Help with bug #285156 - Non free translation

2006-10-26 Thread Amaya
I have downloaded the latest source from upstream:
http://freshmeat.net/redir/display-dhammapada/41408/url_tgz/display-dhammapada-0.23.tar.gz

The polish translation now states this:

This publication is not copyrighted. One can copy it and use any part
of it with mentioning the source. Publishers ask only for information
about it.

The entire file can be fetched from: 
http://www.amayita.com/debian/1_sponsored/dd/upstream/display-dhammapada-0.23/dhammapada-polish-transl.txt

I have no idea if this solves the issue or if this translation still
needs to be removed.

Thanks for any hints.

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Re: main or contrib?

2006-10-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Are you saying that this is roughly equivlent to something like a firmwae
uploading utility for a proprietory PDA? (That sounds like something that 
could go in main).
I am saying that the driver does not depend on the firmware because
its functionality does not change if the firmware is uploaded or not to
the hardware device. In both situations the driver is the same program,
while e.g. a program depending on a non-free library would not.

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Re: font presents in http://www.webpagepublicity.com

2006-10-26 Thread Clemens Ladisch
Olive wrote:
 The page mentioned in the subject contains high quality fonts. [...]
 
 Digital Font Labs - Copyright (c) , 2000. .. FREEWARE ... Use
 this font at your own free will.
 
 But this seems to beautiful to be true, so does anyone know more about
 this website? Is the above copyright real or forged?

Forged.  Whoever did this forgot to remove Monotype and Microsoft
from the version string.  Apart from the misrepresented authorship, the
font is identical to the arial.ttf shipped with Windows.

Using a trademark owned by Monotype wouldn't be a good idea anyway.


Regards,
Clemens


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Re: main or contrib?

2006-10-26 Thread Ben Finney
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am saying that the driver does not depend on the firmware because
 its functionality does not change if the firmware is uploaded or not to
 the hardware device. In both situations the driver is the same program,

is the same program != functionality does not change

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Re: main or contrib?

2006-10-26 Thread Michael Poole
Ben Finney writes:

 Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am saying that the driver does not depend on the firmware because
 its functionality does not change if the firmware is uploaded or not to
 the hardware device. In both situations the driver is the same program,

 is the same program != functionality does not change

cream cheese != wagon wheel

In other words: So what?  Unlike cases where a program fails to run
due to a missing interpreter, library, or whatever else, the program
still runs and interfaces to the hardware per spec.  If the hardware
fails to perform -- because it the firmware was not loaded, because a
resistor is burnt out, or whatever -- it would be nice to know why
that becomes a policy issue.

Michael Poole


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Re: main or contrib?

2006-10-26 Thread Ben Finney
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Ben Finney writes:
  Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I am saying that the driver does not depend on the firmware
  because its functionality does not change if the firmware is
  uploaded or not to the hardware device. In both situations the
  driver is the same program,
 
  is the same program != functionality does not change

 So what?

Marco is implying that is the same program logically leads to
functionality does not change, and thus if the program is the same
program without the firmware then it does not depend on that
firmware. (If he's not, I can't see how to interpret what he's written
otherwise.)

This is trivially not true: A shell program is the same program if the
shell is changed, but that change can clearly lead to radically
different functionality for the program. It's not true to say that
because the shell program remains the same program, that it doesn't
depend on a particular shell.

Likewise, if a program will behave markedly differently in the absence
of a firmware program, to the point that it becomes useless without
it, it's still the same program; but it still depends on that firmware
program.

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Re: main or contrib?

2006-10-26 Thread Michael Poole
Ben Finney writes:

 Likewise, if a program will behave markedly differently in the absence
 of a firmware program, to the point that it becomes useless without
 it, it's still the same program; but it still depends on that firmware
 program.

Various programs in main behave markedly different in the absence of
certain proprietary network server software -- IM client programs come
to mind.  Do those bits need to be removed from main?

Michael Poole


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Re: main or contrib?

2006-10-26 Thread Ben Finney
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Ben Finney writes:
  Likewise, if a program will behave markedly differently in the
  absence of a firmware program, to the point that it becomes
  useless without it, it's still the same program; but it still
  depends on that firmware program.

 Various programs in main behave markedly different in the absence of
 certain proprietary network server software -- IM client programs
 come to mind.  Do those bits need to be removed from main?

That's the debate. I was merely addressing the flawed logic of
implying that is the same program gives does not depend on the
firmware.

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Re: main or contrib?

2006-10-26 Thread Michael Poole
Ben Finney writes:

 Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Ben Finney writes:
  Likewise, if a program will behave markedly differently in the
  absence of a firmware program, to the point that it becomes
  useless without it, it's still the same program; but it still
  depends on that firmware program.

 Various programs in main behave markedly different in the absence of
 certain proprietary network server software -- IM client programs
 come to mind.  Do those bits need to be removed from main?

 That's the debate. I was merely addressing the flawed logic of
 implying that is the same program gives does not depend on the
 firmware.

It is also flawed to say it does not behave usefully in the absence
of other software X implies depends on that software.

Under that test, most (all?) bootloaders belong in contrib.  Likewise
many printer drivers, libgpod, gsm-utils, flexloader, and probably a
huge number of other hardware interface packages.

Michael Poole


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