Re: [z...@debian.org: Availability of Debian official cloud images from debian.org]
Le Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 09:25:55AM +0100, olivier.sal...@codeless.fr a écrit : > > Le 3/15/13 8:13 AM, Andreas Tille a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > any volunteer to join this effort to create such images featuring > > med-cloud packages? > What would be a med-cloud image ? (but an image containing med-cloud > packages) Hi all, the idea behind med-cloud is to install as much tools as possible, while limiting the size of the image. Hence it is limited to tools that do not depend on graphical environments, but if some command-line tools would pull hundreds of megabytes of packages just for themselves, I think that they would not be fit for the med-cloud metapackage. Other from this, it should be a standard installation. Ideally we should improve the support for Blends in tasksel, so that making a "med-cloud" image would be only the matter of one parameter when creating an image. Alternatively, a user running a standard image and installing med-cloud should have everything he needs (except data !) to run simple analysis, including the analysis of large quantities of sequence reads. Further usage will show us what adjustment we need. For instance, if /tmp is in the virtual memory, I expect that some workflow will not work when for instance sorting multi-gigabyte BED files, etc. In complemnt with this, it would be great to have tutorials explaining how to fetch data and make it ready for use with the tools that we distribute. One solution I know is 'getdata', but did not pass beyond the proof-of-principle stage. Can biomaj be used on the command line ? Alternatively or in complement, we can also design a standard file hierarchy and configure our tools to use it, so that one could prepare separately some data repositories ready for being used from Debian Med images. Have a nice week-end, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-med-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130316054039.gd4...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: [z...@debian.org: Availability of Debian official cloud images from debian.org]
Le 3/15/13 10:57 AM, Tony Travis a écrit : > On 15/03/13 07:13, Andreas Tille wrote: >> Hi, >> >> any volunteer to join this effort to create such images featuring >> med-cloud packages? > Hi, Andreas. > > What about CBL (Cloud Bio-Linux)? I already made a few tests to setup cloud biolinux with a debian (sid/testing) but got several issues. Bugs were fixed, and I do not have tested again since as I also had to create larger raw images. Indeed CBL requires quite a lot of space (more than a few GB). I will soon test again and give some feedback. Olivier > > Bye, > > Tony. > > -- Olivier Sallou IRISA / University of Rennes 1 Campus de Beaulieu, 35000 RENNES - FRANCE Tel: 02.99.84.71.95 gpg key id: 4096R/326D8438 (keyring.debian.org) Key fingerprint = 5FB4 6F83 D3B9 5204 6335 D26D 78DC 68DB 326D 8438 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-med-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51430642.1010...@irisa.fr
Re: [z...@debian.org: Availability of Debian official cloud images from debian.org]
Hi Tony, On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 09:57:17AM +, Tony Travis wrote: > On 15/03/13 07:13, Andreas Tille wrote: > > any volunteer to join this effort to create such images featuring > > med-cloud packages? > > What about CBL (Cloud Bio-Linux)? thanks for the hint. I think we have agreed onto the flow Debian -> Ubuntu -> Bio-Linux and when you swimm the river in this direction Bio-Linux is downstream. So in this sense the correlation of a Debian Med Cloud image would (and should!) be designed to provide the best preparation for Bio-Linux we can provide. I do not have the slightest idea how Cloud Bio-Linux is created. If you are creating this to some extend manually you will be most probably interested in the thread I was hinting to to be able to profit from or enhance the tools developed there. Moreover you most probably want to check whether med-cloud does contain all the packages you want to see in Cloud Bio-Linux. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-med-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130315104936.ge26...@an3as.eu
Re: [z...@debian.org: Availability of Debian official cloud images from debian.org]
On 15/03/13 07:13, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > any volunteer to join this effort to create such images featuring > med-cloud packages? Hi, Andreas. What about CBL (Cloud Bio-Linux)? Bye, Tony. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-med-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5142f07d.3060...@minke.ukfsn.org
Re: [z...@debian.org: Availability of Debian official cloud images from debian.org]
Hi Olivier, On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 09:25:55AM +0100, olivier.sal...@codeless.fr wrote: > > any volunteer to join this effort to create such images featuring > > med-cloud packages? > What would be a med-cloud image ? (but an image containing med-cloud > packages) Well, there was somebody (if I remember correctly Steffen - `svn log` might uncover) who considered it a good idea to assemble the subset of med-bio packages that do not need a GUI in a med-cloud task. I guess if somebody is taking the effort there is some need and if there is some need for this we probably should not stop here but just plug in our work into something that sounds quite simple to finalise. I'm personally not involved into cloud stuff and thus I feel unable to provide reasonable advise. > I would gladly help such thing with debian-cloud team when debian-cloud > team have procedures to build such images. I somehow had the impression from the quoted mail that this is the case. I simply wanted to make people here on the list who might be interested in a cloud image aware about this. > For raw/qcow2/ovh, it can be quite easy to build (you can transform > between each other). > Difficulty is more related to EC2 and specific setups per cloud. I'd suggest you try to implement what is useful for *you* *personally* and provide it for the public for wider adoption. If those cloud images are not really helpful for your work and nobody is explicitely asking for it here I do not see a good reason to spend a lot of time into it. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-med-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130315093705.gb26...@an3as.eu
