Re: improving https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development

2019-05-16 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 08:43:46PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Re: Holger Levsen 2019-05-16 <20190516183802.uryz4rr7enuwp...@layer-acht.org>
> > > Or should we focus on a way to announce process
> > > changes once every other year?
> > a mail to d-d-a with subject 'bits from the lts team' with these and other
> > changes would probably be a good idea.
> A single mail with "please update the webpages" would be (have been)
> enough. I guess the other bits don't change that much.

the problem is whom to mail. d-d-a I think is excessive for this single
bit of information and mailing and... voila, I've added this to
https://wiki.debian.org/DeveloperNews?action=recall=598 now. Further
improvements to that text welcome.

> Thanks for the Wiki updates!

thanks for your feedback!


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Re: improving https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development

2019-05-16 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Holger Levsen 2019-05-16 <20190516183802.uryz4rr7enuwp...@layer-acht.org>
> > Or should we focus on a way to announce process
> > changes once every other year?
> 
> a mail to d-d-a with subject 'bits from the lts team' with these and other
> changes would probably be a good idea.

A single mail with "please update the webpages" would be (have been)
enough. I guess the other bits don't change that much.

Thanks for the Wiki updates!

Christoph



Re: improving https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development

2019-05-16 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 10:56:24AM +0200, Sylvain Beucler wrote:
> On 16/05/2019 09:40, Christoph Berg wrote:
> >> (and link to that TLDR page promininently from our other pages?)
> > I'd recommend keeping that on the same page, or they will diverge.

I've done this now: see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development

> I personally like the page the way it is.

TIMTOWTDY! ;)

> Though if we want a TLDR we can easily add another "checklist" section
> like we did for the Front-Desk duties:
> https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development#Checklist
> at the end of the packaging section.

thats basically what I've done too..

> Note that the root issue is missing the "please also update webml" step.

yes. I think the above change addresses this.

> People who missed this are doing DLAs occasionally (there are countless
> mails about it on the mailing list). Would they remember to check
> documentation anyway?

most non regular contributors look up the documentation to see how it's
done.

> Or should we focus on a way to announce process
> changes once every other year?

a mail to d-d-a with subject 'bits from the lts team' with these and other
changes would probably be a good idea.

> Or should we simply notify people
> individually like Holger just did? :)

that also.


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RFT: Linux 3.16.67 + MDS package

2019-05-16 Thread Ben Hutchings
I uploaded a snapshot of the jessie-security branch of linux, with the
version 3.16.67-1~git20190515.c3fb32c, to people.debian.org:

https://people.debian.org/~benh/packages/jessie-security/

There are source and binaries for amd64 and i386, along with a signed
.changes file.

This includes stable updates up to 3.16.67 plus a backport of MDS
mitigations to 3.16 which will be in 3.16.68.

Let me know if you find any regressions from the current released
version (3.16.64-2).

Ben.

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Re: improving https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development

2019-05-16 Thread Sylvain Beucler
Hi,

On 16/05/2019 09:40, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Re: Holger Levsen 2019-05-15 <20190515130831.qcgsaiig3bh3b...@layer-acht.org>
>> Should we maybe put just this on a page called 
>> https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development/TLDR
>> which then people can look at when they occasionally do a DLA?
>>
>> (and link to that TLDR page promininently from our other pages?)
> I'd recommend keeping that on the same page, or they will diverge.

I personally like the page the way it is.

Though if we want a TLDR we can easily add another "checklist" section
like we did for the Front-Desk duties:
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development#Checklist
at the end of the packaging section.

Note that the root issue is missing the "please also update webml" step.
People who missed this are doing DLAs occasionally (there are countless
mails about it on the mailing list). Would they remember to check
documentation anyway? Or should we focus on a way to announce process
changes once every other year? Or should we simply notify people
individually like Holger just did? :)

- Sylvain



Re: improving https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development

2019-05-16 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Holger Levsen 2019-05-15 <20190515130831.qcgsaiig3bh3b...@layer-acht.org>
> Should we maybe put just this on a page called 
> https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development/TLDR
> which then people can look at when they occasionally do a DLA?
> 
> (and link to that TLDR page promininently from our other pages?)

I'd recommend keeping that on the same page, or they will diverge.

Christoph