Re: Contact?
On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 05:06:15PM +0100, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > my AM is a very busy one and now a couple of months are gone since the first > contact. i'm still waiting for the "Philosophy and Procedures Check" being > checked. > > as soon as i posted my application i looked around for a package to maintain, > it is 15 months (1 year and 3 months) that i maintain it and still i'm not a > debian maintainer. in these months i added a couple of new other packages to > my arsenal, that's ok. i'm sure that i know how to do some basic packaging... > :) > > so, everybody be happy with actual timelines. (i'm seriously thinking at > re-applicating to the nm queue... ) I assume this is you. Quoting from http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=cavok%40libero.it, > FD: Contact mail bounces. Applicant must contact Front Desk for new > Application Manager. Hope this helps. Matt pgp9vWWWEMJmG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Contact?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 03:53:12PM +, Paul Martin wrote: > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:05:06AM -0500, stramiello wrote: > > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > > It can take months. Once you've been contacted by your AM, things can > happen very quickly, if you're prepared for the questions they are going > to ask you. I was lucky (and prepared): from the initial AM contact to > the DAM providing me with a login took approximately 52 hours. > my AM is a very busy one and now a couple of months are gone since the first contact. i'm still waiting for the "Philosophy and Procedures Check" being checked. as soon as i posted my application i looked around for a package to maintain, it is 15 months (1 year and 3 months) that i maintain it and still i'm not a debian maintainer. in these months i added a couple of new other packages to my arsenal, that's ok. i'm sure that i know how to do some basic packaging... :) so, everybody be happy with actual timelines. (i'm seriously thinking at re-applicating to the nm queue... ) -[ Domenico Andreoli, aka cavok --[ http://filibusta.crema.unimi.it/~cavok/gpgkey.asc --[ 3A0F 2F80 F79C 678A 8936 4FEE 0677 9033 A20E BC50
Re: Contact?
On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 05:06:15PM +0100, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > my AM is a very busy one and now a couple of months are gone since the first > contact. i'm still waiting for the "Philosophy and Procedures Check" being > checked. > > as soon as i posted my application i looked around for a package to maintain, > it is 15 months (1 year and 3 months) that i maintain it and still i'm not a > debian maintainer. in these months i added a couple of new other packages to > my arsenal, that's ok. i'm sure that i know how to do some basic packaging... :) > > so, everybody be happy with actual timelines. (i'm seriously thinking at > re-applicating to the nm queue... ) I assume this is you. Quoting from http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=cavok%40libero.it, > FD: Contact mail bounces. Applicant must contact Front Desk for new > Application Manager. Hope this helps. Matt PGP signature
Re: Contact?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 03:53:12PM +, Paul Martin wrote: > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:05:06AM -0500, stramiello wrote: > > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > > It can take months. Once you've been contacted by your AM, things can > happen very quickly, if you're prepared for the questions they are going > to ask you. I was lucky (and prepared): from the initial AM contact to > the DAM providing me with a login took approximately 52 hours. > my AM is a very busy one and now a couple of months are gone since the first contact. i'm still waiting for the "Philosophy and Procedures Check" being checked. as soon as i posted my application i looked around for a package to maintain, it is 15 months (1 year and 3 months) that i maintain it and still i'm not a debian maintainer. in these months i added a couple of new other packages to my arsenal, that's ok. i'm sure that i know how to do some basic packaging... :) so, everybody be happy with actual timelines. (i'm seriously thinking at re-applicating to the nm queue... ) -[ Domenico Andreoli, aka cavok --[ http://filibusta.crema.unimi.it/~cavok/gpgkey.asc --[ 3A0F 2F80 F79C 678A 8936 4FEE 0677 9033 A20E BC50 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 05:18:30PM -0500, Gopal Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... > Moral of the story for applicants: Keep your application ready before > your AM contacts you; get your key signed, have package(s) ready for > inspection, read the SC, DFSG & DMUP, browse the developer's > reference, etc. Heck, maybe file or fix some bugs, write > documentation, etc. It's amazing how quickly you will be processed, if > you show demonstratable skills and knowledge of debian policies & > procedures. This is certainly true. When I was first contacted by my AM after months and months of waiting (I had applied before the process re-opened), I was done with him in 48 hours, most of it waiting to meet him on IRC across maybe 10 time zones. Now I am an AM and