Re: [z...@debian.org: Availability of Debian official cloud images from debian.org]
Le 3/15/13 8:13 AM, Andreas Tille a écrit : > Hi, > > any volunteer to join this effort to create such images featuring > med-cloud packages? What would be a med-cloud image ? (but an image containing med-cloud packages) I would gladly help such thing with debian-cloud team when debian-cloud team have procedures to build such images. For raw/qcow2/ovh, it can be quite easy to build (you can transform between each other). Difficulty is more related to EC2 and specific setups per cloud. Olivier > > Kind regards > > Andreas. > > - Forwarded message from Thomas Goirand - > > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:28:07 +0800 > From: Thomas Goirand > To: Debian Developers , > "debian-cl...@lists.debian.org" > Subject: Availability of Debian official cloud images from debian.org > > Hi, > > Multiple times, in the debian-cloud@l.d.o, we've came to the conclusion > that Debian should be release images of the stable release (and probably > testing as well) to be run in the cloud. I'm bringing this topic to > -devel, as I'm convince it is a topic which should be debated with > everyone in Debian. > > There is enough software in Debian itself which can support such images: > - Openstack > - Eucalyptus > - XCP > - etc. > > Currently, we have semi-official images which, thanks to the nice work > of the people in debian-cl...@lists.debian.org, are uploaded to both AWS > and Azure. While it's nice that we have these, and while I believe such > initiatives should be encouraged and generalize to other hosting > providers, it is now clear that we need a channel to be able to provide > Debian cloud images. > > Please have a look to what they do at Ubuntu: > https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/ > > and more specifically, when you click on one of them: > https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/ > > they provide both the images for all Ubuntu releases. Also, please > notice that there are multiple format available: > - .ovf, which is an open format > - disk1.img qcow2 format: can be uploaded to Openstack, or booted > directly using kvm, and many more > - .img, +kernel and ramdisk: can be used on EC2, Eucalyptus, or Openstack > > Plus there are "links" to EC2 so that you can just launch such > instances. [in debian.org, we should allow anyone to add information > about Debian images in any company though, and not focus only on one > major vendor, otherwise it is anti-competitive] > > So, put in simple words: we need something like this. Question is, where > can this be uploaded? To me, cdimage.debian.org seem to be the natural > place. Does it make sense to everyone else? Could we, in a near future, > imagine having these images creation, included in the official release > build process, together with the CDs, DVDs, etc.? > > Cheers, > > Thomas > > > > -- > gpg key id: 4096R/326D8438 (keyring.debian.org) > Key fingerprint = 5FB4 6F83 D3B9 5204 6335 D26D 78DC 68DB 326D 8438 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-med-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5142db13.9000...@codeless.fr
[z...@debian.org: Availability of Debian official cloud images from debian.org]
Hi, any volunteer to join this effort to create such images featuring med-cloud packages? Kind regards Andreas. - Forwarded message from Thomas Goirand - Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:28:07 +0800 From: Thomas Goirand To: Debian Developers , "debian-cl...@lists.debian.org" Subject: Availability of Debian official cloud images from debian.org Hi, Multiple times, in the debian-cloud@l.d.o, we've came to the conclusion that Debian should be release images of the stable release (and probably testing as well) to be run in the cloud. I'm bringing this topic to -devel, as I'm convince it is a topic which should be debated with everyone in Debian. There is enough software in Debian itself which can support such images: - Openstack - Eucalyptus - XCP - etc. Currently, we have semi-official images which, thanks to the nice work of the people in debian-cl...@lists.debian.org, are uploaded to both AWS and Azure. While it's nice that we have these, and while I believe such initiatives should be encouraged and generalize to other hosting providers, it is now clear that we need a channel to be able to provide Debian cloud images. Please have a look to what they do at Ubuntu: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/ and more specifically, when you click on one of them: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/ they provide both the images for all Ubuntu releases. Also, please notice that there are multiple format available: - .ovf, which is an open format - disk1.img qcow2 format: can be uploaded to Openstack, or booted directly using kvm, and many more - .img, +kernel and ramdisk: can be used on EC2, Eucalyptus, or Openstack Plus there are "links" to EC2 so that you can just launch such instances. [in debian.org, we should allow anyone to add information about Debian images in any company though, and not focus only on one major vendor, otherwise it is anti-competitive] So, put in simple words: we need something like this. Question is, where can this be uploaded? To me, cdimage.debian.org seem to be the natural place. Does it make sense to everyone else? Could we, in a near future, imagine having these images creation, included in the official release build process, together with the CDs, DVDs, etc.? Cheers, Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5142bf77.3080...@debian.org - End forwarded message - -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-med-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130315071317.ga25...@an3as.eu
