Re: Joining Debian
[CC'ing Mathew just in case he stopped reading this thread; sorry for the possibly duplicate email] Paul Wise wrote: I just realised that what you have just done violates the license of Matthew's document. Please read the copyright / license section of it at the very end. Mathew had answered saying I was free to do so, I just hadn't realized his reply was private and not on-list. I interpreted this answer as permission, but perhaps an explicit (and public) one would be better. Cheers -- Leo costela Antunes [insert a witty retort here] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b7d6692.2060...@debian.org
Re: Joining Debian
Paul Wise wrote: Changing the URL for that FAQ needs: Matthew to be willing to edit and maintain the new URL. Some people do not like using Debian's wiki, not sure if Matthew feels that way. I understand not liking wiki markup, but for a text document with just simple bullet lists, links and headers, I'd consider it a minor problem out-weighted by the advantage of easier collective management. A redirect from Matthew's version to the wiki version. That would be nice. I'd consider it a sort of blessing from him. :) Update the lists.d.o page. Update the IRC channel topic. Search the website for the old link and update all the links. I'd consider doing these after the wiki version gathers at least a bit of support. My point was just taking a bit of the responsibility off of Mathew's back, but if that doesn't happen, the point is moot. Cheers -- Leo costela Antunes [insert a witty retort here] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hlju3r$j1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Joining Debian
Paul Wise wrote: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Leo costela Antunes cost...@debian.org wrote: Putting my money where my mouth is: done. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq I just realised that what you have just done violates the license of Matthew's document. Please read the copyright / license section of it at the very end. What is the license of content in the wiki? -- Nicolas (I read mailing lists through Gmane. Please don't Cc me on replies; it makes me get one message on my newsreader and another on email.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hl7bv4$up...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Joining Debian
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Nicolas Alvarez nicolas.alva...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Wise wrote: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Leo costela Antunes cost...@debian.org wrote: Putting my money where my mouth is: done. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq I just realised that what you have just done violates the license of Matthew's document. Please read the copyright / license section of it at the very end. What is the license of content in the wiki? That isn't the problem, the problem is that Matthew's document is GPL and he has designated the HTML document as the source code, which is obviously not being distributed on the wiki. In answer to your question: none, more info here: http://bugs.debian.org/385797 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/LicencingTerms http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/LicencingTerms/Proposals http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2009/06/threads.html#00083 -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e13a36b31002131707k681290f7ibc21ca388f228...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Joining Debian
Paul Wise wrote: That isn't the problem, the problem is that Matthew's document is GPL and he has designated the HTML document as the source code, which is obviously not being distributed on the wiki. So if I download a GPL program written in Python and translate it to C, then distribute both the compiled binaries and the source code (.c + Makefile), I'm violating copyright for not distributing the original Python source? That doesn't make any sense. -- Nicolas (I read mailing lists through Gmane. Please don't Cc me on replies; it makes me get one message on my newsreader and another on email.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hl7r59$td...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Joining Debian
Leo costela Antunes wrote: Matthew Palmer wrote: In addition, the FAQ for this list: http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html might answer some of your questions. As a side note, wouldn't the wiki be the perfect place for this? Don't get me wrong, I totally appreciate the work. It just seems like a bit of a waste of potential help, having it in a different place. Putting my money where my mouth is: done. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq Thanks again for putting it all together! I hope the footer suffices as an expression of that gratitude! :) Cheers -- Leo costela Antunes [insert a witty retort here] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Joining Debian
Putting my money where my mouth is: done. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq Thanks again for putting it all together! I hope the footer suffices as an expression of that gratitude! :) Great. While I was browsing throu it, I notice the following issues (I don't thing I know the details well enough to edit the page so maybe someone that does feels the like doing it): 1) the wiki discusses the DD process, but how about the DM process/status? 2) the wiki describes the the non-native package as having a dsc, diff.gz and an orig.tar.gz file. While this is true for source 1, the story is extended when source 3.0 (native/quilt) came along. 3) with source 3.0 the story about upstream having a /debian directory is a bit outdated, isn't it? Still in general true of course, but it is less of an issue. Paul signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Joining Debian
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Leo costela Antunes cost...@debian.org wrote: Putting my money where my mouth is: done. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq Changing the URL for that FAQ needs: Matthew to be willing to edit and maintain the new URL. Some people do not like using Debian's wiki, not sure if Matthew feels that way. A redirect from Matthew's version to the wiki version. Update the lists.d.o page. Update the IRC channel topic. Search the website for the old link and update all the links. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Joining Debian
