Re: vimoutliner -- plea for sponsoring

2003-07-30 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include 
* Matej Cepl [Mon, Jul 28 2003, 03:11:29PM]:
> Hi,
> 
> I have created a package for vimoutliner. Is there anybody who would
> like to sponsor me?
> 
>Package: vimoutliner
>Status: install ok installed
>Priority: optional
>Section: editors
>Installed-Size: 204
>Maintainer: Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Version: 0.3.0-1
>Depends: vim (>= 6.0), perl
>Description: a script for building an outline editor on top of Vim
> Vimoutliner provides commands for building using the Vim text
> editor as an outline editor. For more explanation on what
> outlines are and what they are good for see the script's
> webpage at
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/projects/vimoutliner/index.htm

No, it is not:

VimOutliner is a program to facilitate quick and productive outline processing using 
the Vim editor (version 6 or better). It also facilitates the "hyperlinking" of 
different outlines using Vim's tagging facilities.

And now, I know much more, really! :( The whole page seems to be looking
for coders with thons of specifications, no self-explaining user doc or
screenshots.

MfG,
Eduard.
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RE: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Lucas Wall
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Ok... Description fixed. I have some questions about the other two items.

Ah... I updated lintian to testing and notice several errors. I'll fix them. I 
used to have one which I was not sure about. Lintian complains that symbolic links 
should be relative, but the link is from "/usr/share/doc/popfile/manual" to 
"/usr/lib/popfile/manual". Making it relative would make the link "more cryptic(?)". 
Should I still make it relative?

Should I add the closes to the list of changes for the last version of the 
package, or can I append it to the "Initial Release" line? Will the bug tracking 
system parse the whole file or just the changes list for the latest version?


> -Original Message-
> From: Aníbal Monsalve Salazar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Sponsor for popfile
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 15:57 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I'm looking for a sponsor. I have the following package ready for
> > examination:
> > 
> > POPFile is an email classification tool with a Naive Bayes 
> classifier, 
> > a POP3 proxy and a web interface.  It runs on most 
> platforms and with 
> > most email clients.
> > 
> > package: http://www.kadath.com.ar/popfile/
> > upstream: http://popfile.sourceforge.net
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > K.
> 
> Hello Lucas,
> 
> After a quick check, I've found the following problems with your
> package:
> 
> · The package is not lintian clean yet.
> 
> · In debian/changelog, there is no 'closes #203349' to close ITP bug
>   #203349.
> 
> · In debian/control, the short description shouldn't start with 'An'
>   and end with '.', see [1].
> 
> [1] 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-
practices..en.html#s-bpp-pkg-synopsis

Regards,

Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
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Re: tagging bugs "woody"?

2003-07-30 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

>
> Tagging them as "fixed,woody" sounds wrong to me, they'll be listed as
> "closed in NMU" and will probably be rereported again.

Oh, does tagging "fixed" automatically result in that? As far as I
understood, a NMU is one possibility, but not the only one.

TIA, Frank
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Re: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:14 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> Ok... Description fixed. I have some questions about the other two
> items.
> 
> Ah... I updated lintian to testing and notice several errors. I'll
> fix them. I used to have one which I was not sure about. Lintian
> complains that symbolic links should be relative, but the link is
> from "/usr/share/doc/popfile/manual" to "/usr/lib/popfile/manual".
> Making it relative would make the link "more cryptic(?)". Should I
> still make it relative?

You shouldn't install documentation in /usr/lib in the first place.
Read the Chapter 12 of Debian Policy at:

http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html

You should have read the Debian Policy document thoroughly.

> Should I add the closes to the list of changes for the last version
> of the package, or can I append it to the "Initial Release" line?

Put it in the changes list of the lastest version.

> Will the bug tracking system parse the whole file or just the changes
> list for the latest version?

You shouldn't change the log of the previous versions anyway. A 'closes
#nn' in the changes list of a previous version won't be considered.

Regards,

Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
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Re: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 08:20:15PM +1000, An?bal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:14 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> > Will the bug tracking system parse the whole file or just the changes
> > list for the latest version?
> 
> You shouldn't change the log of the previous versions anyway. A 'closes
> #nn' in the changes list of a previous version won't be considered.

... unless you use the -v option to dpkg-buildpackage, which is often
useful anyway on an initial upload.

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Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Julien Barnier
Hello,

As an exercise, I am trying to make my first Debian package using a
Windowmaker dockapp called WMxmms. I think I almost succeeded to produce
something that works, but I have three little questions.

