Re: Is there a public-facing page of the various autobuilders ? more specifically hardware specs.

2012-02-21 Thread shirish शिरीष 
in-line :-

2012/2/21 Ansgar Burchardt :
> Hi,
>
> I think -project@ might be a better list for this.
>
> On 02/21/2012 03:14 PM, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>> The info. I'm looking for  is the physical infrastructure as to the
>> kinda specs (hardware specs of the machines) on the network are and if
>> they are located at diverse locations (or not).
>
> [DB] has a list of machines in use by Debian, you want to look for hosts
> which have listed "buildd" purpose.  For bandwidth usage, you could try
> the munin instance maintained by DSA [MUNIN]; access details can be
> found on [DSA].
>
>  [DB] 
>  [MUNIN] 
>  [DSA] 

Dear Angsar,
   First of all thanx for replying.  I feel I should have given a
bit more info about the day-long event . Its basically an event
targeted towards college-students and IT Professionals. The crowd
would probably be an eclectic crowd of the two.  (
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/DebianUtsav2012 - please see the
third entry.) . The idea is to generate awareness about Debian as an
OS as well as hopefully get few people interested in packaging and
maintaining packages and all.


I had seen [DB]  and then promptly
forgot about it.

I am not looking for real-time stats, at the same time I do not want
to put a request as that would include having to be secure about a
pair of SSH keys and it would just be complicated for me (a bit of a
long story) . What would suffice is if its possible to get some sort
of random snapshot of bandwidth usage (say either during when Squeeze
was released) or any of the snapshots or during some transitions when
something interesting happened. If there are such graphs (preferably)
or pie-charts which are accessible to public (or either in public
domain) it would be nice. This of course depends on munin keeping and
having historical records of all the stats which in itself would be
quite an undertaking. Have no idea if munin does this.

>> I do know that there is a mailing list dedicated for DD,DM's
>> wanna-build [04] but am not sure if my query would be entertained
>> there (as I'm no DD,DM or even a package uploader, just an interested
>> user who uses stuff from Debian).
>
> Just try asking them, most people don't bite (or at least not too hard).
> You might also be interested in [ORG] and [TEAMS] which has a bit more
> information.
>
>  [ORG] 
>  [TEAMS] 

Looked at both of them, nice.

>> (Have no idea for instance if autobuilders have direct access to the
>> archive [05] and if they don't what kind of bandwidth is needed. I do
>> know that in the past vendors like HP and others have donated machines
>> for autobuilding and things.
>
> Hmm, I am not sure if there is much documentation about this, but as far
> as I know buildds usually have access to the archive (they can use
> mirrors as well), including packages not yet pushed to the mirror
> network (similar to [INCOMING] but with signed Packages indices for use
> with APT).
>
>  [INCOMING] 

Actually what would be nice if there is some kind of (even if its a
bit incorrect/historical) block diagram which tells how the whole
thing flows.

> Regards,
> Ansgar

Interested to know more. Thanx again.
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Re: Is there a public-facing page of the various autobuilders ? more specifically hardware specs.

2012-02-21 Thread Ansgar Burchardt 
Hi,

I think -project@ might be a better list for this.

On 02/21/2012 03:14 PM, shirish शिरीष wrote:
> The info. I'm looking for  is the physical infrastructure as to the
> kinda specs (hardware specs of the machines) on the network are and if
> they are located at diverse locations (or not).

[DB] has a list of machines in use by Debian, you want to look for hosts
which have listed "buildd" purpose.  For bandwidth usage, you could try
the munin instance maintained by DSA [MUNIN]; access details can be
found on [DSA].

  [DB] 
  [MUNIN] 
  [DSA] 

> I do know that there is a mailing list dedicated for DD,DM's
> wanna-build [04] but am not sure if my query would be entertained
> there (as I'm no DD,DM or even a package uploader, just an interested
> user who uses stuff from Debian).