unfortunatly both of my first applicants didn't have (and still don't, even after 4 week of me being too ill and busy to write a mail demanding further action) their keys signed nor packages reay. (No details on the amazing stuff I heared, I don't want to step on anyone's toes) If there is no package available or the applicant can't demonstrate some work that would require an account to be properly continued, I'd put them on hold after identification and P&P to tell them to come back when they NEED a Debian account. Then the process can be quickly resumed. Remember, you can help Debian in numerous ways even without having an account. Fixing bugs, writing documentation, answering on debian-devel, taking part on discussions, helping at exhibitions ... . Actually I'd say one only needs an account for 1. package maintainng 2. building for different architectures (both for uploading) 3. doing administrative work for the project A @deibna.org account is not a status symbols. It is something to Get Work Done (tm). It is not given out unless needed. So, please if you don't need an account, please don't apply for NM, thereby delaying the entry of those who need one. I know of people who have been assigned AMs very fast because they already had many (important) packages sponsored or were doing lots of porting work that nobody else could do. But such cases are only rarely identifiable before an applicant gets an AM assigned. And if you do something for Debian, you are project member even without having an account. I thought of myself as a @Debian guy long before I packaged my first program, when I was helping at trade shows, hanging out with other developers and discussing stuff, etc. # And I do think my account should be locked if I do not maintain any packages # one day, until I need my account again. The less "unused" accounts, # the better, security and administrative wise. -- Oliver M. Bolzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG (PGP) Fingerprint = 621B 52F6 2AC1 36DB 8761 018F 8786 87AD EF50 D1FF pgpFkc1TUFYsa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Contact?
On Monday 20 November 2000 23:18, Gopal Narayanan wrote: > Moral of the story for applicants: Keep your application ready before > your AM contacts you; get your key signed, have package(s) ready for > inspection, read the SC, DFSG & DMUP, browse the developer's > reference, etc. Heck, maybe file or fix some bugs, write > documentation, etc. It's amazing how quickly you will be processed, if > you show demonstratable skills and knowledge of debian policies & > procedures. And still waiting, and waiting... Anyway Debian maintaners are volunteers, just like applicants. We (applicants) understand it. -- Mariusz Przygodzki| Good judgement comes from experience. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Experience comes from bad judgement. http://www.dune.home.pl | GPG: 0x42FAD771 1990 F07B FFB4 BE0B FF26 10C2 BE2B 965C 42FA D771
Re: Contact?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 10:49:24AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tobias Bachmor wrote: > > Samuel wrote: > > > > > > Took me a few months. All depends on how busy the ppl are. > > > > > > stramiello wrote: > > > > > > > > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I > > > > hear > > > > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > > It took me about 5(!) months to get assigned to an AM. And now it's been > > another 2 months without any response ... so keep on waiting :) > Yup. I think it took me four months to get an AM contact. Then I got stuck > back in the queue because I happen to be in the States and he wasn't. > Oops. =( Generally speaking, geographical proximity to the AM should not be the reason for delay at all. For much of the problems reported in this thread by applicants, as an AM, I frequently find that many applicants take an inordinately long time to respond to emails. Since most AMs deal with one or two applicants at any given time, the more time we spend processing each applicant, someone else stays in the line longer. Moral of the story for applicants: Keep your application ready before your AM contacts you; get your key signed, have package(s) ready for inspection, read the SC, DFSG & DMUP, browse the developer's reference, etc. Heck, maybe file or fix some bugs, write documentation, etc. It's amazing how quickly you will be processed, if you show demonstratable skills and knowledge of debian policies & procedures. Gopal. -- Gopal Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian GNU/Linux Developer Dept. of Astronomy, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Re: Contact?