Re: Non-US definition

2002-07-11 Thread Matt Kraai
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Matt Kraai wrote:
> >  * it contains cryptographic program code which needed to be
> >stored on a non-US server because of United States export
> >restrictions, or
> 
> This is no longer true.

Uh, I agree that such packages no longer need to be in a non-US
section.  But this is the reason why the majority of such
packages are there now, right (note the reason says `needed',
not `need')?

> >  * it contains program code which needs to be stored on a non-US
> >server because of United States patents.
> 
> This is.

What does this mean for users, ftp mirrors, and CD distributors
in the United States?  Can they legally use, mirror, or
distribute such software therein?

I also thought of another potential reason:

 * it contains program code which needs to be stored on a non-US
   server because of the DMCA.

Are any packages in a non-US section for this reason?  If not,
are such packages allowed?

Matt


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Re: Non-US definition

2002-07-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 12:26:20PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Matt Kraai wrote:
> >  * it contains cryptographic program code which needed to be
> >stored on a non-US server because of United States export
> >restrictions, or

> This is no longer true.

It is true for non-US/non-free.  The exception that allows us to
distribute cryptographic software from US mirrors does not extend to
all software, and it's possible that some software whose license permits
redistribution via non-free is not covered under this export exemption.
I have seen no official endorsement given of merging non-US/non-free
into the principal Debian mirror network.

Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer


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Re: Non-US definition

2002-07-11 Thread Sunnanvind Fenderson
Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Previously Matt Kraai wrote:
> >  * it contains cryptographic program code which needed to be
> >stored on a non-US server because of United States export
> >restrictions, or
> 
> This is no longer true.

So how should people in like, France, act with regard to crypto? (I
guess the answer is "check on a package-by-package basis".)


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Re: Non-US definition

2002-07-11 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Matt Kraai wrote:
>  * it contains cryptographic program code which needed to be
>stored on a non-US server because of United States export
>restrictions, or

This is no longer true.

>  * it contains program code which needs to be stored on a non-US
>server because of United States patents.

This is.

Wichert.

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Re: Non-US definition

2002-07-09 Thread Matt Kraai
[I posted a similar message in late April, but since no one has
responded, and I think this is an important issue, I'll try
raising it again.  If I'm missing something obvious, please let
me know so I don't continue to make a fool of myself.]

Howdy,

I believe there are two possible reasons for a package to be in
a non-US section:

 * it contains cryptographic program code which needed to be
   stored on a non-US server because of United States export
   restrictions, or

 * it contains program code which needs to be stored on a non-US
   server because of United States patents.

Are these correct?  Am I missing any reasons?

Matt


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Non-US definition

2002-04-24 Thread Matt Kraai
Howdy,

The package information page[1] contains the following
description of the Non-US section:

 Non-US/Main and Non-US/Non-Free
  These packages cannot be exported from the USA, they are
  mostly encryption software packages, or software that is
  encumbered by patent issues.  Most of them are free, but some
  are non-free.

The CD FAQ[2] contains the following description:

 There are two variants of the binary-1 CD, one with and one
 without software of the "non-US" category.  Non-US software may
 be imported into the US without problems, but exporting it from
 the US is forbidden by law (it contains strong cryptographic
 code).

I suppose both of these will need to be updated once the
crypto-in-main transition is complete.

I am primarily concerned with the status of patent-encumbered
software, however.  May it be distributed within the USA?  How
does this avoid the patent problems?

Matt

1. http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
2. http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/


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