Re: EPSG data reviewing in progress
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:18:22 +0200 Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 10:14:35AM +, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Hi Maintainer, > > > > i dont think the EPSG tables license is free, so the dataset cant go > > into Debian main. Its a "dont modify, non-commercial only" license > > and a simple conversion into a different format doesnt change the > > license of the dataset used. > > > > Thanks to Frank Warmerdam and OSGEO, EPSG folks is now available > to revise the licensing terms of their data. A preview of a new > license is currently available on > > http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/RevisedEPSGLicense > > and a discussion about the terms of the license in order to have > those data if possible embedded in a program for main is viable. > > > CONTEXT: EPSG data are geodetic parameters, largerly used for GIS > apps. [...] For future reference, I'm quoting the preview of the new license below. EPSG dataset Terms of use, revised 22/03/2007 (proposed - not adopted!) The EPSG geodetic parameter dataset is owned jointly and severally by the members of the Surveying and Positioning Committee of the International Association of Oil and Gas Producers (OGP), formerly the European Petroleum Survey Group (EPSG). It is compiled by the Geodetic Subcommittee of the OGP from publicly available and member-supplied information and distributed at no charge through the internet. The user assumes the entire risk as to the accuracy and the use of this data. The data may be used, copied and distributed subject to the following conditions: 1. INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND/OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 2. The data may be included in any commercial package provided that any commerciality is based on value added by the provider and not on a value ascribed to the EPSG dataset which is made available at no charge. The ownership of the EPSG dataset [OGP] must be acknowledged. 3. Subsets of information may be extracted from the dataset. Users are advised that coordinate reference system and coordinate transformation descriptions are incomplete unless all elements detailed as essential in OGP Surveying and Positioning Guidance Note 7-1 annex F are included. 4. Essental elements should preferably be reproduced as described in the dataset. Modification of parameter values is permitted as described in OGP Surveying and Positioning Guidance Note 7-1 annex G to allow change to the content of the information provided that numeric equivalence is achieved. Numeric equivalence refers to the results of geodetic calculations in which the parameters are used, for example (i) conversion of ellipsoid defining parameters, or (ii) conversion of parameters between one and two standard parallel projection methods, or (iii) conversion of parameters between 7-parameter geocentric transformation methods 5. No data that has been modified other than as permitted in these terms and conditions shall be attributed to the EPSG dataset. -- http://frx.netsons.org/doc/nanodocs/testing_workstation_install.html Need to read a Debian testing installation walk-through? . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == C979 F34B 27CE 5CD8 DC12 31B5 78F4 279B DD6D FCF4 pgp2Z17ukoixv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: EPSG data reviewing in progress
I don't know if this conversation is supposed to happen elsewhere, or perhaps with a smaller CC list, but: Francesco Poli wrote: EPSG dataset Terms of use, revised 22/03/2007 (proposed - not adopted!) The EPSG geodetic parameter dataset is owned jointly and severally by the members of the Surveying and Positioning Committee of the International Association of Oil and Gas Producers (OGP), formerly the European Petroleum Survey Group (EPSG). It is compiled by the Geodetic Subcommittee of the OGP from publicly available and member-supplied information and distributed at no charge through the internet. The user assumes the entire risk as to the accuracy and the use of this data. The data may be used, copied and distributed subject to the following conditions: 1. INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND/OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 2. The data may be included in any commercial package provided that any commerciality is based on value added by the provider and not on a value ascribed to the EPSG dataset which is made available at no charge. The ownership of the EPSG dataset [OGP] must be acknowledged. This is non-free :-( But they shouldn't be concerned about people selling it standalone; the customers will soon realise they've been duped, and bang goes that business relationship. 3. Subsets of information may be extracted from the dataset. Users are advised that coordinate reference system and coordinate transformation descriptions are incomplete unless all elements detailed as essential in OGP Surveying and Positioning Guidance Note 7-1 annex F are included. This second sentence, while not non-free, should not be part of the license terms, as it is not related to the license. 4. Essental elements should preferably be reproduced as described in the dataset. Modification of parameter values is permitted as described in OGP Surveying and Positioning Guidance Note 7-1 annex G to allow change to the content of the information provided that numeric equivalence is achieved. Numeric equivalence refers to the results of geodetic calculations in which the parameters are used, for example (i) conversion of ellipsoid defining parameters, or (ii) conversion of parameters between one and two standard parallel projection methods, or (iii) conversion of parameters between 7-parameter geocentric transformation methods 5. No data that has been modified other than as permitted in these terms and conditions shall be attributed to the EPSG dataset. This leaves open the question "If I don't attribute the data to EPSG, can I modify it in ways other than stated in this licence?". This is ambiguous. What does "preferably" mean, legally? Do I have to or don't I? I suggest reframing 4 and 5 something like this: 4. You may copy, modify and/or distribute this data for any purpose. Modified data sets may not be attributed to EPSG unless parameter values are only modified as described in OGP Surveying and Positioning Guidance Note 7-1 annex G, and numeric equivalence is achieved. Numeric equivalence refers to the results of geodetic calculations in which the parameters are used, for example (i) conversion of ellipsoid defining parameters, or (ii) conversion of parameters between one and two standard parallel projection methods, or (iii) conversion of parameters between 7-parameter geocentric transformation methods. Gerv -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EPSG data reviewing in progress