1) I have a (boring) naming problem. The program is called WMxmms
version 0.1.4, but I read that the convention is to lowercase the names
of packages, so I chose to call it wmxmms-0.1.4. The problem is that the
executable is called WMxmms, and there already is a program called
wmxmms, which is part of the xmms package. The better way I found was to
call the package wmxmms, and to let WMxmms as program name and menu
entry, but there is a possible confusion with the "other" wmxmms
program...

2) The package seems correct, lintian doesn't give any message anymore.
But dpkg-buildpackage didn't generate an "orig.tar.gz" and a
"diff.tar.gz" files, but only a "tar.gz". Is it because I didn't change
anything in the source code ?

3) I know it is a very simple and straightforward job, but I wonder if
it could be interesting that I send my package to somebody in order to
diffuse it ?

I put the files at the following address :
http://www.nozav.org/debian/

Thanks in advance for any answer, and sorry for my very newbie questions
and my poor english.


Julien


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Re: Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Goedson Teixeira Paixao
* Julien Barnier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> As an exercise, I am trying to make my first Debian package using a
> Windowmaker dockapp called WMxmms. I think I almost succeeded to produce
> something that works, but I have three little questions.
> 
> 1) I have a (boring) naming problem. The program is called WMxmms
> version 0.1.4, but I read that the convention is to lowercase the names
> of packages, so I chose to call it wmxmms-0.1.4. The problem is that the
> executable is called WMxmms, and there already is a program called
> wmxmms, which is part of the xmms package. The better way I found was to
> call the package wmxmms, and to let WMxmms as program name and menu
> entry, but there is a possible confusion with the "other" wmxmms
> program...
> 
Have you checked if the wmxmms in xmms package isn't the same as your
WMxmms dockapp? From the manpage I see this:


,[ wmxmms manpage ]
|WMXMMS is a dock applet for the Window Maker window manager.  From
|the applet  you  can  start and control xmms.
`

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RE: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Lucas Wall
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I read the Debian Policy and didn't installed documentation in "/usr/lib". 
What I did was move the html manual out of the main program install dir and place it 
in "/usr/share/doc", but the web UI links to the manual so I placed a symbolic link.

ln -fs /usr/share/doc/popfile/manual $(DESTDIR)/usr/lib/popfile/manual

Now lintian says the link should be relative. Should I make it relative?



> -Original Message-
> From: Aníbal Monsalve Salazar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:20 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Sponsor for popfile
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:14 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> > Ok... Description fixed. I have some questions about the other two 
> > items.
> > 
> > Ah... I updated lintian to testing and notice several 
> errors. I'll fix 
> > them. I used to have one which I was not sure about. 
> Lintian complains 
> > that symbolic links should be relative, but the link is from 
> > "/usr/share/doc/popfile/manual" to 
> "/usr/lib/popfile/manual". Making 
> > it relative would make the link "more cryptic(?)". Should I 
> still make 
> > it relative?
> 
> You shouldn't install documentation in /usr/lib in the first 
> place. Read the Chapter 12 of Debian Policy at:
> 
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html

You should have read the Debian Policy document thoroughly.

> Should I add the closes to the list of changes for the last version of 
> the package, or can I append it to the "Initial Release" line?

Put it in the changes list of the lastest version.

> Will the bug tracking system parse the whole file or just the changes 
> list for the latest version?

You shouldn't change the log of the previous versions anyway. A 'closes #nn' in 
the changes list of a previous version won't be considered.

Regards,

Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
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Re: Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Julien Barnier
> Have you checked if the wmxmms in xmms package isn't the same as
> your WMxmms dockapp?

Yes, and it is a different dockapp, much more complete in my opinion.
In fact this WMxmms dockapp is closer to the wmusic dockapp.

Otherwise, the problem would have been solved...


Julien


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Re: Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Julien Barnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030730 17:40]:
> 2) The package seems correct, lintian doesn't give any message anymore.
> But dpkg-buildpackage didn't generate an "orig.tar.gz" and a
> "diff.tar.gz" files, but only a "tar.gz". Is it because I didn't change
> anything in the source code ?

dpkg-buildpackage cannot create a orig.tar.gz, as something original has
already to be there. (Try putting the upstream source code renamed
there). In order to dpkg-buildpackage even trying, you need to have a
version number ending with a debian-specific number. (The thing after -)

Hochachtungsvoll,
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RE: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Lucas Wall
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Package is now lintian clean, the description has been fixed and the changelog 
entry added.

K.