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 05:18:30PM -0500, Gopal Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... > Moral of the story for applicants: Keep your application ready before > your AM contacts you; get your key signed, have package(s) ready for > inspection, read the SC, DFSG & DMUP, browse the developer's > reference, etc. Heck, maybe file or fix some bugs, write > documentation, etc. It's amazing how quickly you will be processed, if > you show demonstratable skills and knowledge of debian policies & > procedures. This is certainly true. When I was first contacted by my AM after months and months of waiting (I had applied before the process re-opened), I was done with him in 48 hours, most of it waiting to meet him on IRC across maybe 10 time zones. Now I am an AM and unfortunatly both of my first applicants didn't have (and still don't, even after 4 week of me being too ill and busy to write a mail demanding further action) their keys signed nor packages reay. (No details on the amazing stuff I heared, I don't want to step on anyone's toes) If there is no package available or the applicant can't demonstrate some work that would require an account to be properly continued, I'd put them on hold after identification and P&P to tell them to come back when they NEED a Debian account. Then the process can be quickly resumed. Remember, you can help Debian in numerous ways even without having an account. Fixing bugs, writing documentation, answering on debian-devel, taking part on discussions, helping at exhibitions ... . Actually I'd say one only needs an account for 1. package maintainng 2. building for different architectures (both for uploading) 3. doing administrative work for the project A @deibna.org account is not a status symbols. It is something to Get Work Done (tm). It is not given out unless needed. So, please if you don't need an account, please don't apply for NM, thereby delaying the entry of those who need one. I know of people who have been assigned AMs very fast because they already had many (important) packages sponsored or were doing lots of porting work that nobody else could do. But such cases are only rarely identifiable before an applicant gets an AM assigned. And if you do something for Debian, you are project member even without having an account. I thought of myself as a @Debian guy long before I packaged my first program, when I was helping at trade shows, hanging out with other developers and discussing stuff, etc. # And I do think my account should be locked if I do not maintain any packages # one day, until I need my account again. The less "unused" accounts, # the better, security and administrative wise. -- Oliver M. Bolzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG (PGP) Fingerprint = 621B 52F6 2AC1 36DB 8761 018F 8786 87AD EF50 D1FF PGP signature
Re: Contact?
On Monday 20 November 2000 23:18, Gopal Narayanan wrote: > Moral of the story for applicants: Keep your application ready before > your AM contacts you; get your key signed, have package(s) ready for > inspection, read the SC, DFSG & DMUP, browse the developer's > reference, etc. Heck, maybe file or fix some bugs, write > documentation, etc. It's amazing how quickly you will be processed, if > you show demonstratable skills and knowledge of debian policies & > procedures. And still waiting, and waiting... Anyway Debian maintaners are volunteers, just like applicants. We (applicants) understand it. -- Mariusz Przygodzki| Good judgement comes from experience. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Experience comes from bad judgement. http://www.dune.home.pl | GPG: 0x42FAD771 1990 F07B FFB4 BE0B FF26 10C2 BE2B 965C 42FA D771 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 10:49:24AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tobias Bachmor wrote: > > Samuel wrote: > > > > > > Took me a few months. All depends on how busy the ppl are. > > > > > > stramiello wrote: > > > > > > > > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > > > > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > > It took me about 5(!) months to get assigned to an AM. And now it's been another 2 >months without any response ... so keep on waiting :) > Yup. I think it took me four months to get an AM contact. Then I got stuck > back in the queue because I happen to be in the States and he wasn't. > Oops. =( Generally speaking, geographical proximity to the AM should not be the reason for delay at all. For much of the problems reported in this thread by applicants, as an AM, I frequently find that many applicants take an inordinately long time to respond to emails. Since most AMs deal with one or two applicants at any given time, the more time we spend processing each applicant, someone else stays in the line longer. Moral of the story for applicants: Keep your application ready before your AM contacts you; get your key signed, have package(s) ready for inspection, read the SC, DFSG & DMUP, browse the developer's reference, etc. Heck, maybe file or fix some bugs, write documentation, etc. It's amazing how quickly you will be processed, if you show demonstratable skills and knowledge of debian policies & procedures. Gopal. -- Gopal Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian GNU/Linux Developer Dept. of Astronomy, University of Massachusetts, Amherst -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tobias Bachmor wrote: > Samuel wrote: > > > > Took me a few months. All depends on how busy the ppl are. > > > > stramiello wrote: > > > > > > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > > > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > It took me about 5(!) months to get assigned to an AM. And now it's been > another 2 months without any response ... so keep on waiting :) Yup. I think it took me four months to get an AM contact. Then I got stuck back in the queue because I happen to be in the States and he wasn't. Oops. =(
Re: Contact?
