Re: ITH! webalizer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-09-2010 18:11, Julien Viard de Galbert wrote: > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 08:10:19PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) > wrote: [...] >> First, I would have appreciate if you had contacted me privately first. > > Please accept my apology for not doing so, and being so rude and stupid. It's OK, we all made mistakes, the important thing is that you should learn something from this incident and improve your communication in future interactions, with me or other peers. [...] >> Finally, I do have plans for Wheezy, same I had for Lenny and Squeeze, >> and I do think there is a chance I will miss them again. When I first >> adopted it a few years ago, I started working upstream, that's why >> after several years webalizer got a new upstream, then Real Life (tm) >> kicked my ass and I couldn't promote the changes I wanted to the Debian >> package. > > OK, thanks for your kind response to my rude way of asking. You are welcome. [...] > Well you don't look to angry at me, maybe we can discuss privately on > ways to maintain webalizer (maybe co-maintain it via alioth ?) But I > had to apologize publicly. Sure, I don't think we need a special project on Alioth. Simply using collab-maint via SVN or git would suffice. And indeed, you can contact me privately about your work plan. > Real Life has given me some time now and finding interesting packages to > work on is hard... but I really want to invest it on debian. ACK. > I've been stupid, please don't let this rude introduction ruin our view > of each other. I shouldn't have looked to a single package to estimate > you, and obviously I was wrong. No problem. > By reading your mail, it looks like you're still giving me a chance, > so thank you ! You're welcome. Kind regards, - -- Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) Debian. Freedom to code. Code to freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyNn/QACgkQCjAO0JDlykZmmACfezVH6+xUQ/PvZOOZ/HMtz27A jkUAn0TW4Th6tVniDGTjHZibnp1ZSSzm =7i7T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c8d9ff6.90...@debian.org
Re: ITH! webalizer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-09-2010 01:45, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: >>> I'm aware that squeeze is frozen, so any package I could prepare would >>> go to experimental. >> >> webalizer is not in testing, it can be uploaded to unstable, and then >> be made available thru backports. > Webalizer IS in testing: > > http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=webalizer&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all > > And I'd say, lucky it is, because many rely on it (including myself). > So, no, an upload to SID isn't a good idea at all right now !!! Please > don't. Hmmm, my bad. I had this strange impression that it was kicked out testing a while ago. Indeed, a lot of people rely on it, I will take a look and try even harder to update it, certainly not for Squeeze as a regular package but much likely via backports. Kind regards, - -- Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) Debian. Freedom to code. Code to freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyNbTIACgkQCjAO0JDlykYsSgCfdD7Cd2Qxs1j18ZYE+T2Sw25w faMAoIo9KYgZQER4yFQUS4OcNixuGrHe =PKGG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c8d6d34.4040...@debian.org
Re: ITH! webalizer
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 08:10:19PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10-09-2010 09:52, Julien Viard de Galbert wrote: > > First, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (current maintainer) if you have plans > > for Wheezy, please tell me so, if not, why don't you fill and RFH or RFA > > ? > > First, I would have appreciate if you had contacted me privately first. > Please accept my apology for not doing so, and being so rude and stupid. > Second, I didn't fill a RFH or RFA because of that idea a lot of us > have: next week I will be able to fulfill my plans and work on this or > that. Not because I don't want people to work on that package. > Fair. > Finally, I do have plans for Wheezy, same I had for Lenny and Squeeze, > and I do think there is a chance I will miss them again. When I first > adopted it a few years ago, I started working upstream, that's why > after several years webalizer got a new upstream, then Real Life (tm) > kicked my ass and I couldn't promote the changes I wanted to the Debian > package. > OK, thanks for your kind response to my rude way of asking. > > > So in case Felipe Augusto van de Wiel never answers, this is an Intent > > To Hijack ;) the webalizer package. > > You would find out that I'm rather active and replying rather quickly. > Well actually I found out you were member of RT shortly after sending the mail... but it was kind of too late, and I felt too stupid to find anything to do about it. > > > le the upstream was inactive for several years there are new releases > > now. A bug about this is open [2] since July 2008. And does not show > > much recent interest from the maintainer. > > 2: http://bugs.debian.org/491200 > > I do have