Just try asking them, most people don't bite (or at least not too hard).
You might also be interested in [ORG] and [TEAMS] which has a bit more
information.

  [ORG] 
  [TEAMS] 

> (Have no idea for instance if autobuilders have direct access to the
> archive [05] and if they don't what kind of bandwidth is needed. I do
> know that in the past vendors like HP and others have donated machines
> for autobuilding and things.

Hmm, I am not sure if there is much documentation about this, but as far
as I know buildds usually have access to the archive (they can use
mirrors as well), including packages not yet pushed to the mirror
network (similar to [INCOMING] but with signed Packages indices for use
with APT).

  [INCOMING] 

Regards,
Ansgar


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Re: Is there a public-facing page of the various autobuilders ? more specifically hardware specs.

2012-02-21 Thread shirish शिरीष 
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2012/2/21 shirish शिरीष :
> Unfortunately though, most of the URI's shared don't  seem to get/have
> a public-facing webpage . For instance to take the above e.g. both
> [09] [10]  and don't seem to have a public-facing webpage via browser.

Did get my answer https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi , it does not
have any stats but good enough to show off :)
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Is there a public-facing page of the various autobuilders ? more specifically hardware specs.

2012-02-21 Thread shirish शिरीष 
Hi all,
First of all I'm not a coder or a developer in anyway. So sorry
for butting onto the mailing list like this but don't know any place
better. So please either tell/share if there is a better mailing list
for the same or answer it here. Please CC me in replies as I'm not
subscribed to the list.

We have an event happening this week-end [01] . For this event we have
scheduled a talk about some of the
back-end of Debian with a topic about the Debian infrastructure (i.e.
autobuilders,the mirrors, package builders and so on).

I have seen couple [02] [03] of webpages and while those are great
pages in themselves as people have an idea about which packages are
failing, are uninstallable and so on and so forth, is there a public
page where some of the info. about the autobuilders themselves can be
had.

The info. I'm looking for  is the physical infrastructure as to the
kinda specs (hardware specs of the machines) on the network are and if
they are located at diverse locations (or not).

I do know that there is a mailing list dedicated for DD,DM's
wanna-build [04] but am not sure if my query would be entertained
there (as I'm no DD,DM or even a package uploader, just an interested
user who uses stuff from Debian).

The page I would be looking for could be a wiki page or just a landing
page which is not connected in anyway to the infrastructure but is
just there to inform the public-at-large the kind of infrastructure
Debian needs/uses in order to give us the service (i.e. the all the
packages/goodies.) It would be nice if it also gave some sort of idea
as to the nature of bandwidth needed for those services to function.
(Have no idea for instance if autobuilders have direct access to the
archive [05] and if they don't what kind of bandwidth is needed. I do
know that in the past vendors like HP and others have donated machines
for autobuilding and things. I also do remember seeing Stefano
Zacchiroli's e-mail when he does share some tit-bits as he did couple
of months ago[06] .  I do know that there is also a team called DSA
which actually oversees all of this [07] but don't really know how to
connect with them.

Its also possible that such a service does exist only I'm not aware of them.

I have seen for instance announces which share about recent/joined
autobuilders and developer machines such as the one for GNU/Hurd in
the recent past [08]

Unfortunately though, most of the URI's shared don't  seem to get/have
a public-facing webpage . For instance to take the above e.g. both
[09] [10]  and don't seem to have a public-facing webpage via browser.

Sorry for taking your time and noise. Looking forward to any help
or/and advice of the same.

01. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/DebianUtsav2012 - please see
the third entry.
02. https://buildd.debian.org/
03. http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/
04. http://lists.debian.org/debian-wb-team/
05. ftp.debian.org
06. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg1.html
07. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/08/msg00504.html
08. 
http://www.debian-news.net/2012/02/04/bits-from-the-debian-gnuhurd-porters-3/
09. ironforge.sceen.net
10.  exodar.debian.net

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