Re: Possibly interested in

2005-04-12 Thread Michael Koch
On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 08:51:17PM -0400, Brett Meadors wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I am possibly interested in finding a sponsor.  I would like to help with
 documentation, or maybe help with PR.  I can provide more information if
 necessary.  I haven't written much documentation for Open source projects,
 but use words well and can provide a simple easy to read/use type
 documentation.  

People can only sponsor your for a package you have actually done.
Sponsoring means looking into a package you have created, checking it
and uploading it to the archive. When you look at a PR and give
additional informations you will need no sponsor.


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Re: Possibly interested in

2005-04-12 Thread Luk Claes
Brett Meadors wrote:
Hi,
Hi Brett
I am possibly interested in finding a sponsor.  I would like to help 
with documentation, or maybe help with PR.  I can provide more 
information if necessary.  I havent written much documentation for Open 
source projects, but use words well and can provide a simple easy to 
read/use type documentation. 
The best way to start is probably to contact debian-doc@lists.debian.org 
for documentation and [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PR.

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ITP: libqt4lab -- Qt4Lab widget plugins library

2005-04-12 Thread fboudra
 Package: wnpp
 Severity: wishlist
 Owner: Fathi BOUDRA [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 hi,

 I'm looking for a sponsor to my qt4lab package.
 qt4lab is an already promising project and collaborate
 with qwt project.

 You can find my package :
 http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/

 best regards,

 Fathi


 * Package name: libqt4lab
   Version : 0.1.1
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 * URL : http://www.qt4lab.org/
 * License : LGPL
   Description : Qt4Lab widget plugin library

  Qt4Lab is an extension to the Qt application framework from Trolltech.
  This project will be developed according to the Open Source philosophy
  and will be distributed under LGPL.
  Qt4Lab provides plugins and utilities for Rapid Application Prototyping
  for developing SCADA application.
  The application field is automotive/aerospace.

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ITA: log4cpp -- A C++ library for flexible logging

2005-04-12 Thread fboudra
hi,

i forgot to say that you can find my package here :
http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/

cheers,

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Re: Possibly interested in

2005-04-12 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Brett,

* Brett Meadors [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-04-12 07:53]:
 I am possibly interested in finding a sponsor.  I would like to help with
 documentation, or maybe help with PR.  I can provide more information if
 necessary.  I haven't written much documentation for Open source projects,
 but use words well and can provide a simple easy to read/use type
 documentation.

You only have to search a sponsor if you will upload a
package as a non dd.
If you want to help with documentation stuff, choose some
mailing lists from lists.debian.org
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Re: RFS: tinywm - Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-04-12 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi,


 The package files are available from http://www.hemamu.com/hemamu/debian/ .
 

I've looked at the directory.
I can point out that you have only created a Debian native package,

You will need an upstream file as 
../tinywm_1.3.orig.tar.gz when building.



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debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Hi,

The author of one of the packages I was packaging for
my own use has asked me to be the maintainer of the
debian's package. The problem that I found is that in
latest versions he includes his own version of
debian's directory inside the original tar.gz file as
you download it from the web.

I've tried to explain to him the reasons behind doing
it the proper way, with a diff file, but I don't think
I was able to do that too well. Quoting him: The
reason I added debian subdirectory is to distribute it
with the source files.

Any suggestions on how to deal with that?

Greetings,
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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Carlo Segre
It then becomes a native debian package with no -# revisions.
C.S.
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
Hi,
The author of one of the packages I was packaging for
my own use has asked me to be the maintainer of the
debian's package. The problem that I found is that in
latest versions he includes his own version of
debian's directory inside the original tar.gz file as
you download it from the web.
I've tried to explain to him the reasons behind doing
it the proper way, with a diff file, but I don't think
I was able to do that too well. Quoting him: The
reason I added debian subdirectory is to distribute it
with the source files.
Any suggestions on how to deal with that?
Greetings,
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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2044 +0200]:
 I've tried to explain to him the reasons behind doing
 it the proper way, with a diff file, but I don't think
 I was able to do that too well. Quoting him: The
 reason I added debian subdirectory is to distribute it
 with the source files.
 
 Any suggestions on how to deal with that?

Tell him that the ./debian directory has no value when the software
is available from the Debian archive and that you need to make
modifications to it frequently. Tell him to remove it from the
upstream tarball, which is how it's done almost everywhere.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Carlo Segre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2047 +0200]:
 It then becomes a native debian package with no -# revisions.

