[Update] Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 13:14, Stan Vasilyev wrote: > I have a situation with a Debian package xdialog: > http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdialog.html > > The upstream author, Thierry Godefroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, insists on keeping > the debian changes inside the upstream tarball, orig.tar.gz. This > complicates the development process. First of all, when he makes a new > version of xdialog, he sends it to the Debian maintainer (me). I then have > to make changes to the debian directory and send him the changes. Finally, > he releases the new upstream with Debian changes already included. From the last e-mail I got from Thierry it looks like he wants to make a compromise. Since I annoyed him so much with my e-mails, he proposed to start releasing Xdialog in two versions: Xdialog-version.tar.bz2 file with debian directory and Xdialog-version.orig.tar.gz without the debian directory. Is that such a good idea? At this point he thinks that Debian developers are a bunch of political fanatics who only care about the holy Debian Policy Manual and don't care about other distros. Oh, misunderstandings... Regards, Stan Vasilyev
Re: [Update] Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?
On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 07:30:22PM -0800, Stan Vasilyev wrote: > From the last e-mail I got from Thierry it looks like he wants to make a > compromise. Since I annoyed him so much with my e-mails, he proposed to start > releasing Xdialog in two versions: Xdialog-version.tar.bz2 file with debian > directory and Xdialog-version.orig.tar.gz without the debian directory. Is > that such a good idea? I don't see a reason to have a version with a debian directory, but if he insists on having that, this sounds like a good compromise. > At this point he thinks that Debian developers are a bunch of political > fanatics who only care about the holy Debian Policy Manual and don't care > about other distros. Oh, misunderstandings... Well, some of us[1] are. ;-) Anyway, personally I think that Debian users benefit a lot from the policy, because they know what to expect from packages. I really don't see why the (unwritten) policy of "don't bother others with your distribution-specific stuff" is offensive for those others.[2] Well, it would be nice if you could make him think less negative about us. :-) You seem to be doing a good job at least in getting results. Keep it up! Thanks, Bas [1] I'm not an official Debian Developer, but I do consider myself a Debian developer (mind the lowercase 'd'). [2] Note that I do think having a debian directory in cvs (or svn, or whatever they use) is useful, if it is maintained. It just shouldn't be in the release tarball. -- I encourage people to send encrypted e-mail (see http://www.gnupg.org). If you have problems reading my e-mail, use a better reader. Please send the central message of e-mails as plain text in the message body, not as HTML and definitely not as MS Word. Please do not use the MS Word format for attachments either. For more information, see http://129.125.47.90/e-mail.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Update] Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?
Am Donnerstag, den 26.01.2006, 19:30 -0800 schrieb Stan Vasilyev: > On Tuesday 24 January 2006 13:14, Stan Vasilyev wrote: > > I have a situation with a Debian package xdialog: > > http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdialog.html > > > > The upstream author, Thierry Godefroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, insists on > > keeping > > the debian changes inside the upstream tarball, orig.tar.gz. This > > complicates the development process. First of all, when he makes a new > > version of xdialog, he sends it to the Debian maintainer (me). I then have > > to make changes to the debian directory and send him the changes. Finally, > > he releases the new upstream with Debian changes already included. > > From the last e-mail I got from Thierry it looks like he wants to make a > compromise. Since I annoyed him so much with my e-mails, he proposed to start > releasing Xdialog in two versions: Xdialog-version.tar.bz2 file with debian > directory and Xdialog-version.orig.tar.gz without the debian directory. Is > that such a good idea? It's a compromise with more work for him. > At this point he thinks that Debian developers are a bunch of political > fanatics who only care about the holy Debian Policy Manual and don't care > about other distros. Why we "don't care about other distros"? The Debian packaging files you wrote are based on your decisions for Debian _only_, not for all Debian based distributions. So forcing others to use your packaging files is what I call "don't care about other distributions". Or whyy should the source package on RedHat or Mandriva contain the Debian packaging files? They are completely useless there but they increase the archive size. I really don't understand this position. Regards, Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
