the music and replace it with another, i suppose. You are always free to take a program and replace it with another one, but that doesn't mean the program is DFSG-free. The same holds for documentation, firmware, and... yes!, music, images, and so forth. -- :-( This Universe is buggy! Where's the Creator's BTS? ;-) .. Francesco Poli GnuPG Key ID = DD6DFCF4 Key fingerprint = C979 F34B 27CE 5CD8 DC12 31B5 78F4 279B DD6D FCF4 pgp6nKZcgOahs.pgp Description: PGP signature
