Re: celestia and JPL license
On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 09:32:27AM -0400, Joe Smith wrote: Hi Thanks a lot for the information which has been collected in this thread. Has anybody sought clarification from JPL about the case where standard media credit lines do not apply? I tried to contact JPL because of the problem but I never got any response :(. My guess is that they would simply request that if used in software the line 'Some images courtesy NASA/JPL-Caltech.' Be shown along with copyright notices. This would include 'about' screens. This is how I understand the license. From what I've read in this thread I guess that such a requirement would not prevent the software from being DSFG free. Furthermore, some people said that JPL is not even allowed to request such a credit line. Unfortunately, I still don't know what to do. From my understanding of the license and the additional information I got in this thread, I don't think that it is a problem to use the images. So I would like to close the bug, but on the other hand I don't know if that what has been discussed here is enough to make sure the package is DSFG-free. And I don't want to be flamed down because of a wrong decision... Best regards Mathias Weyland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: celestia and JPL license
Mathias Weyland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Some time ago I adopted the celestia package. The package contains textures which seem not to be DFSG free. (see bug #174456). It looks like the main problem is the NASA's JPL license[1]. I have two options now: Either I replace those textures by DFSG-free ones, or I move the package to non-free. I'm trying to find suitable textures for the first option, but unfortunately, I don't understand what makes the JPL policy DSFG-nonfree :( I have to know this because I don't want to replace non-free textures with new textures which are non-free as well. Best regards Mathias Weyland Has anybody sought clarification from JPL about the case where standard media credit lines do not apply? My guess is that they would simply request that if used in software the line 'Some images courtesy NASA/JPL-Caltech.' Be shown along with copyright notices. This would include 'about' screens. The purpose for the licence seems to be reciving credit for the images. If such clarification can be recived then (unless people really have a problem with the 'descrimitation' against JPL-Caltech employees using the images in Adverts or PR), the images can be kept. [1] http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/policy/index.cfm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: celestia and JPL license
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 05:49:46PM +0100, Lewis Jardine wrote: If the clause were demanding that attribution go right next to the use of the image, this would be non-free, right? Yes, constraints on the *manner* in which you credit somebody are generally non-free. Licenses that merely require you credit the author in some reasonable manner *of your own choice* are generally free. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
celestia and JPL license
Hi Some time ago I adopted the celestia package. The package contains textures which seem not to be DFSG free. (see bug #174456). It looks like the main problem is the NASA's JPL license[1]. I have two options now: Either I replace those textures by DFSG-free ones, or I move the package to non-free. I'm trying to find suitable textures for the first option, but unfortunately, I don't understand what makes the JPL policy DSFG-nonfree :( I have to know this because I don't want to replace non-free textures with new textures which are non-free as well. Best regards Mathias Weyland [1] http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/policy/index.cfm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: celestia and JPL license
Scripsit Mathias Weyland [EMAIL PROTECTED] It looks like the main problem is the NASA's JPL license[1]. [1] http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/policy/index.cfm Hm, wouldn't the material ostensibly under that license generally fall under the U.S. government work copyright exclusion? -- Henning Makholm Monarki, er ikke noget materielt ... Borger! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: celestia and JPL license
Mathias Weyland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some time ago I adopted the celestia package. The package contains textures which seem not to be DFSG free. (see bug #174456). It looks like the main problem is the NASA's JPL license[1]. I have two options now: Either I replace those textures by DFSG-free ones, or I move the package to non-free. I'm trying to find suitable textures for the first option, but unfortunately, I don't understand what makes the JPL policy DSFG-nonfree :( The policy looks different to the one on the bug log. It looks like the current one only discriminates against JPL/Caltech contractors. Hopefully they'll be agreeable to making that specific to only photos, exclude textures, or something. 1. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/policy/index.cfm Hope that helps, -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: celestia and JPL license
Mathias Weyland wrote: I don't understand what makes the JPL policy DSFG-nonfree :( I'm guessing 'By electing to download the material from this web site the user agrees: ... 2. to use a credit line in connection with images.' is a restriction on modification (DFSG #3). If the pictures are a work by the US government, then the JPL does not have the authority to demand this[1]; the images would actually be public domain and therefore Free. The terms in the contract/license of the website don't hamper redistribution of the images, because (not being copyrighted) you don't need JPL's permission to copy them. [1] - http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#piu -- Lewis Jardine IANAL, IANADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: celestia and JPL license
I'm guessing 'By electing to download the material from this web site the user agrees: ... 2. to use a credit line in connection with images.' is a restriction on modification (DFSG #3). I don't think a credit line is enough to trigger DFSG#3, because it would fall under proper attribution of copyright IMHO. -- HTH, Massa -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: celestia and JPL license
Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: I don't think a credit line is enough to trigger DFSG#3, because it would fall under proper attribution of copyright IMHO. Maybe I'm misreading this, but the license seems to suggest that it has to be included as part of the image, not just in the documentation? For example, if you were to use one of their picures of Mars in your virtual planetatium, you'd have to put the text 'Courtesy NASA/JPL-Caltech' not in the documentation, but hovering in space below Mars. I think I may be interpreting this clause wrong, though: there seems to be an even split between websites that do this and websites that roll it up into one credit at the bottom. If the clause were demanding that attribution go right next to the use of the image, this would be non-free, right? -- Lewis Jardine IANAL, IANADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
