Re: Archive of squeeze-lts ?

2016-03-24 Thread Johnathon Tinsley


I'm seeing this when trying to fetch lts packages from
archive.debian.org at the moment. Anyone know a good contact for them?

E: Release file expired, ignoring
http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/Release (invalid
since 9d 1h 10min 4s)

Thats expected and won't change. Time to upgrade.



So.. you're dumping all of the work the squeeze-lts team did, rather 
than archiving it?  How is that fair on the contributors, or the sponsors?


Assuming someone *has* to use squeeze for some reason, this'll give them 
that many more security vulnerabilities over just even the old 
squeeze-lts archive?




Re: Preparing to announce Squeeze LTS end-of-life

2016-02-09 Thread Johnathon Tinsley



But I believe that
Ben sort of officially declared end of support for the squeeze kernel
already.

[...]
"Debian 6.0 Long Term Support has now ended, and the 'linux-2.6' source
package will no longer be updated.  This bug is being closed on the
assumption that it does not affect the kernel versions in newer Debian
releases.
[...]"



I've started to draft the announce to be consistent with this. But I
think there is a problem with the imprecise date (February 2016) on the
wiki. Some of us, and more important, some users may thought it was at
the end of the month.



I'd definitely agree with this. I, as a user, expected a formal notice 
of end of support, rather than a quiet whimper into support end. Finding 
out LTS ended officially 3 days ago after-the-fact is.. unpleasant.


The wiki still states "Debian 6 “Squeeze” until February 2016", which 
means I expected a fixed date to be announced soon, rather than just 
hearing "eh, done now" sentiments on a mailing list.


Regards,
Johnathon



Re: Any ideas on whether or not a Wheezy LTS will happen or not

2015-04-11 Thread Johnathon Tinsley

>>
>> On Montag, 30. März 2015, Michael Banck wrote:
>>> Please keep in mind that wheezy will get regular maintenance for one
>>> year after the jessie release, so the question whether there will be a
>>> wheezy-lts or not is not imminent.
>>
>> while I agree that the question is not imminent, I do think this question
>> should be answered sooner, eg. it would be good to decide on _jessie_ LTS
>> _now_, as it's an important factor when deciding whether to deploy jessie
>> soon, whether it will have 2 or 5 years security support.
>>
>> That's said, I dont know how to "properly" decide this now and I also have no
>> idea how to guarantee that we'll keep this promise unless by proving we'll do
>> so, by doing so. Basically just like we release a new Debian version roughly
>> every 22 months since 10 years, even though this also not guaranteed.
>>
>> So my current answer to the question about Wheezy or Jessie LTS is: "I have 
>> no
>> idea, but given Squeeze's LTS success, I think it's very likely we'll have
>> Wheezy + Jessie LTS. Please support Squeeze LTS and/or express your
>> appreciation / usage to make it happen."
> I think skipping Wheezy and providing Jessie LTS would give users
> almost the same support coverage but with less effort. How about
> deciding on Jessie LTS first and if there is still demand for Wheezy
> LTS considering it later?
> Is there any clear indication of what our (potential) LTS users
> (funders) prefer?
> 


One of the biggest benefits the LTS has given me, as a webhost tech, is more 
breathing room in the upgrade cycles. It's far less hectic trying to get every 
varied system upgraded a notch, especially as each upgrade comes with its own 
set of minor headaches. Squeeze -> Wheezy is a relativity smooth upgrade, but 
there are a few gotchas, including for example dovecot & varnish upgrades which 
require config file updates. 

Wheezy -> Jessie is looking to be a rougher upgrade, including the major init 
system change, major Puppet upgrade (2.7 -> 3.7, config updates required), 
varnish upgrade (3.0.2 -> 4.0.2, config upgrades required) and apache going to 
2.4, which works the entire auth system in Apache, and includes some minor 
changes in RewriteEngine handling. 

Personally, having the time to slowly work through these problems on a 
case-by-case basis is invaluable, not having wheezy LTS support for the greater 
breathing room it provides would not be pleasant.

Johnathon


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