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Leo costela Antunes cost...@debian.org wrote: Putting my money where my mouth is: done. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq I just realised that what you have just done violates the license of Matthew's document. Please read the copyright / license section of it at the very end. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Joining Debian
Hello, My name is Luis Pedro and I would like to join you all, and try to do something useful for free software. I am familiar with Linux, familiar with programming, but not much familiar with software development for Debian Linux. I followed some tutorials from Ubuntu, which is the son of Debian, about how to start... I have some notions but I feel like I need someone to guide me through development in Debian. Is anyone available? Thank you. Cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Joining Debian
Hi Luis, You should take a look at the documents located at http://www.debian.org/devel/ Namely you should read the New Maintainers Guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ The Debian Developers' Reference: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ And you should also read the Debian Policy Manual: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ Those documents will most likely answer many questions that you might have. If you have any specific questions, you can of course ask them. -Chris On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 09:26:49PM +, Luis Pedro wrote: Hello, My name is Luis Pedro and I would like to join you all, and try to do something useful for free software. I am familiar with Linux, familiar with programming, but not much familiar with software development for Debian Linux. I followed some tutorials from Ubuntu, which is the son of Debian, about how to start... I have some notions but I feel like I need someone to guide me through development in Debian. Is anyone available? Thank you. Cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Joining Debian
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 01:40:29PM -0800, Chris Taylor wrote: You should take a look at the documents located at http://www.debian.org/devel/ Namely you should read the New Maintainers Guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ The Debian Developers' Reference: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ And you should also read the Debian Policy Manual: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ In addition, the FAQ for this list: http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html might answer some of your questions. - Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Joining Debian
Matthew Palmer wrote: In addition, the FAQ for this list: http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html might answer some of your questions. As a side note, wouldn't the wiki be the perfect place for this? Don't get me wrong, I totally appreciate the work. It just seems like a bit of a waste of potential help, having it in a different place. Cheers -- Leo costela Antunes [insert a witty retort here] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Joining Debian
On Monday 08 February 2010 15:26:49 Luis Pedro wrote: My name is Luis Pedro and I would like to join you all, and try to do something useful for free software. I am familiar with Linux, familiar with programming, but not much familiar with software development for Debian Linux. I followed some tutorials from Ubuntu, which is the son of Debian, about how to start... I have some notions but I feel like I need someone to guide me through development in Debian. Is anyone available? Links to some of my replies to previous, similar questions: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-u...@lists.debian.org/msg544001.html http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-mentors@lists.debian.org/msg63936.html If you have specific questions ask them here or on IRC, you'll usually get a quick turn-around. If you don't, make an attempt at *some* task, and present your work. Trust me, any issues remaining will prompt your peers to correct you. :) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: joining Debian / packaging buildd
Jeremy Lainé [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You might be interested in http://www.whinlatter.uklinux.net/buildd/ Definitely, I'm looking through it right now. You should probably subscribe to buildd-discuss at nocrew.org. Done, and browsing through the archives I see I'm going pretty much the same way as you as I also rely on autoconf/automake and have moved to debhelper. I've uploaded (or will upload shortly) a new version to the above URL. This includes a number of changes, and removes andrea and rbuilder, and updates sbuild to the apt-patched version in common use. I've not yet included the debconf patch you sent, since I'm not at all knowledeable about it, and I'm also going to alter the conffiles in the future, which would break it. I was also not happy about generating the .global conffiles--these are not supposed to be changed by the user (the .local or non-suffixed version should be used instead; buildd uses a per-user conffile). Regards, Roger -- Roger Leigh Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/ GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 available on public keyservers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: joining Debian / packaging buildd
Jeremy Lainé [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You might be interested in http://www.whinlatter.uklinux.net/buildd/ Definitely, I'm looking through it right now. You should probably subscribe to buildd-discuss at nocrew.org. Done, and browsing through the archives I see I'm going pretty much the same way as you as I also rely on autoconf/automake and have moved to debhelper. I've uploaded (or will upload shortly) a new version to the above URL. This includes a number of changes, and removes andrea and rbuilder, and updates sbuild to the apt-patched version in common use. I've not yet included the debconf patch you sent, since I'm not at all knowledeable about it, and I'm also going to alter the conffiles in the future, which would break it. I was also not happy about generating the .global conffiles--these are not supposed to be changed by the user (the .local or non-suffixed version should be used instead; buildd uses a per-user conffile). Regards, Roger -- Roger Leigh Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/ GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 available on public keyservers