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Tobias Bachmor wrote: > Samuel wrote: > > > > Took me a few months. All depends on how busy the ppl are. > > > > stramiello wrote: > > > > > > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > > > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > It took me about 5(!) months to get assigned to an AM. And now it's been another 2 >months without any response ... so keep on waiting :) Yup. I think it took me four months to get an AM contact. Then I got stuck back in the queue because I happen to be in the States and he wasn't. Oops. =( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
>It can take months. Once you've been contacted by your AM, things can >happen very quickly, if you're prepared for the questions they are going >to ask you. I was lucky (and prepared): from the initial AM contact to >the DAM providing me with a login took approximately 52 hours. You was just lucky! :-) Mariusz Przygodzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (work) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (home) ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Debian stuff)
Re: Contact?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:05:06AM -0500, stramiello wrote: > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... It can take months. Once you've been contacted by your AM, things can happen very quickly, if you're prepared for the questions they are going to ask you. I was lucky (and prepared): from the initial AM contact to the DAM providing me with a login took approximately 52 hours. -- Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (work) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (home) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Debian stuff)
Re: Contact?
Hello you waiting NMs :) On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 03:17:59PM +0100, Michael Moerz wrote: > I know someone who has been waiting really long, whereas some other > friend of mine was taking through very quickly. Personally I am currently > also becoming a DD, and my initial contact was made after 40 days or so. Just a hint: If you want to do anything for Debian, you don't require to be an "official developer". Just take a look into the Bug Tracking System, fix some bugs and send the patches to the maintainers. If you do so, you learn much about the debian packaging system and if you tell that the New-Maintainers-Managers they normally will accept your application *really* fast (not by policy but according to what people say). bye, -christian- -- Christian HammersWESTEND GmbH - Aachen und Dueren Tel 0241/701333-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet & Security for ProfessionalsFax 0241/911879 WESTEND ist CISCO Systems Partner - Premium Certified
Re: Contact?
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, stramiello wrote: > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > Be patient please Front Desk people assign your application to an AM. That may take some time. Then AM will contact you when he/she has got the time. I know someone who has been waiting really long, whereas some other friend of mine was taking through very quickly. Personally I am currently also becoming a DD, and my initial contact was made after 40 days or so. If you want to see numbers about how long it will take, have a look at webpage at nm.debian.org. There are statistics about how long it takes in average means. Everything takes it's time and everybody here is doing his/her work in the spare time he/she has got. So please be patient cause you will have your turn. Perhaps it would be a good idea to prepare the things that are required in the meantime if you didn't prepare them already. If you are so trembling that you can't await to put some packages out, then perhaps looking for a sponsor is a good idea (yes debian-mentors is the right place to do that). -- kind regards, Michael Moerz
Re: Contact?
>How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear >from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > >~Warren > Look on http://nm.debian.org/ and review the Aggregate Statistics. Of, course don't expect to much :-) Mariusz Przygodzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] l
Re: Contact?