> -Original Message-
> From: Aníbal Monsalve Salazar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Sponsor for popfile
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 15:57 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I'm looking for a sponsor. I have the following package ready for
> > examination:
> > 
> > POPFile is an email classification tool with a Naive Bayes 
> classifier, 
> > a POP3 proxy and a web interface.  It runs on most 
> platforms and with 
> > most email clients.
> > 
> > package: http://www.kadath.com.ar/popfile/
> > upstream: http://popfile.sourceforge.net
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > K.
> 
> Hello Lucas,
> 
> After a quick check, I've found the following problems with your
> package:
> 
> · The package is not lintian clean yet.
> 
> · In debian/changelog, there is no 'closes #203349' to close ITP bug
>   #203349.
> 
> · In debian/control, the short description shouldn't start with 'An'
>   and end with '.', see [1].
> 
> [1] 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-
practices..en.html#s-bpp-pkg-synopsis

Regards,

Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
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Re: tagging bugs "woody"?

2003-07-30 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 30.07.03 10:02 Frank Küster wrote:
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
Tagging them as "fixed,woody" sounds wrong to me, they'll be listed as
"closed in NMU" and will probably be rereported again.

Oh, does tagging "fixed" automatically result in that?
Yes, bugs listed on  http://bugs.debian.org/somepackages as "fixed by 
NMU" are exactly the ones with a "fixed" tag.

As far as I understood, a NMU is one possibility, but not the only one.
I've used it myself for NMUisms, i.e. if I found a bug in a negleted 
package that was fixed but not closed, I've tagged it as "fixed" instead 
of closing it, imvvvho the former is sometimes acceptable, while closing 
usually should be done by submitter or maintainer.
   cu andreas



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Re: Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 17:42 +0200, Julien Barnier wrote:
> 2) The package seems correct, lintian doesn't give any message anymore.
> But dpkg-buildpackage didn't generate an "orig.tar.gz" and a
> "diff.tar.gz" files, but only a "tar.gz". Is it because I didn't change
> anything in the source code ?

Rename wmxmms_0.1.4-1.tar.gz to wmxmms_0.1.4-1.orig.tar.gz and
dpkg-buildpackage will generate the diff.tar.gz file.   

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Re: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Bruno Rodrigues
Lucas Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
>I read the Debian Policy and didn't installed documentation in "/usr/lib". 
> What I did was move the html manual out of the main program install dir and place it 
> in "/usr/share/doc", but the web UI links to the manual so I placed a symbolic link.
> 
>ln -fs /usr/share/doc/popfile/manual $(DESTDIR)/usr/lib/popfile/manual

you can use dh_links and set:

echo usr/share/doc/popfile/manual usr/lib/popfile \
> debian/popfile.links



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Re: Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:13:26AM +1000, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 17:42 +0200, Julien Barnier wrote:
> > 2) The package seems correct, lintian doesn't give any message anymore.
> > But dpkg-buildpackage didn't generate an "orig.tar.gz" and a
> > "diff.tar.gz" files, but only a "tar.gz". Is it because I didn't change
> > anything in the source code ?
> 
> Rename wmxmms_0.1.4-1.tar.gz to wmxmms_0.1.4-1.orig.tar.gz and
> dpkg-buildpackage will generate the diff.tar.gz file.   

Disregard that.

Your file wmxmms_0.1.4-1.tar.gz is not the original tar archive from the
upstream author. 

You need to rename the upstream original tar archive to:

wmxmms_0.1.4-1.orig.tar.gz

Regards,

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building unstable packages with stable

2003-07-30 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
I'm using sourceforge's compile farm and I'd like to know how to use it to
compile packages for unstable. They use woody. I also have an account on
HP's testdrive systems.

Is there any reasonably easy way to do this? I know that the buildd's can
take care of it, but I'd like to be able to do this myself.

Even if they have gcc 3.3 how would I specify that it should be used
instead of gcc 2.x (default 2.95.x on Woody)? I see that gcc-3.0 is
available for woody, but 3.3 isn't... I think I'm stuck as far as the c++
abi transition goes for using sf's compile farm.

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Re: building unstable packages with stable

2003-07-30 Thread Joshua Kwan
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 05:05:24PM -0500, Drew Scott Daniels wrote:
> I'm using sourceforge's compile farm and I'd like to know how to use it to
> compile packages for unstable. They use woody. I also have an account on
> HP's testdrive systems.

Bad idea. Your packages' first point of entry is unstable, so build and
test on an unstable box. And since you'll probably want to install
foreign dependencies etc., you should probably get a box at home to do
so so you don't have to wait for some admin to reply and install your
deps.