No, it does not necessarily. You can have an empty .diff.gz file,
which would make sense in this case.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Steve Halasz
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 20:44 +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
 Hi,
 
 The author of one of the packages I was packaging for
 my own use has asked me to be the maintainer of the
 debian's package. The problem that I found is that in
 latest versions he includes his own version of
 debian's directory inside the original tar.gz file as
 you download it from the web.
 
 I've tried to explain to him the reasons behind doing
 it the proper way, with a diff file, but I don't think
 I was able to do that too well. Quoting him: The
 reason I added debian subdirectory is to distribute it
 with the source files.
 
 Any suggestions on how to deal with that?

You could explain that distributing the debian dir in this way is
problematic because the debian files in the release will never be
up-to-date with respect to the release as you change things and
increment the debian revision. And the author isn't going to make a new
release for each debian revision.

In addition it makes your job harder because you are patching against an
out of date debian dir in the release. And it causes confusion for
others trying to build a deb who end up using out of date files in the
release (I have experienced this).

For one program I package upstream was anxious to have the debian dir in
CVS, but I was able to convince them to exclude it from the releases for
these reasons.

Steve

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Stefan Fritsch
Hi!

On Tuesday 12 April 2005 20:44, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
 The
 reason I added debian subdirectory is to distribute it
 with the source files.

 Any suggestions on how to deal with that?

For sam2p I created my own orig.tar.gz with the debian subdirectory 
renamed to debian.dist. I don't delete it because the upstream 
changelog is in there (installed with dh_installchangelogs 
debian.dist/changelog).

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Tuesday 12 April 2005 21.16, martin f krafft wrote:
 also sprach Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2044 +0200]:
  I've tried to explain to him the reasons behind doing
  it the proper way, with a diff file, but I don't think
  I was able to do that too well. Quoting him: The
  reason I added debian subdirectory is to distribute it
  with the source files.
 
  Any suggestions on how to deal with that?

 Tell him that the ./debian directory has no value when the software
 is available from the Debian archive and that you need to make
 modifications to it frequently. Tell him to remove it from the
 upstream tarball, which is how it's done almost everywhere.

I think having the debian/ directory in the upstream source makes sense if 
the packager works closely with the upstream author (or is the same), 
ideally the package maintainer should have write access to upstream's scm 
tool.  It is only problematic when upstream ships an outdated debian/ 
directory.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Stefan Fritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2109 +0200]:
 For sam2p I created my own orig.tar.gz with the debian subdirectory 
 renamed to debian.dist.

Then it's not .orig anymore. The MD5 sum will differ.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2135 +0200]:
 I think having the debian/ directory in the upstream source makes
 sense if the packager works closely with the upstream author (or
 is the same), ideally the package maintainer should have write
 access to upstream's scm tool.  It is only problematic when
 upstream ships an outdated debian/ directory.

Sure, but there is no point in having ./debian available upstream.
It's backwards.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Apr 12, 2005 4:44 PM, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sure, but there is no point in having ./debian available upstream.
 It's backwards.

It makes sense for software developers to have their own ./debian
directory so that they can use debian/rules binary to compile and test
their software while developing it.

What does not make a lot of sense is to release the .tar.gz with the
./debian directory, as Steve Halasz said, it's perfectly valid to have
it in CVS the important point would be to convince them not to include
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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12. +0200]:
 It makes sense for software developers to have their own ./debian
 directory so that they can use debian/rules binary to compile and
 test their software while developing it.

Huh? Why not just use ./Makefile?

 What does not make a lot of sense is to release the .tar.gz with
 the ./debian directory, as Steve Halasz said, it's perfectly valid
 to have it in CVS the important point would be to convince them
 not to include it in the release.

I disagree. ./debian is the domain of the Debian maintainer, not of
the upstream. Unless you are developing software *for* *Debian*
(native), there is no reason why you should bother with ./debian at
all.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Steve Halasz
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:40 +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
 also sprach Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12. +0200]:
  It makes sense for software developers to have their own ./debian
  directory so that they can use debian/rules binary to compile and
  test their software while developing it.
 
 Huh? Why not just use ./Makefile?
 
  What does not make a lot of sense is to release the .tar.gz with
  the ./debian directory, as Steve Halasz said, it's perfectly valid
  to have it in CVS the important point would be to convince them
  not to include it in the release.
 
 I disagree. ./debian is the domain of the Debian maintainer, not of
 the upstream. Unless you are developing software *for* *Debian*
 (native), there is no reason why you should bother with ./debian at
 all.

