Re: Support for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in rules files

2001-04-22 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 07:35:01PM -0400, Bob Hilliard wrote:
>  It appears to me that the method recommended in policy section
> 11.1 to support DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in the rules file requires the
> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS variable to contain both `debug' and `nostrip' in
> order to generate a package with debugging information included.
> 
>  Is this correct and is this what is intended?

Yes. It's for debugging purposed only. However, if you build a library
package, and you generate a libfoo1, libfoo1-dev and libfoo1-dbg, then
this doesn't apply to you specifically. IOW, it's not the same thing.

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Support for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in rules files

2001-04-22 Thread Bob Hilliard
 It appears to me that the method recommended in policy section
11.1 to support DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in the rules file requires the
DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS variable to contain both `debug' and `nostrip' in
order to generate a package with debugging information included.

 Is this correct and is this what is intended?

Bob
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Re: Support for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in rules files

2001-04-22 Thread Ben Collins

On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 07:35:01PM -0400, Bob Hilliard wrote:
>  It appears to me that the method recommended in policy section
> 11.1 to support DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in the rules file requires the
> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS variable to contain both `debug' and `nostrip' in
> order to generate a package with debugging information included.
> 
>  Is this correct and is this what is intended?

Yes. It's for debugging purposed only. However, if you build a library
package, and you generate a libfoo1, libfoo1-dev and libfoo1-dbg, then
this doesn't apply to you specifically. IOW, it's not the same thing.

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Support for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in rules files

2001-04-22 Thread Bob Hilliard

 It appears to me that the method recommended in policy section
11.1 to support DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in the rules file requires the
DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS variable to contain both `debug' and `nostrip' in
order to generate a package with debugging information included.

 Is this correct and is this what is intended?

Bob
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Re: modversion.h ?

2001-04-22 Thread sharkey
> I'm using debian testing with kernel 2.2.18pre21 and am
> trying to compile modules for my NVIDIA TNT2 card,

This is off topic for this list.  Please post user issues to
debian-user.  This list is for mentoring new debian maintainers
or other issues involving in creating debian packaging.

> In file included from os-registry.c:67:
> /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.18pre21/include/linux/module.h:19: 
> linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory

This means that you have the kernel source, but it hasn't been configured.
You must run make config, make menuconfig, make oldconfig, or
make xconfig and set and save your kernel configuration options, and that
will create this file.  You should set the same configuration options as were
used to compile your currently running kernel.

If you're using one of the stock debian kernels, then you can install
the kernel-headers package which have the corresponding headers for
that particular kernel, and that will contain this file.

I also don't recommend sticking anything in your kernel you don't have
source for.  If you're trying to use binary-only non-free modules
released by nvidia, you're voluntarily giving up your freedom.  You're
better off switching to hardware that has open specs and open drivers.
Buy Matrox or ATI or just about anything else.

Eric



Re: modversion.h ?

2001-04-22 Thread sharkey

> I'm using debian testing with kernel 2.2.18pre21 and am
> trying to compile modules for my NVIDIA TNT2 card,

This is off topic for this list.  Please post user issues to
debian-user.  This list is for mentoring new debian maintainers
or other issues involving in creating debian packaging.

> In file included from os-registry.c:67:
> /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.18pre21/include/linux/module.h:19: linux/modversions.h: 
>No such file or directory

This means that you have the kernel source, but it hasn't been configured.
You must run make config, make menuconfig, make oldconfig, or
make xconfig and set and save your kernel configuration options, and that
will create this file.  You should set the same configuration options as were
used to compile your currently running kernel.

If you're using one of the stock debian kernels, then you can install
the kernel-headers package which have the corresponding headers for
that particular kernel, and that will contain this file.

I also don't recommend sticking anything in your kernel you don't have
source for.  If you're trying to use binary-only non-free modules
released by nvidia, you're voluntarily giving up your freedom.  You're
better off switching to hardware that has open specs and open drivers.
Buy Matrox or ATI or just about anything else.

Eric


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RE: Building dynamic libraries.

2001-04-22 Thread Carlos Laviola

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On 21-Apr-2001 Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
> Is there a ref doc about building packages of dynamic libraries ?

I, too, would like some suggestions on more-or-less complex packages that have
libs or are lib-only packages, so I can take a look, since I haven't packaged a
program with libs yet.

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Debian Package Ready, Need Sponsor

2001-04-22 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz

Hi, I have retitled bug #91842, which was an RFP for Althea (an IMAP email
client for GTK+), as an IFP, and the package is now ready. If you want to
download it compiled for Intel, it's at:

ftp://ftp.kaplowitz.org/pub/althea/althea_0.4.1-1_i386.deb

The source package is also there (.dsc, .diff.gz, .orig.tar.gz), as is my
.changes file from the build.

Could someone from debian-mentors please take a look at my package and sponsor
it for inclusion in the distribution? If it gets in, I will seek to become an
official Debian developer so I can handle this myself. I have fixed all the
errors and warnings given by lintian, so that now lintian gives no messages.

The dsc and changes files are properly signed, with a GPG key that is on
keyserver.net - I have many there, most of which are obsolete :) but this is
key ID DDE735DA.