Building your packages on sourceforge will make them link against old
libraries that are not in unstable.

-Josh

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Re: building unstable packages with stable

2003-07-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 05:05:24PM -0500, Drew Scott Daniels wrote:
> I'm using sourceforge's compile farm and I'd like to know how to use it to
> compile packages for unstable. They use woody. I also have an account on
> HP's testdrive systems.

> Is there any reasonably easy way to do this? I know that the buildd's can
> take care of it, but I'd like to be able to do this myself.

No; and, moreover, you should not be relying on machines not under your
(or Debian's) control in order to build binary packages that will be
uploaded to the Debian archive.  Sourceforge has certainly been
compromised in the past, and remains a high profile target; I wouldn't
want to see it used as a conduit for getting compromised software into
Debian.

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locale files

2003-07-30 Thread Neil Roeth
I maintain a package that provides a shared library, libosp3c102.  The files
/usr/share/locale/{ja,fr,de,sv}/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo are part of the package.
However, they are also part of the package that provided the older version of
the same shared library, libosp2.  When I try to install libosp3c102 on a
system that has libosp2 installed, I get an error: "trying to overwrite
`/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo', which is also in package libosp2".
I found that libgtk2.0-common and libgtk1.2-common versionize the locale
files, e.g., gtk20.mo and gtk+.mo, respectively.  I'm not certain that it was
done to solve the same problem, but it looks like that would work in my case.
Is there any reason not to do that?

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Re: locale files

2003-07-30 Thread Paul . Hampson
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:23:14PM -0400, Neil Roeth wrote:
> I maintain a package that provides a shared library, libosp3c102.  The files
> /usr/share/locale/{ja,fr,de,sv}/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo are part of the package.
> However, they are also part of the package that provided the older version of
> the same shared library, libosp2.  When I try to install libosp3c102 on a
> system that has libosp2 installed, I get an error: "trying to overwrite
> `/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo', which is also in package libosp2".
> I found that libgtk2.0-common and libgtk1.2-common versionize the locale
> files, e.g., gtk20.mo and gtk+.mo, respectively.  I'm not certain that it was
> done to solve the same problem, but it looks like that would work in my case.
> Is there any reason not to do that?

Look up 'Replaces' in the policy or developer's guide or whatnot.

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Re: locale files

2003-07-30 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:23:14PM -0400, Neil Roeth wrote:

> I maintain a package that provides a shared library, libosp3c102.  The files
> /usr/share/locale/{ja,fr,de,sv}/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo are part of the package.
> However, they are also part of the package that provided the older version of
> the same shared library, libosp2.  When I try to install libosp3c102 on a
> system that has libosp2 installed, I get an error: "trying to overwrite
> `/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo', which is also in package libosp2".
> I found that libgtk2.0-common and libgtk1.2-common versionize the locale
> files, e.g., gtk20.mo and gtk+.mo, respectively.  I'm not certain that it was
> done to solve the same problem, but it looks like that would work in my case.
> Is there any reason not to do that?

You should either version the files, or move them into another package.
Versioning would seem to make more sense in the case of gettext data.  In
general, a shared library package must not contain any files which would
conflict with a later version of the same library.  Different versions of
the same shared library must not conflict with each other, so that the
library can be upgraded smoothly.

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Re: building unstable packages with stable

2003-07-30 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 05:39:59PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 05:05:24PM -0500, Drew Scott Daniels wrote:
> > I'm using sourceforge's compile farm and I'd like to know how to use it to
> > compile packages for unstable. They use woody. I also have an account on
> > HP's testdrive systems.
> 
> > Is there any reasonably easy way to do this? I know that the buildd's can
> > take care of it, but I'd like to be able to do this myself.
> 
> No; and, moreover, you should not be relying on machines not under your
> (or Debian's) control in order to build binary packages that will be
> uploaded to the Debian archive.  Sourceforge has certainly been
> compromised in the past, and remains a high profile target; I wouldn't
> want to see it used as a conduit for getting compromised software into
> Debian.
> 

A way to compile unstable on a stable systems is like this:

Run debootstrap on an unstable system,
make a tarball of it and take it to the stable system
unpack the tarball there and chroot into it.

If there is interrest for it, I can set such tarballs
for PowerPC and i386 online.


Geert Stappers


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Re: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 15:57 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I'm looking for a sponsor. I have the following package ready for
> examination:
> 
> POPFile is an email classification tool with a Naive Bayes classifier,
> a POP3 proxy and a web interface.  It runs on most platforms and with
> most email clients.
> 
> package: http://www.kadath.com.ar/popfile/
> upstream: http://popfile.sourceforge.net
> 
>   Thanks!
> 
>   K.

