Re: New list: lts-do-call-me
Hi Bill, Am 26.07.19 um 20:12 schrieb Bill Blough: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:26:56AM -0300, Markus Koschany wrote: >> >> lts-do-call-me contains all maintainers and/or source >> packages that should be handled by the maintainer. Please contact all >> maintainers in this list before starting to work on the package. There >> are some other maintainers who regularly provide updates themselves, >> please update the list as needed and share any information you have. >> > > Hi, > > Please add me (bbough@d.o) to lts-do-call me, as I would be happy to > assist with LTS updates on the packages I maintain. Done. Thanks for contacting us! Best, Markus signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New list: lts-do-call-me
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:26:56AM -0300, Markus Koschany wrote: > > lts-do-call-me contains all maintainers and/or source > packages that should be handled by the maintainer. Please contact all > maintainers in this list before starting to work on the package. There > are some other maintainers who regularly provide updates themselves, > please update the list as needed and share any information you have. > Hi, Please add me (bbough@d.o) to lts-do-call me, as I would be happy to assist with LTS updates on the packages I maintain. Best regards, Bill -- GPG: 5CDD 0C9C F446 BC1B 2509 8791 1762 E022 7034 CF84 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: New list: lts-do-call-me
Hello Sylvain, Am 17.07.19 um 12:56 schrieb Sylvain Beucler: [...] > Would you be so kind as to update the wiki > https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development > to clarify what front-desk needs to do / not to do? I have updated the paragraph about "Contact the maintainer". > I'm not sure what the workflow is (notify maintainer and add to > dla-needed.txt stating so? not add to dla-needed until maintainer acked? > also how to detect when a package maintainer changed and hence > lts-do-call-me needs to be updated / new maintainer asked for their > preference?). Just add the package to dla-needed.txt together with a note that documents when you contacted the maintainer. Then wait for a response and act accordingly, either by updating the note with new information or by removing the package again, if the maintainer feels no update is required. If the maintainer changed then we have to ask the new maintainer for his/her preferences again. Detecting maintainers who want to be added to lts-do-call-me is indeed quite difficult. We want to avoid to send out emails to all maintainers again. But there are only very few who want to be added to this list anyway, so it is more a matter of instincts, tact and common sense and often they will contact us anyway. > Last, do we drop 'lts-do-no-call'? I suggest to keep it, just to make sure that we never contact those maintainers by accident. Regards, Markus signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New list: lts-do-call-me
Hi I do not think we should drop the lts-do-no-call. It is useful to have to know which ones to not contact. The lte-do-call is also useful since there are some maintainers that really want to maintain also the oldstable branches without us interfering. The ones not mentioned in any of them should usually be contacted but sometimes we are in a rush or the fix is trivial so it is not worth the effort. I guess that should be up to front desk to decide. We also have the situation where we add it to dla-needed and someone happen to fix it before the maintainer have been contacted. That have happended a few times when I have been front desk simply because I had to stop working due to interruption in the middle of the work. // Ola On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 17:56, Sylvain Beucler wrote: > Hi Markus, > > On 17/07/2019 17:16, Markus Koschany wrote: > > Am 17.07.19 um 16:46 schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez: > >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:26:56AM -0300, Markus Koschany wrote: > >>> lts-do-call-me contains all maintainers and/or source > >>> packages that should be handled by the maintainer. Please contact all > >>> maintainers in this list before starting to work on the package. There > >>> are some other maintainers who regularly provide updates themselves, > >>> please update the list as needed and share any information you have. > >>> > >> Is it correct to assume that packages will be noted with this > >> information when triaged into dla-needed.txt? I've seen some that have > >> a note like, "maintainer will handle update," so I assume that it is > >> part of the front desk procedure. > > Yes, ideally this should be managed by frontdesk. So if you are not > > already aware of it take a look at both files and then add the package > > with a note. > > > >> Likewise, I would expect a note > >> indicating that the maintainer has been contacted and stating either > >> that no response has been received yet, or a response has been received > >> saying that we should go ahead or let the maintainer handle it (as > >> appropriate). > >> > >> Do I understand correctly? > > I think that works as before. We already do it this way. For the > > majority of packages nothing will change but for those packages in > > lts-do-call-me we should take extra care and note any responses of the > > maintainer and follow-up as necessary. > Would you be so kind as to update the wiki > https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development > to clarify what front-desk needs to do / not to do? > > I'm not sure what the workflow is (notify maintainer and add to > dla-needed.txt stating so? not add to dla-needed until maintainer acked? > also how to detect when a package maintainer changed and hence > lts-do-call-me needs to be updated / new maintainer asked for their > preference?). > > Last, do we drop 'lts-do-no-call'? > > Cheers! > Sylvain > > -- --- Inguza Technology AB --- MSc in Information Technology | o...@inguza.como...@debian.org| | http://inguza.com/Mobile: +46 (0)70-332 1551 | ---