an updated version of the package that dates back of late > 2008, which needs to be updated to be any useful. > > > > I feel what I'm currently doing is kind of rude, > > It is rude. > I plead guilty... > > > however webalizer deserve a better packaging. > > That's also true. > > > > I'm running my personal server at home for > > several years now so I keeps the logs (Eben Molgen explained why this is > > important) but If you want to have a look at what's in your log, then > > webalizer already does a great job for you. > > > > I'm currently learning the debian work and find it particularly > > difficult to start during freeze time... I'm going to need mentors and > > sponsor for that. So I did sent copy of this email to mentors for wise > > advices and a few other people that have shown interest in the package, > > sorry if it bothers you guys. > > Webalizer package is not really easy to upgrade for somebody starting > now because it requires some nitpicking to clean the old way of deal > with things and migrate to the new upstream format. > > > > My plan is: > > - wait a little for response > > - prepare a new package of the new version using format 3.0 quilt > > - check all patch from previous debian package > > - check all patch on the bts > > - check all remaining bugs on the bts > > - fill an RFS > > I don't mind seeing you doing the work, but indeed I would prefer > somebody more experienced. Anyway, I would even sponsor and guide > you thru the process. I don't mind somebody else adopting it > either. > > Right now I'm in the process of rearranging my time around Debian > because of Release Team work, webalizer is one of the packages I > like (even if I let it got in such bad state). :-( > > That's pretty much it. :) > Well you don't look to angry at me, maybe we can discuss privately on ways to maintain webalizer (maybe co-maintain it via alioth ?) But I had to apologize publicly. Real Life has given me some time now and finding interesting packages to work on is hard... but I really want to invest it on debian. I've been stupid, please don't let this rude introduction ruin our view of each other. I shouldn't have looked to a single package to estimate you, and obviously I was wrong. By reading your mail, it looks like you're still giving me a chance, so thank you ! Best Regards -- Julien Viard de Galbert http://silicone.homelinux.org/ GPG Key ID: D00E52B6 Published on: hkp://keys.gnupg.net Key Fingerprint: E312 A31D BEC3 74CC C49E 6D69 8B30 6538 D00E 52B6 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ITH! webalizer
Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > > I'm aware that squeeze is frozen, so any package I could prepare would > > go to experimental. > > webalizer is not in testing, it can be uploaded to unstable, and then > be made available thru backports. > > Kind regards, Webalizer IS in testing: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=webalizer&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all And I'd say, lucky it is, because many rely on it (including myself). So, no, an upload to SID isn't a good idea at all right now !!! Please don't. Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c8c5aec.6090...@debian.org
Re: ITH! webalizer
Julien Viard de Galbert writes: > First, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (current maintainer) if you have > plans for Wheezy, please tell me so, if not, why don't you fill and > RFH or RFA ? It appears this is the first time you've tried to contact Felipe over this issue. Why are you announcing an Intent To Hijack at the same time? That makes the assumption that you already know the response. > I feel what I'm currently doing is kind of rude […] Yes, because of the above assumption. > My plan is: > - wait a little for response > - prepare a new package of the new version using format 3.0 quilt > - check all patch from previous debian package > - check all patch on the bts > - check all remaining bugs on the bts All of this can be done without announcing an Intent To Hijack. If you keep the BTS in the conversation at each step, then the maintainer has plenty of opportunity during this process to acknowledge your work and forestall the ITH. > - fill an RFS This should go to the current maintainer in the first instance, until you know that they're inactive on the package. -- \ “My, your, his, hers, ours, theirs, its. I'm, you're, he's, | `\ she's, we're, they're, it's.” —anonymous, alt.sysadmin.recovery | _o__) | Ben Finney pgptXtFy7H6un.