Hello Lucas,

After a quick check, I've found the following problems with your
package:

· The package is not lintian clean yet.

· In debian/changelog, there is no 'closes #203349' to close ITP bug
  #203349.

· In debian/control, the short description shouldn't start with 'An'
  and end with '.', see [1].

[1] 
http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-practices..en.html#s-bpp-pkg-synopsis

Regards,

Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
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Re: vimoutliner -- plea for sponsoring

2003-07-30 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include 
* Matej Cepl [Mon, Jul 28 2003, 03:11:29PM]:
> Hi,
> 
> I have created a package for vimoutliner. Is there anybody who would
> like to sponsor me?
> 
>Package: vimoutliner
>Status: install ok installed
>Priority: optional
>Section: editors
>Installed-Size: 204
>Maintainer: Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Version: 0.3.0-1
>Depends: vim (>= 6.0), perl
>Description: a script for building an outline editor on top of Vim
> Vimoutliner provides commands for building using the Vim text
> editor as an outline editor. For more explanation on what
> outlines are and what they are good for see the script's
> webpage at
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/projects/vimoutliner/index.htm

No, it is not:

VimOutliner is a program to facilitate quick and productive outline processing 
using the Vim editor (version 6 or better). It also facilitates the 
"hyperlinking" of different outlines using Vim's tagging facilities.

And now, I know much more, really! :( The whole page seems to be looking
for coders with thons of specifications, no self-explaining user doc or
screenshots.

MfG,
Eduard.
-- 
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einem lieb ist in den Fuss schiessen.
 Fuchur: Vertraue mir.
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nicht mehr zaehlen...



RE: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Lucas Wall
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Ok... Description fixed. I have some questions about the other two 
items.

Ah... I updated lintian to testing and notice several errors. I'll fix 
them. I used to have one which I was not sure about. Lintian complains that 
symbolic links should be relative, but the link is from 
"/usr/share/doc/popfile/manual" to "/usr/lib/popfile/manual". Making it 
relative would make the link "more cryptic(?)". Should I still make it relative?

Should I add the closes to the list of changes for the last version of 
the package, or can I append it to the "Initial Release" line? Will the bug 
tracking system parse the whole file or just the changes list for the latest 
version?


> -Original Message-
> From: Aníbal Monsalve Salazar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:31 AM
> To: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Sponsor for popfile
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 15:57 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I'm looking for a sponsor. I have the following package ready for
> > examination:
> > 
> > POPFile is an email classification tool with a Naive Bayes 
> classifier, 
> > a POP3 proxy and a web interface.  It runs on most 
> platforms and with 
> > most email clients.
> > 
> > package: http://www.kadath.com.ar/popfile/
> > upstream: http://popfile.sourceforge.net
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > K.
> 
> Hello Lucas,
> 
> After a quick check, I've found the following problems with your
> package:
> 
> · The package is not lintian clean yet.
> 
> · In debian/changelog, there is no 'closes #203349' to close ITP bug
>   #203349.
> 
> · In debian/control, the short description shouldn't start with 'An'
>   and end with '.', see [1].
> 
> [1] 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-
practices..en.html#s-bpp-pkg-synopsis

Regards,

Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
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Re: tagging bugs "woody"?

2003-07-30 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

>
> Tagging them as "fixed,woody" sounds wrong to me, they'll be listed as
> "closed in NMU" and will probably be rereported again.

Oh, does tagging "fixed" automatically result in that? As far as I
understood, a NMU is one possibility, but not the only one.

TIA, Frank
-- 
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Abt. Biophysikalische Chemie



Re: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:14 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> Ok... Description fixed. I have some questions about the other two
> items.
> 
> Ah... I updated lintian to testing and notice several errors. I'll
> fix them. I used to have one which I was not sure about. Lintian
> complains that symbolic links should be relative, but the link is
> from "/usr/share/doc/popfile/manual" to "/usr/lib/popfile/manual".
> Making it relative would make the link "more cryptic(?)". Should I
> still make it relative?

You shouldn't install documentation in /usr/lib in the first place.
Read the Chapter 12 of Debian Policy at:

http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html

You should have read the Debian Policy document thoroughly.

> Should I add the closes to the list of changes for the last version
> of the package, or can I append it to the "Initial Release" line?

Put it in the changes list of the lastest version.

> Will the bug tracking system parse the whole file or just the changes
> list for the latest version?