Re: New list: lts-do-call-me
Hi Markus, On 17/07/2019 17:16, Markus Koschany wrote: > Am 17.07.19 um 16:46 schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez: >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:26:56AM -0300, Markus Koschany wrote: >>> lts-do-call-me contains all maintainers and/or source >>> packages that should be handled by the maintainer. Please contact all >>> maintainers in this list before starting to work on the package. There >>> are some other maintainers who regularly provide updates themselves, >>> please update the list as needed and share any information you have. >>> >> Is it correct to assume that packages will be noted with this >> information when triaged into dla-needed.txt? I've seen some that have >> a note like, "maintainer will handle update," so I assume that it is >> part of the front desk procedure. > Yes, ideally this should be managed by frontdesk. So if you are not > already aware of it take a look at both files and then add the package > with a note. > >> Likewise, I would expect a note >> indicating that the maintainer has been contacted and stating either >> that no response has been received yet, or a response has been received >> saying that we should go ahead or let the maintainer handle it (as >> appropriate). >> >> Do I understand correctly? > I think that works as before. We already do it this way. For the > majority of packages nothing will change but for those packages in > lts-do-call-me we should take extra care and note any responses of the > maintainer and follow-up as necessary. Would you be so kind as to update the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development to clarify what front-desk needs to do / not to do? I'm not sure what the workflow is (notify maintainer and add to dla-needed.txt stating so? not add to dla-needed until maintainer acked? also how to detect when a package maintainer changed and hence lts-do-call-me needs to be updated / new maintainer asked for their preference?). Last, do we drop 'lts-do-no-call'? Cheers! Sylvain
Re: New list: lts-do-call-me
Am 17.07.19 um 16:46 schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:26:56AM -0300, Markus Koschany wrote: >> >> lts-do-call-me contains all maintainers and/or source >> packages that should be handled by the maintainer. Please contact all >> maintainers in this list before starting to work on the package. There >> are some other maintainers who regularly provide updates themselves, >> please update the list as needed and share any information you have. >> > Is it correct to assume that packages will be noted with this > information when triaged into dla-needed.txt? I've seen some that have > a note like, "maintainer will handle update," so I assume that it is > part of the front desk procedure. Yes, ideally this should be managed by frontdesk. So if you are not already aware of it take a look at both files and then add the package with a note. > Likewise, I would expect a note > indicating that the maintainer has been contacted and stating either > that no response has been received yet, or a response has been received > saying that we should go ahead or let the maintainer handle it (as > appropriate). > > Do I understand correctly? I think that works as before. We already do it this way. For the majority of packages nothing will change but for those packages in lts-do-call-me we should take extra care and note any responses of the maintainer and follow-up as necessary. Regards, Markus signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New list: lts-do-call-me
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:26:56AM -0300, Markus Koschany wrote: > > lts-do-call-me contains all maintainers and/or source > packages that should be handled by the maintainer. Please contact all > maintainers in this list before starting to work on the package. There > are some other maintainers who regularly provide updates themselves, > please update the list as needed and share any information you have. > Is it correct to assume that packages will be noted with this information when triaged into dla-needed.txt? I've seen some that have a note like, "maintainer will handle update," so I assume that it is part of the front desk procedure. Likewise, I would expect a note indicating that the maintainer has been contacted and stating either that no response has been received yet, or a response has been received saying that we should go ahead or let the maintainer handle it (as appropriate). Do I understand correctly? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
New list: lts-do-call-me
Hello, after a conversation at DebConf19, I have created a new file org/lts-do-call-me. We have previously sent out many emails asking whether a maintainer would like to take care of the security update. We still do it but less frequently. It turned out that many did either not react, or were glad we did it and asked us not to call them anymore. We have changed this approach, more or less silently, and only call them if we know they want to take charge of the update. I believe it makes sense to create a list with those maintainers who want to be in charge to avoid any friction. lts-do-call-me contains all maintainers and/or source packages that should be handled by the maintainer. Please contact all maintainers in this list before starting to work on the package. There are some other maintainers who regularly provide updates themselves, please update the list as needed and share any information you have. Regards, Markus signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
