Re: Are Web-API packages need to be in the 'main' repo ?

2011-12-19 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Alexey Eromenko, 2011-12-18 17:24+0100:
 Let me tell you about the risks we face, we non-free, web-dependent
 software stays in 'main' repo:
 
 1. More FOSS developers will use it for derivative works
 (KDE/GNOME-facebook login)
 2. One day it will become mandatory to even login into your desktop
 (Google OS is clearly moving in this direction)
 
 I would like to avoid such fate.

I mostly agree, but I was only replying to what I saw as a misuse of the
desert island test.

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Re: Unsure If Array 30 Chinese Input Method is DFSG Free or Not.

2011-12-19 Thread MJ Ray
Yao Wei (魏銘廷) m...@lxde.org
 I want to confirm if the license below is DFSG free or not:
 http://www.array.com.tw/company/array_license.pdf
 
 The most suspicious part is:
 When any derived and related work of Array Input Method is released to
 public, the licensee must inform the original author of Array Input
 Method within one month by sending an e-mail to:
 arra...@ms10.hinet.net with the subject: Informing: Array Input
 Method.

The freedom to share one's changes freely under the same terms as the
original is essential (DFSG 1+3), so that must looks to me like a
fairly classic case of postcardware.  I don't believe that has ever
been regarded as acceptable under DFSG.  See, for example,
http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html#weird_clauses and
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/01/msg00010.html

 There was a chat in #debian-mentors which claims it has discrimination
 on users who don't use email. I've found it may not pass dissident
 test (the user must send an email to the original author, thus
 dissident may expose its email). However, I am wondering if the
 desert island test is not a *public* environment. IMHO, it is not
 necessary to inform the author in that environment in that extreme
 case.

I have no way of knowing if the original licensor would agree with
that, but regardless of the tests, I feel that this software does not
appear to meet DFSGs 1 and 3.

I second the suggestion of Paul Wise: asking for a well-known free
software licence would be worthwhile.

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Re: Unsure If Array 30 Chinese Input Method is DFSG Free or Not.

2011-12-19 Thread 魏銘廷
The postcard part is removed just today.
Could you help me reconfirm this license?

http://www.array.com.tw/company/array_license.pdf

Though I am not sure if the author wants to adopt a well-known
license, if it is DFSG free, at least packages including array input
method could be kept in main.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Christofer C. Bell
christofer.c.b...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Yao Wei (魏銘廷) m...@lxde.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I want to confirm if the license below is DFSG free or not:
 http://www.array.com.tw/company/array_license.pdf

 The most suspicious part is:
 When any derived and related work of Array Input Method is released to
 public, the licensee must inform the original author of Array Input
 Method within one month by sending an e-mail to:
 arra...@ms10.hinet.net with the subject: Informing: Array Input
 Method.



 This is postcardware (when modified) and absolutely fails the Desert Island
 Test.  It is not DSFG free for this reason.

 IANAL, TINLA, yatta, yatta.

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