question about IEEE OUI data

2006-07-24 Thread Filippo Giunchedi
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Hi!,
I'm in the process of creating oui-data from IEEE's OUI public database found
at: http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.shtml

I've asked IEEE about licensing of that file but I've yet to receive an answer,
the database is freely downloadable thus I would assume the file is in the
public domain (perhaps copyright IEEE?).
Anyhow, we have already three packages including oui.txt for various purposes.
(that's why I would like to have it only one in the first place)

comments/ideas? what would be a suitable entry for debian/copyright?

thanks,
filippo
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CircleMUD: licensing issues

2006-07-24 Thread qweo
Hello!Can connoisseurs of DFSG terms tell, is CircleMUD license ( http://www.circlemud.org/license-faq.html ) DFSG-Free, and can i create package with it for main section of Debian archive?
Best regards,qweo.P.S.: Please reply to me directly (my email is mr.qweo at gmail dot com), because i didn't subscribed to Debian lists...


Re: CircleMUD: licensing issues

2006-07-24 Thread Michael Poole
qweo writes:

 Hello!
 
 Can connoisseurs of DFSG terms tell, is CircleMUD license (
 http://www.circlemud.org/license-faq.html ) DFSG-Free, and can i create
 package with it for main section of Debian archive?
 Best regards,qweo.
 P.S.: Please reply to me directly (my email is mr.qweo at gmail dot
 com), because i didn't subscribed to Debian lists...

No.  You must not use CircleMUD to make money or be compensated in
any way. trivially violates DFSG #1 and #6.  The DikuMUD license has
a similar issue and a problematic notification clause (you must send
us a message , by snail-mail or e-mail, and inform us where and when
you are running the game. (remember to include your address, name
etc.)).

Michael Poole


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Re: CircleMUD: licensing issues

2006-07-24 Thread Florent Bayle
Le lundi 24 juillet 2006 21:19, qweo a écrit :
 Hello!

 Can connoisseurs of DFSG terms tell, is CircleMUD license (
 http://www.circlemud.org/license-faq.html ) DFSG-Free, and can i create
 package with it for main section of Debian archive?
 Best regards,qweo.
 P.S.: Please reply to me directly (my email is mr.qweo at gmail dot
 com), because i didn't subscribed to Debian lists...

From the licence : You must not sell CircleMUD., which violate DFSG #1.

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Re: Do our trademarks conflict?

2006-07-24 Thread Raul Miller

A few days ago (22 Jul 2006), Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Any opinion you get from debian-legal is not going to mean a thing to
either a court or a trademark office.  For legal advice in general,
but especially for issues at the level of detail you are talking
about, you need to ask a lawyer if you intend to rely on the advice.


Agreed.


My guess is that a lawyer's first suggestion would be to change your
logo, regardless of whether he or she thought one infringed on the
other, since that is the surest and probably cheapest way to avoid any
dispute.


I'd guess differently.

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Re: question about IEEE OUI data

2006-07-24 Thread Ben Pfaff
Filippo Giunchedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm in the process of creating oui-data from IEEE's OUI public database found
 at: http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.shtml

That file is just a list of numbers and their associations with
owners.  As a collection of facts, it is probably not
copyrightable in the United States, in the same way that a phone
book is not copyrightable.

I wouldn't presume to say anything about other countries, but
that's my guess about the U.S.
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Re: Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-24 Thread Hardy, Allan










The aspect of all this focused on Debian trademark
protection is for the wonderful folks who own the trademark to consider. I think
one point was that business minded folks will probably make some judgments
on use of Debian based on your protection of the trademark, and implied int hat
the quality / reliability of the product. But again not what I wanted to
comment on



I like the distribution requirement discussion. Goswin is
pretty close to being right on. Thanks!!



I assume the package on the DVD is licensed
with GPL



As I understand it, and Ive worked directly with FSF
on this one, here are the basic points:



--If the source is provided on the DVD then thats it!!
No further obligation to provide to anyone else via any other mechanism!



--If the source is not in the distribution, in this case on
the DVD, then there must be an offer for source.

--All offers must be public  meaning redeemable
by anyone, anytime (for 3 years)



(no distribution has to be $ free or by the specific
mechanism of download)





So looking at some comments made:



If any third party *knows* about the existence of
such an offer -- perhaps because they know that Company A licensed some
software to

Company B under the GPL -- could they cite its existence and
thereby claim their right to a machine-readable copy?



Yes  all offers must be public



 You're only required to provide the
source to those who received a written promise from you or anyone who passed on
the written promise.

The GPL does not say that you may not require proof of them
having received the written promise.



Not true all offers must be public.



 The point is that there is nothing
wrong with the mere fact that you cannot download a specific DVD image. After

all, there's nothing wrong with putting the source packages
_on_ that image...



Absolutely correct, if source is in the distribution then
that fulfills the GPL obligation for source



 It is not ok to distribute binary
images and say: You want source? Ask Debian for it. That is what I ment with
distributing only binary

images. Debian does not give a written offer under 3b to be
passed on by distributers under 3c.



For the most part correct. There are circumstances that I
can say go get it from debian  if I have an agreement with
debian to provide such fulfillment for the 3 years. 

I cannot point to another source if I have no control
(agreement) with that source.



Allan