Samuel wrote: > > Took me a few months. All depends on how busy the ppl are. > > stramiello wrote: > > > > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... It took me about 5(!) months to get assigned to an AM. And now it's been another 2 months without any response ... so keep on waiting :) -- ___ Tobias Bachmor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Contact?
Took me a few months. All depends on how busy the ppl are. stramiello wrote: > > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > > ~Warren > > > Warren Stramiello | > 325909 GT Station | A good USENET Motto would be: > Atlanta, GA 30332 | a) "Together, a strong community" > (404) 206-4208 | b) "Computers R Us." > --+ c) "I'm sick of programming. I think > WhiteRabbit | I'll just screw around for a while > 128.61.35.35 | on company time." > | > > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
>It can take months. Once you've been contacted by your AM, things can >happen very quickly, if you're prepared for the questions they are going >to ask you. I was lucky (and prepared): from the initial AM contact to >the DAM providing me with a login took approximately 52 hours. You was just lucky! :-) Mariusz Przygodzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (work) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (home) ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Debian stuff) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:05:06AM -0500, stramiello wrote: > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... It can take months. Once you've been contacted by your AM, things can happen very quickly, if you're prepared for the questions they are going to ask you. I was lucky (and prepared): from the initial AM contact to the DAM providing me with a login took approximately 52 hours. -- Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (work) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (home) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Debian stuff) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
Hello you waiting NMs :) On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 03:17:59PM +0100, Michael Moerz wrote: > I know someone who has been waiting really long, whereas some other > friend of mine was taking through very quickly. Personally I am currently > also becoming a DD, and my initial contact was made after 40 days or so. Just a hint: If you want to do anything for Debian, you don't require to be an "official developer". Just take a look into the Bug Tracking System, fix some bugs and send the patches to the maintainers. If you do so, you learn much about the debian packaging system and if you tell that the New-Maintainers-Managers they normally will accept your application *really* fast (not by policy but according to what people say). bye, -christian- -- Christian HammersWESTEND GmbH - Aachen und Dueren Tel 0241/701333-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet & Security for ProfessionalsFax 0241/911879 WESTEND ist CISCO Systems Partner - Premium Certified -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, stramiello wrote: > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > Be patient please Front Desk people assign your application to an AM. That may take some time. Then AM will contact you when he/she has got the time. I know someone who has been waiting really long, whereas some other friend of mine was taking through very quickly. Personally I am currently also becoming a DD, and my initial contact was made after 40 days or so. If you want to see numbers about how long it will take, have a look at webpage at nm.debian.org. There are statistics about how long it takes in average means. Everything takes it's time and everybody here is doing his/her work in the spare time he/she has got. So please be patient cause you will have your turn. Perhaps it would be a good idea to prepare the things that are required in the meantime if you didn't prepare them already. If you are so trembling that you can't await to put some packages out, then perhaps looking for a sponsor is a good idea (yes debian-mentors is the right place to do that). -- kind regards, Michael Moerz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
>How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear >from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > >~Warren > Look on http://nm.debian.org/ and review the Aggregate Statistics. Of, course don't expect to much :-) Mariusz Przygodzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] l -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
Samuel wrote: > > Took me a few months. All depends on how busy the ppl are. > > stramiello wrote: > > > > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... It took me about 5(!) months to get assigned to an AM. And now it's been another 2 months without any response ... so keep on waiting :) -- ___ Tobias Bachmor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact?
Took me a few months. All depends on how busy the ppl are. stramiello wrote: > > How long does it take after submitting my info to the webpage until I hear > from an AM? Just curious since its been a few weeks... > > ~Warren > > > Warren Stramiello | > 325909 GT Station | A good USENET Motto would be: > Atlanta, GA 30332 | a) "Together, a strong community" > (404) 206-4208 | b) "Computers R Us." > --+ c) "I'm sick of programming. I think > WhiteRabbit | I'll just screw around for a while > 128.61.35.35 | on company time." > | > > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