In my case some upstream developers were debian users who liked to be
able to build debs from CVS. This has been helpful since they can make
sure the app will work ok in debian before they release. It's not
strictly necessary, but I'm glad they're thinking of Debian and don't
want to discourage them.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Halasz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2249 +0200]:
 In my case some upstream developers were debian users who liked to
 be able to build debs from CVS. This has been helpful since they
 can make sure the app will work ok in debian before they release.
 It's not strictly necessary, but I'm glad they're thinking of
 Debian and don't want to discourage them.

Well, then they should be using branches.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
martin f krafft wrote:
What does not make a lot of sense is to release the .tar.gz with
the ./debian directory, as Steve Halasz said, it's perfectly valid
to have it in CVS the important point would be to convince them
not to include it in the release.
   

I disagree. ./debian is the domain of the Debian maintainer, not of
the upstream. Unless you are developing software *for* *Debian*
(native), there is no reason why you should bother with ./debian at
all.
 

What about the case in which the upstream maintainer is the Debian 
maintainer? I create packages for a piece of sofware I've written (and 
for which I'm looking a sponsor, see 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/04/msg00106.html ). The 
debian/ directory is in CVS, naturally. It is currently distributed in 
the .tar.gz file. Should it be removed? This would make things more 
difficult for me, because in the case of a new version, I would need to 
untar the new .tar.gz file and then copy the debian/ directory from CVS.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that martin f krafft may or may not have written...

 also sprach Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.
 +0200]:
 It makes sense for software developers to have their own ./debian
 directory so that they can use debian/rules binary to compile and test
 their software while developing it.

 Huh? Why not just use ./Makefile?

I use both in gxine: debian/rules to get a known good version of the
package built and installed, then Makefile (with modified source) to build a
modified executable which can use the installed files.

 What does not make a lot of sense is to release the .tar.gz with the
 ./debian directory, as Steve Halasz said, it's perfectly valid to have it
 in CVS the important point would be to convince them not to include it in
 the release.

 I disagree. ./debian is the domain of the Debian maintainer, not of the
 upstream. Unless you are developing software *for* *Debian* (native), there
 is no reason why you should bother with ./debian at all.

That's a matter for the Debian maintainer and upstream. All that I can say is
that I've marked bugs as fixed in the Debian changelog without there being
any complaint...

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 06:27:52PM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
 I disagree. ./debian is the domain of the Debian maintainer, not of
 the upstream. Unless you are developing software *for* *Debian*
 (native), there is no reason why you should bother with ./debian at
 all.
 
 What about the case in which the upstream maintainer is the Debian 
 maintainer? I create packages for a piece of sofware I've written (and 
 for which I'm looking a sponsor, see 
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/04/msg00106.html ). The 
 debian/ directory is in CVS, naturally. It is currently distributed in 
 the .tar.gz file. Should it be removed? This would make things more 
 difficult for me, because in the case of a new version, I would need to 
 untar the new .tar.gz file and then copy the debian/ directory from CVS.

Well that's the way it is. Consider someone will fill bugreport stating
that you have a typo in your package description. Having native package you
will have to upload whole new source.tar.gz. Having Debian packaging
infrastructure in diff.gz you will have to reupload only this part.

Developing software != making Debian packages. At least in general.
SuSE, Fedora, Mandrake, Slackware, put anything here won't use your
debian/* stuff so why do you want to include it in your releases?
For Debian users? They'll use Debian OFFICIAL package. If you don't have
official package then... that's not a case here.

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The debian directory in upstream sources.

2005-04-12 Thread Matthijs Mohlmann
Hi all,

It seems a hard problem to understand what a native and a non-native
debian package is. And get through the trouble if upstream provide a
debian directory in the source. I'll try to explain:

1. Non-Native Debian Package

A non-native debian source package contains a dsc, diff.gz and a
orig.tar.gz file.

The version for a non-native debian package looks like
UpstreamVersion-DebianVersion for example: 2.8-1

In the dsc file contains fields containing information about the debian
package it also contains information about the md5sums of the files.

In the diff.gz:
These are the modifications you made to the package. It contains the
debian directory and the modifications you made to the source tree, if
you make use of some patch system like dpatch you have only the debian
directory in it.

In the orig.tar.gz:
This is the upstream tarball. Never ever make changes to this tarball,
they should go into the diff.gz.

2. Native Debian Package:

The Version number for a debian native package is only the version, it
doesn't have a debian revision number or something, it looks like: 2.8

A native package contains only a dsc and a orig.tar.gz file.