You shouldn't change the log of the previous versions anyway. A 'closes
#nn' in the changes list of a previous version won't be considered.

Regards,

Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
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Re: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 08:20:15PM +1000, An?bal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:14 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> > Will the bug tracking system parse the whole file or just the changes
> > list for the latest version?
> 
> You shouldn't change the log of the previous versions anyway. A 'closes
> #nn' in the changes list of a previous version won't be considered.

... unless you use the -v option to dpkg-buildpackage, which is often
useful anyway on an initial upload.

-- 
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2003-07-30 Thread Dave Thomas


Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Julien Barnier
Hello,

As an exercise, I am trying to make my first Debian package using a
Windowmaker dockapp called WMxmms. I think I almost succeeded to produce
something that works, but I have three little questions.

1) I have a (boring) naming problem. The program is called WMxmms
version 0.1.4, but I read that the convention is to lowercase the names
of packages, so I chose to call it wmxmms-0.1.4. The problem is that the
executable is called WMxmms, and there already is a program called
wmxmms, which is part of the xmms package. The better way I found was to
call the package wmxmms, and to let WMxmms as program name and menu
entry, but there is a possible confusion with the "other" wmxmms
program...

2) The package seems correct, lintian doesn't give any message anymore.
But dpkg-buildpackage didn't generate an "orig.tar.gz" and a
"diff.tar.gz" files, but only a "tar.gz". Is it because I didn't change
anything in the source code ?

3) I know it is a very simple and straightforward job, but I wonder if
it could be interesting that I send my package to somebody in order to
diffuse it ?

I put the files at the following address :
http://www.nozav.org/debian/

Thanks in advance for any answer, and sorry for my very newbie questions
and my poor english.


Julien



Re: Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Goedson Teixeira Paixao
* Julien Barnier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> As an exercise, I am trying to make my first Debian package using a
> Windowmaker dockapp called WMxmms. I think I almost succeeded to produce
> something that works, but I have three little questions.
> 
> 1) I have a (boring) naming problem. The program is called WMxmms
> version 0.1.4, but I read that the convention is to lowercase the names
> of packages, so I chose to call it wmxmms-0.1.4. The problem is that the
> executable is called WMxmms, and there already is a program called
> wmxmms, which is part of the xmms package. The better way I found was to
> call the package wmxmms, and to let WMxmms as program name and menu
> entry, but there is a possible confusion with the "other" wmxmms
> program...
> 
Have you checked if the wmxmms in xmms package isn't the same as your
WMxmms dockapp? From the manpage I see this:


,[ wmxmms manpage ]
|WMXMMS is a dock applet for the Window Maker window manager.  From
|the applet  you  can  start and control xmms.
`

Goedson



RE: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Lucas Wall
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I read the Debian Policy and didn't installed documentation in 
"/usr/lib". What I did was move the html manual out of the main program install 
dir and place it in "/usr/share/doc", but the web UI links to the manual so I 
placed a symbolic link.

ln -fs /usr/share/doc/popfile/manual 
$(DESTDIR)/usr/lib/popfile/manual

Now lintian says the link should be relative. Should I make it relative?



> -Original Message-
> From: Aníbal Monsalve Salazar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:20 AM
> To: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Sponsor for popfile
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:14 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> > Ok... Description fixed. I have some questions about the other two 
> > items.
> > 
> > Ah... I updated lintian to testing and notice several 
> errors. I'll fix 
> > them. I used to have one which I was not sure about. 
> Lintian complains 
> > that symbolic links should be relative, but the link is from 
> > "/usr/share/doc/popfile/manual" to 
> "/usr/lib/popfile/manual". Making 
> > it relative would make the link "more cryptic(?)". Should I 
> still make 
> > it relative?
> 
> You shouldn't install documentation in /usr/lib in the first 
> place. Read the Chapter 12 of Debian Policy at:
> 
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html

You should have read the Debian Policy document thoroughly.

> Should I add the closes to the list of changes for the last version of 
> the package, or can I append it to the "Initial Release" line?

Put it in the changes list of the lastest version.

> Will the bug tracking system parse the whole file or just the changes 
> list for the latest version?

You shouldn't change the log of the previous versions anyway. A 'closes 
#nn' in the changes list of a previous version won't be considered.

Regards,

Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
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Re: Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Julien Barnier
> Have you checked if the wmxmms in xmms package isn't the same as
> your WMxmms dockapp?

Yes, and it is a different dockapp, much more complete in my opinion.
In fact this WMxmms dockapp is closer to the wmusic dockapp.