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ITH! webalizer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10-09-2010 09:52, Julien Viard de Galbert wrote: > First, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (current maintainer) if you have plans > for Wheezy, please tell me so, if not, why don't you fill and RFH or RFA > ? First, I would have appreciate if you had contacted me privately first. Second, I didn't fill a RFH or RFA because of that idea a lot of us have: next week I will be able to fulfill my plans and work on this or that. Not because I don't want people to work on that package. Finally, I do have plans for Wheezy, same I had for Lenny and Squeeze, and I do think there is a chance I will miss them again. When I first adopted it a few years ago, I started working upstream, that's why after several years webalizer got a new upstream, then Real Life (tm) kicked my ass and I couldn't promote the changes I wanted to the Debian package. > So in case Felipe Augusto van de Wiel never answers, this is an Intent > To Hijack ;) the webalizer package. You would find out that I'm rather active and replying rather quickly. > le the upstream was inactive for several years there are new releases > now. A bug about this is open [2] since July 2008. And does not show > much recent interest from the maintainer. > 2: http://bugs.debian.org/491200 I do have an updated version of the package that dates back of late 2008, which needs to be updated to be any useful. > I feel what I'm currently doing is kind of rude, It is rude. > however webalizer deserve a better packaging. That's also true. > I'm running my personal server at home for > several years now so I keeps the logs (Eben Molgen explained why this is > important) but If you want to have a look at what's in your log, then > webalizer already does a great job for you. > > I'm currently learning the debian work and find it particularly > difficult to start during freeze time... I'm going to need mentors and > sponsor for that. So I did sent copy of this email to mentors for wise > advices and a few other people that have shown interest in the package, > sorry if it bothers you guys. Webalizer package is not really easy to upgrade for somebody starting now because it requires some nitpicking to clean the old way of deal with things and migrate to the new upstream format. > My plan is: > - wait a little for response > - prepare a new package of the new version using format 3.0 quilt > - check all patch from previous debian package > - check all patch on the bts > - check all remaining bugs on the bts > - fill an RFS I don't mind seeing you doing the work, but indeed I would prefer somebody more experienced. Anyway, I would even sponsor and guide you thru the process. I don't mind somebody else adopting it either. Right now I'm in the process of rearranging my time around Debian because of Release Team work, webalizer is one of the packages I like (even if I let it got in such bad state). :-( That's pretty much it. :) > I'm aware that squeeze is frozen, so any package I could prepare would > go to experimental. webalizer is not in testing, it can be uploaded to unstable, and then be made available thru backports. Kind regards, - -- Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) Debian. Freedom to code. Code to freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyMDFkACgkQCjAO0JDlykaBowCgzWn0x4Il+JDf/CG15CStrT3p SGUAnRVNGURu76NpPdpr8NquJiUMr2+R =qztT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c8c0c5b.9060...@debian.org
ITH! webalizer
First, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (current maintainer) if you have plans for Wheezy, please tell me so, if not, why don't you fill and RFH or RFA ? So in case Felipe Augusto van de Wiel never answers, this is an Intent To Hijack ;) the webalizer package. Here is about why: The package has been uploaded only once by it's current maintainer: let the changelog [1] speaks. Current version is 2.01.10-32.7, so there was seven NMU to bring it there... 1: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/w/webalizer/current/changelog | webalizer (2.01.10-32) unstable; urgency=low | | * New Maintainer. (Closes: #407676). | * Acknowledge NMU (2.01.10-31.1), thanks Christian. (Closes: #403415, | #404180, #398840, #399063, #399081, #401621, #401805). | | -- Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) Sun, 21 Jan 2007 02:19:53 -0200 le the upstream was inactive for several years there are new releases now. A bug about this is open [2] since July 2008. And does not show much recent interest from the maintainer. 2: http://bugs.debian.org/491200 I feel what I'm currently doing is kind of rude, however webalizer deserve a better packaging. I'm running my personal server at home for several years now so I keeps the logs (Eben Molgen explained why this is important) but If you want to have a look at what's in your log, then webalizer already does a great job for you. I'm currently learning the debian work and find it particularly difficult to start during freeze time... I'm going to need mentors and sponsor for that. So I did sent copy of this email to mentors for wise advices and a few other people that have shown interest in the package, sorry if it bothers you guys. My plan is: - wait a little for response - prepare a new package of the new version using format 3.0 quilt - check all patch from previous debian package - check all patch on the bts - check all remaining bugs on the bts - fill an RFS I'm aware that squeeze is frozen, so any package I could prepare would go to experimental. Best Regards -- Julien Viard de Galbert http://silicone.homelinux.org/ GPG Key ID: D00E52B6 Published on: hkp://keys.gnupg.net Key Fingerprint: E312 A31D BEC3 74CC C49E 6D69 8B30 6538 D00E 52B6 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