Native debian packages are often accidentally built when upstream
tarball (.orig.tar.gz) is named incorrectly.

3. When using a native and when using a non-native debian package

But when using a native package and when a non-native package:
If upstream is not actively involved to debian development then it's
non-native debian package. A few examples of normal packages are: libc6,
apache, phpmyadmin. But linda, lintian, dpkg and some other tools are
purely developed for debian.

4. Now the big problem:

It seems that upstream has an debian directory. With upstream i mean the
people who write the source code and maintain it. Most of the time these
packages are faulty, they have lintian/linda errors and such. It is hard
to modify the debian directory. (Specially for New Maintainers)

What to do in this situation: Ask upstream that they remove or rename
the directory to something else. Or ask them to remove the debian
directory from the released source (so that the orig.tar.gz doesn't
contain the debian directory). Last option: you can ask for repository
access. So that you can work on a real debian package.

I hope this will explain a little bit about native and non native debian
packages.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2327 +0200]:
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/04/msg00106.html ). The 
 debian/ directory is in CVS, naturally. 

Use a branch!

 It is currently distributed in the .tar.gz file. Should it be
 removed?

Yes, in my opinion. Keep it in a separate branch.

 This would make things more difficult for me, because in the case
 of a new version, I would need to untar the new .tar.gz file and
 then copy the debian/ directory from CVS.

An alternative is to keep it in the tarball and create an empty
.diff.gz. This may be okay if maintainer == author. However, if the
author is upstream, it makes no sense.

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Re: The debian directory in upstream sources.

2005-04-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matthijs Mohlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.04.12.2351 +0200]:
 A native package contains only a dsc and a orig.tar.gz file.

Actually, it's not called .orig.tar.gz, just .tar.gz

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Sources with missing dependencies

2005-04-12 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello,

for some hours I have tried to compile a SARGE source under SARGE
with:

8
SARGE base-install
apt-get install build-essential fakeroot

apt-get build-dep package
apt-get source package

cd package

$EDIT debian/changelog

dpkg-buildpackage ...
8

and now it stops, because missing build dependencies.

Now two quesions:

1)  What should I do in such situation?

Write a BUG report against the package ?


2)  How does buildd handel such situation?

I have clients which must run STABLE for security reason but need
sometimes backports from selected software. If a new version apear,
my 'tdautobuilder' download automaticly the sources and build it
for STABLE...  No need to do it manualy...  Now it had stoped!!!


Note:   I have never had such problem with my own packages because I
have all build-depencies declared.

Good night, we hear us in 6-8 hours...
It was a long day.
Michelle


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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Hubert Chan
 Stefan == Stefan Fritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[...]

Stefan For sam2p I created my own orig.tar.gz with the debian
Stefan subdirectory renamed to debian.dist. I don't delete it because
Stefan the upstream changelog is in there (installed with
Stefan dh_installchangelogs debian.dist/changelog).

Tell your upstream to move his changelog.  There isn't any reason for it
to be there.  The debian directory is for things specific to the Debian
package.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Hubert Chan
 martin == martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[...]

martin Tell him that the ./debian directory has no value when the
martin software is available from the Debian archive and that you need
martin to make modifications to it frequently. ...

It may be of value to users of stable who want to make their own package
of the latest version of the software for some reason.

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Re: debian directory included in upstream

2005-04-12 Thread Hubert Chan
 Miriam == Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Miriam Hi, The author of one of the packages I was packaging for my own
Miriam use has asked me to be the maintainer of the debian's
Miriam package. The problem that I found is that in latest versions he
Miriam includes his own version of debian's directory inside the
Miriam original tar.gz file as you download it from the web.

I have an upstream who did that -- he took my debian directory, and
stuck it in his source tree, and he syncs once in a while.  I just
maintain as I normally do, and the diff file includes a diff of my
debian directory against upstream's.

The success of such an approach will depend on how much your upstream's
debian directory differs from your own.  In my own case, since my
upstream uses my debian directory, it isn't very problematic; the diff
usually just adds a few lines to the changelog, so it's a pretty clean
diff.  If your upstream absolutely insists on including a debian
directory, you can ask that he uses your debian directory instead of
using his own.  Since he has asked you to be the Debian maintainer, I
assume that shouldn't be much of a problem.

Miriam Quoting him: The reason I added debian subdirectory is to
Miriam distribute it with the source files.

You can then ask him why he needs/wants to distribute it with the source
files.

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