Re: Documenting new upstream version in ‘debian /changelog’

2009-04-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Ryan Niebur ryanrya...@gmail.com writes:
 On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:31:35AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:

 I wholeheartedly agree with this, and would go further: even if there
 are no Debian BTS reports to close, you should *still* give the
 highlights of a new upstream version in the ‘debian/changelog’.
 
 I'm utterly uninformed by a bare “New upstream release.”; of course
 it's a new upstream release, I can already see that from the version
 number. This is a changelog, tell me *what changed* in this new
 upstream version.

 I don't see the need for this. For most packages upstream's changelog
 is installed in /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE/, which will (hopefully)
 explain all you need to know.

The upstream changelog isn't displayed by apt-listchanges, so is much,
much less useful.  It's also often pretty bad, either including way more
details than the average user cares about or including almost nothing.

I'm with Ben; I try to summarize major changes for all of my packages
that are likely to affect users in the Debian changelog.  I don't always
manage, but I try.

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Re: Documenting new upstream version in ‘debian /changelog’

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Ryan Niebur ryanrya...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi,
 
 On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:31:35AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
  I wholeheartedly agree with this, and would go further: even if
  there are no Debian BTS reports to close, you should *still* give
  the highlights of a new upstream version in the ‘debian/changelog’.
 
 I don't see the need for this. For most packages upstream's changelog
 is installed in /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE/, which will (hopefully)
 explain all you need to know.

Not if I'm trying to see what has changed *before* installing the
package.

With many of the Debian package manager tools (apt-listchanges,
aptitude, maybe Synaptic?, even the packages.qa.debian.org site) I can
see ‘debian/changelog’ before making the decision to install or not. If
all I see there is “New upstream version” I am no wiser as to what new
upstream changes will rock my system.

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