Otherwise, the problem would have been solved...


Julien



Re: Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Julien Barnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030730 17:40]:
> 2) The package seems correct, lintian doesn't give any message anymore.
> But dpkg-buildpackage didn't generate an "orig.tar.gz" and a
> "diff.tar.gz" files, but only a "tar.gz". Is it because I didn't change
> anything in the source code ?

dpkg-buildpackage cannot create a orig.tar.gz, as something original has
already to be there. (Try putting the upstream source code renamed
there). In order to dpkg-buildpackage even trying, you need to have a
version number ending with a debian-specific number. (The thing after -)

Hochachtungsvoll,
  Bernhard R. Link

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RE: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Lucas Wall
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Package is now lintian clean, the description has been fixed and the 
changelog entry added.

K.



> -Original Message-
> From: Aníbal Monsalve Salazar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:31 AM
> To: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Sponsor for popfile
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 15:57 -0300, Lucas Wall wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I'm looking for a sponsor. I have the following package ready for
> > examination:
> > 
> > POPFile is an email classification tool with a Naive Bayes 
> classifier, 
> > a POP3 proxy and a web interface.  It runs on most 
> platforms and with 
> > most email clients.
> > 
> > package: http://www.kadath.com.ar/popfile/
> > upstream: http://popfile.sourceforge.net
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > K.
> 
> Hello Lucas,
> 
> After a quick check, I've found the following problems with your
> package:
> 
> · The package is not lintian clean yet.
> 
> · In debian/changelog, there is no 'closes #203349' to close ITP bug
>   #203349.
> 
> · In debian/control, the short description shouldn't start with 'An'
>   and end with '.', see [1].
> 
> [1] 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-
practices..en.html#s-bpp-pkg-synopsis

Regards,

Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
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Re: tagging bugs "woody"?

2003-07-30 Thread Andreas Metzler

On 30.07.03 10:02 Frank Küster wrote:

Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:

Tagging them as "fixed,woody" sounds wrong to me, they'll be listed as
"closed in NMU" and will probably be rereported again.



Oh, does tagging "fixed" automatically result in that?


Yes, bugs listed on  http://bugs.debian.org/somepackages as "fixed by 
NMU" are exactly the ones with a "fixed" tag.



As far as I understood, a NMU is one possibility, but not the only one.


I've used it myself for NMUisms, i.e. if I found a bug in a negleted 
package that was fixed but not closed, I've tagged it as "fixed" instead 
of closing it, imvvvho the former is sometimes acceptable, while closing 
usually should be done by submitter or maintainer.

   cu andreas




Re: Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 17:42 +0200, Julien Barnier wrote:
> 2) The package seems correct, lintian doesn't give any message anymore.
> But dpkg-buildpackage didn't generate an "orig.tar.gz" and a
> "diff.tar.gz" files, but only a "tar.gz". Is it because I didn't change
> anything in the source code ?

Rename wmxmms_0.1.4-1.tar.gz to wmxmms_0.1.4-1.orig.tar.gz and
dpkg-buildpackage will generate the diff.tar.gz file.   

Aníbal
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Re: Sponsor for popfile

2003-07-30 Thread Bruno Rodrigues
Lucas Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> 
>I read the Debian Policy and didn't installed documentation in 
> "/usr/lib". What I did was move the html manual out of the main program 
> install dir and place it in "/usr/share/doc", but the web UI links to the 
> manual so I placed a symbolic link.
> 
>ln -fs /usr/share/doc/popfile/manual 
> $(DESTDIR)/usr/lib/popfile/manual

you can use dh_links and set:

echo usr/share/doc/popfile/manual usr/lib/popfile \
> debian/popfile.links




Re: Trying to make my first package...

2003-07-30 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:13:26AM +1000, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 17:42 +0200, Julien Barnier wrote:
> > 2) The package seems correct, lintian doesn't give any message anymore.
> > But dpkg-buildpackage didn't generate an "orig.tar.gz" and a
> > "diff.tar.gz" files, but only a "tar.gz". Is it because I didn't change
> > anything in the source code ?
> 
> Rename wmxmms_0.1.4-1.tar.gz to wmxmms_0.1.4-1.orig.tar.gz and
> dpkg-buildpackage will generate the diff.tar.gz file.   

Disregard that.

Your file wmxmms_0.1.4-1.tar.gz is not the original tar archive from the
upstream author. 