On Tue, 15 May 2007 23:53:48 +0200 Francesco Poli wrote: [...] > EPSG dataset > > Terms of use, revised 22/03/2007 (proposed - not adopted!) [...] > The data may be used, copied and distributed subject to > the following conditions: No permission to modify: fails DFSG#3. [...] > 2. The data may be included in any commercial package provided that > any commerciality is based on value added by the provider and not > on a value ascribed to the EPSG dataset which is made available > at no charge. Maybe acceptable, because DFSG#1 only requires permission to sell *inside an aggregate*. But very close to the non-free boundary, anyway. [...] > 3. Subsets of information may be extracted from the dataset. This is not enough to satisfy DFSG#3. [...] > 4. [...] Modification of parameter values is permitted as > described in OGP Surveying and Positioning Guidance Note 7-1 > annex G to allow change to the content of the information > provided that numeric equivalence is achieved. [...] Highly restricted permission to modify: not enough to satisfy DFSG#3. > 5. No data that has been modified other than as permitted in these > terms and conditions shall be attributed to the EPSG dataset. What does this mean? Am I allowed to modify data the way I like, *as long as I do not attribute them to the EPSG dataset* ?!? This is ambiguous, and should _really_ be clarified. -- http://frx.netsons.org/doc/nanodocs/testing_workstation_install.html Need to read a Debian testing installation walk-through? . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == C979 F34B 27CE 5CD8 DC12 31B5 78F4 279B DD6D FCF4 pgpKj4v2D3T5a.pgp Description: PGP signature
EPSG data reviewing in progress [was Re: libgeotiff_1.2.3-1_i386.changes REJECTED]
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 10:14:35AM +, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Hi Maintainer, > > i dont think the EPSG tables license is free, so the dataset cant go into > Debian main. Its a "dont modify, non-commercial only" license and a simple > conversion into a different format doesnt change the license of the dataset > used. > Thanks to Frank Warmerdam and OSGEO, EPSG folks is now available to revise the licensing terms of their data. A preview of a new license is currently available on http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/RevisedEPSGLicense and a discussion about the terms of the license in order to have those data if possible embedded in a program for main is viable. CONTEXT: EPSG data are geodetic parameters, largerly used for GIS apps. Current terms are http://www.epsg.org/CurrentDB.html#use libgeotiff copyright file is as follows: -- License: All the source code in this toolkit are either in the public domain, or under an X style license. In any event it is all considered to be free to use for any purpose (including commercial software). No credit is required though some of the code requires that the specific source code modules retain their existing copyright statements. The CSV files, and other tables derived from the EPSG coordinate system database are also free to use. In particular, no part of this code is "copyleft", nor does it imply any requirement for users to disclose this or their own source code. All components not carrying their own copyright message, but distributed with libgeotiff should be considered to be under the same license as Niles' code. - Code by Frank Warmerdam has this copyright notice (directly copied from X Consortium licence): * Copyright (c) 1999, Frank Warmerdam * * Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a * copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), * to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation * the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, * and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the * Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: * * The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included * in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. * * THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS * OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, * FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL * THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER * LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING * FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER * DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE. --- Code by Niles Ritter is under this licence: *Written By: Niles D. Ritter. * * copyright (c) 1995 Niles D. Ritter * * Permission granted to use this software, so long as this copyright * notice accompanies any products derived therefrom. --- The EPSG Tables (from which the CSV files, and .inc files are derived) carried this statement on use of the data (from the EPSG web site at url http://www.epsg.org/): Use of the Data 1. All data pertinent to a specific coordinate reference system must be copied without modification and all related pages/records must be included; 2. All components of this data set pertinent to any given coordinate reference system must be distributed together (complete distribution of all components of the data set is preferred, but the OGP recognises the need for a more limited distribution); 3. The data may not be distributed for profit by any third party; and 4. The original source [OGP] must be acknowledged. The user assumes the entire risk as to the accuracy and the use of this data. The data may be copied and distributed subject to the following conditions: INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND/OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. With regard to (3) above, the data may be included within proprietary applications distributed on a commercial basis when the commerciality is based on application functionality and not on a value ascribed to the freely-distributed EPSG dataset. These conditions are currently under review. --- -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