Re: joining Debian / packaging buildd
You should probably subscribe to buildd-discuss at nocrew.org. done, but no reply so far. In the meantime, I have started work using your package as a base, and have got the buildd package to generate an /etc/default/buildd via debconf. It is structured exactly like the current /etc/buildd/buildd.conf.global. The priorities for the questions are totally arbitrary for the moment as I do not know yet what the correct priorities should be. You can grab my diff from : http://dev.jerryweb.org/projects/buildd/ Jeremy -- http://www.jerryweb.org/ : JerryWeb.org http://sailcut.sourceforge.net/ : Sailcut CAD http://mpf70.sourceforge.net/: MPman MP-F70 support for Linux msg08430/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: joining Debian / packaging buildd
You might be interested in http://www.whinlatter.uklinux.net/buildd/ Definitely, I'm looking through it right now. You should probably subscribe to buildd-discuss at nocrew.org. Done, and browsing through the archives I see I'm going pretty much the same way as you as I also rely on autoconf/automake and have moved to debhelper. Jeremy -- http://www.jerryweb.org/ : JerryWeb.org http://sailcut.sourceforge.net/ : Sailcut CAD http://mpf70.sourceforge.net/: MPman MP-F70 support for Linux pgp3ubFq6Emso.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: joining Debian / packaging buildd
You should probably subscribe to buildd-discuss at nocrew.org. done, but no reply so far. In the meantime, I have started work using your package as a base, and have got the buildd package to generate an /etc/default/buildd via debconf. It is structured exactly like the current /etc/buildd/buildd.conf.global. The priorities for the questions are totally arbitrary for the moment as I do not know yet what the correct priorities should be. You can grab my diff from : http://dev.jerryweb.org/projects/buildd/ Jeremy -- http://www.jerryweb.org/ : JerryWeb.org http://sailcut.sourceforge.net/ : Sailcut CAD http://mpf70.sourceforge.net/: MPman MP-F70 support for Linux pgpQ3LDds5caH.pgp Description: PGP signature
joining Debian / packaging buildd
Hi! I am interested in becoming a Debian developer and have already produced a number of Debian packages, but they fall in the pet packages category referred to in another thread on this list. The most recent ones are mpf70-source and mpf70-utils, respectively the source for a kernel module (builds with make-kpkg) and some userspace utilities for the MPman MP-F70 portable MP3 player: deb http://dev.jerryweb.org/debian ./ deb-src http://dev.jerryweb.org/debian ./ As far as I can tell, these packages are pretty much ready, but I am putting them on hold until someone else expresses interest in them, so as not to clutter the Debian archive pointlessly. In the meantime, I think I've found something to sink my teeth in, namely packaging buildd. I realise it's a big bugger, but as packaging it seems to have been on the TODO list for a while I suppose any work I put into it is that much done.. I am looking for a contact from the buildd team to ask whether I can rename some files, or whether this is not a purely Debian package and needs to be handled like a package with an upstream and a Debian diff. Jeremy -- http://www.jerryweb.org/ : JerryWeb.org http://sailcut.sourceforge.net/ : Sailcut CAD http://mpf70.sourceforge.net/: MPman MP-F70 support for Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
joining Debian / packaging buildd
Hi! I am interested in becoming a Debian developer and have already produced a number of Debian packages, but they fall in the pet packages category referred to in another thread on this list. The most recent ones are mpf70-source and mpf70-utils, respectively the source for a kernel module (builds with make-kpkg) and some userspace utilities for the MPman MP-F70 portable MP3 player: deb http://dev.jerryweb.org/debian ./ deb-src http://dev.jerryweb.org/debian ./ As far as I can tell, these packages are pretty much ready, but I am putting them on hold until someone else expresses interest in them, so as not to clutter the Debian archive pointlessly. In the meantime, I think I've found something to sink my teeth in, namely packaging buildd. I realise it's a big bugger, but as packaging it seems to have been on the TODO list for a while I suppose any work I put into it is that much done.. I am looking for a contact from the buildd team to ask whether I can rename some files, or whether this is not a purely Debian package and needs to be handled like a package with an upstream and a Debian diff. Jeremy -- http://www.jerryweb.org/ : JerryWeb.org http://sailcut.sourceforge.net/ : Sailcut CAD http://mpf70.sourceforge.net/: MPman MP-F70 support for Linux
Re: joining Debian / packaging buildd
Jeremy Lainé [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the meantime, I think I've found something to sink my teeth in, namely packaging buildd. I realise it's a big bugger, but as packaging it seems to have been on the TODO list for a while I suppose any work I put into it is that much done.. You might be interested in http://www.whinlatter.uklinux.net/buildd/ This doesn't yet automate all of the setup properly, and is a bit out of date with my local CVS, but does work with a bit of manual setup after installation. I am looking for a contact from the buildd team to ask whether I can rename some files, or whether this is not a purely Debian package and needs to be handled like a package with an upstream and a Debian diff. You should probably subscribe to buildd-discuss at nocrew.org. Regards, Roger -- Roger Leigh Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/ GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 available on public keyservers
