Re: need sponsorship for sphinx
Raul Miller wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 07:16:40PM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote: i was going by the Open Source Definition (www.opensource.org/osd.html). i wonder why the debian definition is different. Because when the open-source definition was originally being defined some changes were introduced so it wouldn't be the same as the debian definition. Could you be more specific? I have been unable to find any change except a name change. -- see shy jo, in New York
Re: need sponsorship for sphinx
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 06:23:05PM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote: excuse me, i meant part 4 of the license. part 3 is fine. From section 4 of the DFSG: The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software. Here's part 4 of the Sphinx license: * 4. Products derived from this software may not be called Sphinx *nor may Sphinx appear in their names without prior written *permission of Carnegie Mellon University. To obtain permission, *contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks all right to me. -- Raul
Re: need sponsorship for sphinx
i was going by the Open Source Definition (www.opensource.org/osd.html). i wonder why the debian definition is different. -- (jacob kuntz)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED],underworld}.net (megabite systems) think free speech, not free beer. (gnu foundataion)
Re: need sponsorship for sphinx
doh. i'd like to withdraw my foolish post from earlier this afternoon. i need to read more slowly. i wonder if anyone is still willing to sponsor me after that goof. -- (jacob kuntz)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED],underworld}.net (megabite systems) think free speech, not free beer. (gnu foundataion)
Re: need sponsorship for sphinx
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 07:16:40PM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote: i was going by the Open Source Definition (www.opensource.org/osd.html). i wonder why the debian definition is different. the dfsg and the ossd are nearly exactly the same. In fact, upon perusing the OSSD I came across the following: 4. [...] The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software You must have misread it.
Re: need sponsorship for sphinx
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 07:16:40PM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote: i was going by the Open Source Definition (www.opensource.org/osd.html). i wonder why the debian definition is different. Because when the open-source definition was originally being defined some changes were introduced so it wouldn't be the same as the debian definition. -- Raul
Re: need sponsorship for sphinx
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 05:28:02PM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote: i'm sure many of you noticed the release of CMU's Speech to Text as 'Open Source' today on slashdot. after carefull inspection of the license, i found that it isn't exactly free. What isn't free about it? /* * Copyright (c) 2000 Carnegie Mellon University. All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright *notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright *notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in *the documentation and/or other materials provided with the *distribution. * * 3. The names Sphinx and Carnegie Mellon must not be used to *endorse or promote products derived from this software without *prior written permission. To obtain permission, contact *[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * 4. Products derived from this software may not be called Sphinx *nor may Sphinx appear in their names without prior written *permission of Carnegie Mellon University. To obtain permission, *contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * 5. Redistributions of any form whatsoever must retain the following *acknowledgment: *This product includes software developed by Carnegie *Mellon University (http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/). * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY ``AS IS'' AND * ANY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, * THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR * PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY * NOR ITS EMPLOYEES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, * SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT * LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, * DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY * THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT * (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE * OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. * * * */ As far as I can see, it complies with the DFSG - looks like standard BSD-type fare. Comments?
Re: need sponsorship for sphinx
Joe Drew ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 05:28:02PM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote: i'm sure many of you noticed the release of CMU's Speech to Text as 'Open Source' today on slashdot. after carefull inspection of the license, i found that it isn't exactly free. What isn't free about it? [lines pruned] As far as I can see, it complies with the DFSG - looks like standard BSD-type fare. Comments? see part 3, derived works. that violates the open source guidelines. that doesn't mean i'm not brimming with glee that we have access to it of course. -- (jacob kuntz)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED],underworld}.net (megabite systems) think free speech, not free beer. (gnu foundataion)
Re: need sponsorship for sphinx
excuse me, i meant part 4 of the license. part 3 is fine. -- (jacob kuntz)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED],underworld}.net (megabite systems) think free speech, not free beer. (gnu foundataion)
Re: need sponsorship for sphinx
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 06:06:24PM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote: As far as I can see, it complies with the DFSG - looks like standard BSD-type fare. Comments? see part 3, derived works. that violates the open source guidelines. that doesn't mean i'm not brimming with glee that we have access to it of course. * 3. The names Sphinx and Carnegie Mellon must not be used to *endorse or promote products derived from this software without *prior written permission. To obtain permission, contact *[EMAIL PROTECTED] cf. BSD license: 4. The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission. BSD is DFSG-free - how is the Sphinx license not?