I am not currently subscribed to debian-mentors, so please CC me in all
replies. If you think it's important for me to subscribe to debian-mentors
for any reason, please just tell me so and I'll do it.

Thank you, and I wish the Althea developers good luck with their program. I'm
glad I can help.

- Jimmy Kaplowitz
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Building dynamic libraries.

2001-04-22 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut

Is there a ref doc about building packages of dynamic libraries ?

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Update release management

2001-04-22 Thread Michel Salim

Hello,

I apologise if this is considered off-topic - might be barking up the
wrong tree in the wrong forest here - but bringing up an old issue here
of release frequency, once the transition to using package pools and the
new debian-installer is done, would it be reasonable to expect Debian
releases more often - say, once every quarter like FreeBSD already does?

The comparison with FreeBSD is rather apt as both are community projects
working on whole OSes, although FreeBSD has a principal sponsor (BSDi,
then WindRiver) and positions itself more commercially than does Debian
(selling official CDs) and thus perhaps having more to benefit from
frequent releases?

That asides, with the avalanches of release in the last few days (RH
7.1, Mdk 8.0, FreeBSD 4.3) leading me to think about the future of
Debian - note that last week also sees the update of the Unofficial
Debian CD sets (by Attila Nagy - many thanks!), one sets to ponder
certain points of matter:

- it should be easier maintaining the new modular installer in-between
releases (considering the present one looks very much similar to
FreeBSD's spartan interface, and *that* installer has not changed in
ages it seems, it would be nice if our next installer can be that
dependable)

- Package pools allowing easy roll-out of custom-made mini-distributions

Take the two together and certain possibilities arise:
1. Frequent releases made possible for the benefit of people without
blazing-fast connection
2. This frequent release should allow Debian to generate more revenue
3. A sort of package rating system, allowing a core nucleus of important
libraries and programs to coalesce. Since these packages are those most
likely to change and thus most noticeable when they become out of date,
having frequent releases would help, and doing so would be easier with
less packages to concentrate bug-fixing on
4. Inter-release update CDs could be issued ala Microsoft's Service
Packs with updated packages only - so it might depend on previous
release CDs. Should be simple enough to automate, does not even need an
installer.


I am sure all these points have been raised before, or even seem obvious
and if anyone think this posting is a waste of time and space, my
apologies. Just thought to appease my curiousity about Debian's future
plans since I am in the process of joining it.

Warm regards,

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Re: Debian Package Ready, Need Sponsor

2001-04-22 Thread Bas Zoetekouw

Hi Jimmy!

You wrote:

> Could someone from debian-mentors please take a look at my package and sponsor
> it for inclusion in the distribution? If it gets in, I will seek to become an
> official Debian developer so I can handle this myself. I have fixed all the
> errors and warnings given by lintian, so that now lintian gives no messages.

I'll sponsor you. I'll take a look at the package tonight.

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Update release management

2001-04-22 Thread Michel Salim
Hello,

I apologise if this is considered off-topic - might be barking up the
wrong tree in the wrong forest here - but bringing up an old issue here
of release frequency, once the transition to using package pools and the
new debian-installer is done, would it be reasonable to expect Debian
releases more often - say, once every quarter like FreeBSD already does?

The comparison with FreeBSD is rather apt as both are community projects
working on whole OSes, although FreeBSD has a principal sponsor (BSDi,
then WindRiver) and positions itself more commercially than does Debian
(selling official CDs) and thus perhaps having more to benefit from
frequent releases?

That asides, with the avalanches of release in the last few days (RH
7.1, Mdk 8.0, FreeBSD 4.3) leading me to think about the future of
Debian - note that last week also sees the update of the Unofficial
Debian CD sets (by Attila Nagy - many thanks!), one sets to ponder
certain points of matter:

- it should be easier maintaining the new modular installer in-between
releases (considering the present one looks very much similar to
FreeBSD's spartan interface, and *that* installer has not changed in
ages it seems, it would be nice if our next installer can be that
dependable)

- Package pools allowing easy roll-out of custom-made mini-distributions

Take the two together and certain possibilities arise:
1. Frequent releases made possible for the benefit of people without
blazing-fast connection
2. This frequent release should allow Debian to generate more revenue
3. A sort of package rating system, allowing a core nucleus of important
libraries and programs to coalesce. Since these packages are those most
likely to change and thus most noticeable when they become out of date,
having frequent releases would help, and doing so would be easier with
less packages to concentrate bug-fixing on
4. Inter-release update CDs could be issued ala Microsoft's Service
Packs with updated packages only - so it might depend on previous
release CDs. Should be simple enough to automate, does not even need an
installer.


I am sure all these points have been raised before, or even seem obvious
and if anyone think this posting is a waste of time and space, my
apologies. Just thought to appease my curiousity about Debian's future
plans since I am in the process of joining it.

Warm regards,

-- 
Michèl Alexandre Salim



Re: Debian Package Ready, Need Sponsor

2001-04-22 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Jimmy!

You wrote:

> Could someone from debian-mentors please take a look at my package and sponsor
> it for inclusion in the distribution? If it gets in, I will seek to become an
> official Debian developer so I can handle this myself. I have fixed all the
> errors and warnings given by lintian, so that now lintian gives no messages.

I'll sponsor you. I'll take a look at the package tonight.

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