You need to rename the upstream original tar archive to:

wmxmms_0.1.4-1.orig.tar.gz

Regards,

Aníbal
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building unstable packages with stable

2003-07-30 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
I'm using sourceforge's compile farm and I'd like to know how to use it to
compile packages for unstable. They use woody. I also have an account on
HP's testdrive systems.

Is there any reasonably easy way to do this? I know that the buildd's can
take care of it, but I'd like to be able to do this myself.

Even if they have gcc 3.3 how would I specify that it should be used
instead of gcc 2.x (default 2.95.x on Woody)? I see that gcc-3.0 is
available for woody, but 3.3 isn't... I think I'm stuck as far as the c++
abi transition goes for using sf's compile farm.

 Drew Daniels



Re: building unstable packages with stable

2003-07-30 Thread Joshua Kwan
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 05:05:24PM -0500, Drew Scott Daniels wrote:
> I'm using sourceforge's compile farm and I'd like to know how to use it to
> compile packages for unstable. They use woody. I also have an account on
> HP's testdrive systems.

Bad idea. Your packages' first point of entry is unstable, so build and
test on an unstable box. And since you'll probably want to install
foreign dependencies etc., you should probably get a box at home to do
so so you don't have to wait for some admin to reply and install your
deps.

Building your packages on sourceforge will make them link against old
libraries that are not in unstable.

-Josh

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Re: building unstable packages with stable

2003-07-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 05:05:24PM -0500, Drew Scott Daniels wrote:
> I'm using sourceforge's compile farm and I'd like to know how to use it to
> compile packages for unstable. They use woody. I also have an account on
> HP's testdrive systems.

> Is there any reasonably easy way to do this? I know that the buildd's can
> take care of it, but I'd like to be able to do this myself.

No; and, moreover, you should not be relying on machines not under your
(or Debian's) control in order to build binary packages that will be
uploaded to the Debian archive.  Sourceforge has certainly been
compromised in the past, and remains a high profile target; I wouldn't
want to see it used as a conduit for getting compromised software into
Debian.

-- 
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer


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locale files

2003-07-30 Thread Neil Roeth
I maintain a package that provides a shared library, libosp3c102.  The files
/usr/share/locale/{ja,fr,de,sv}/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo are part of the package.
However, they are also part of the package that provided the older version of
the same shared library, libosp2.  When I try to install libosp3c102 on a
system that has libosp2 installed, I get an error: "trying to overwrite
`/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo', which is also in package libosp2".
I found that libgtk2.0-common and libgtk1.2-common versionize the locale
files, e.g., gtk20.mo and gtk+.mo, respectively.  I'm not certain that it was
done to solve the same problem, but it looks like that would work in my case.
Is there any reason not to do that?

-- 
Neil Roeth



Re: locale files

2003-07-30 Thread Paul . Hampson
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:23:14PM -0400, Neil Roeth wrote:
> I maintain a package that provides a shared library, libosp3c102.  The files
> /usr/share/locale/{ja,fr,de,sv}/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo are part of the package.
> However, they are also part of the package that provided the older version of
> the same shared library, libosp2.  When I try to install libosp3c102 on a
> system that has libosp2 installed, I get an error: "trying to overwrite
> `/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo', which is also in package libosp2".
> I found that libgtk2.0-common and libgtk1.2-common versionize the locale
> files, e.g., gtk20.mo and gtk+.mo, respectively.  I'm not certain that it was
> done to solve the same problem, but it looks like that would work in my case.
> Is there any reason not to do that?

Look up 'Replaces' in the policy or developer's guide or whatnot.

--
Paul "TBBle" Hampson



Re: locale files

2003-07-30 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:23:14PM -0400, Neil Roeth wrote:

> I maintain a package that provides a shared library, libosp3c102.  The files
> /usr/share/locale/{ja,fr,de,sv}/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo are part of the package.
> However, they are also part of the package that provided the older version of
> the same shared library, libosp2.  When I try to install libosp3c102 on a
> system that has libosp2 installed, I get an error: "trying to overwrite
> `/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/sp.mo', which is also in package libosp2".
> I found that libgtk2.0-common and libgtk1.2-common versionize the locale
> files, e.g., gtk20.mo and gtk+.mo, respectively.  I'm not certain that it was
> done to solve the same problem, but it looks like that would work in my case.
> Is there any reason not to do that?

You should either version the files, or move them into another package.
Versioning would seem to make more sense in the case of gettext data.  In
general, a shared library package must not contain any files which would
conflict with a later version of the same library.  Different versions of
the same shared library must not conflict with each other, so that the
library can be upgraded smoothly.

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 - mdz