Re: [porting-dev] Fwd: [interface-announce] required/SRX643 : SRX643 needs Java 1.4
Hi Joerg ... first of all, this was an objective view of the Java-problem .. thnx :) On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 02:47:39PM +0200, Joerg Barfurth wrote: >>>In general adding ANY new features via Java is probably not a good thing: >Java may well be the appropriate implementation language for some >features. Whoever adds a new feature gets to choose an implementation >language. If you want the same feature but dislike the language used you >may try to port/reimplement in another language. Like C++ as the most of OpenOffice.org is implemented? Whats wrong with it? >I'm sure the accessibility people did not choose Java without good >reason. I think they should summarize their original discusssion and the >reasons why they use Java. (Maybe someone already did, I'm somewhat >behind with these lists) This is a very good idea? I will ask about it, but I do not know, who to ask, anyone? >But OTOH the core application must run without Java (afaik it does) and >it should build without Java (we are getting closer to that). Ok .. I'm not in doubt with it. But the big problem is, if we drop Java at once without any replacement, we will break some features maybe ... but I'm not sure, because, I do not really know, what in fact in OpenOffice.org based on Java and needs an installed jdk. >And each part that uses Java should try to keep requirements low and >document them to help ports decide wether they can or cannot support >that feature. Ok ... >>> Here's why I belive that: 1. We already get push back from >>> distributions who diasble these features since Java is not free >>> softrware (Debian). >>That is a big,biig problem. Sorry, my opinions are more politicle, but >>OpenOffice.org is _the_ office-suite lgpl'ed licensed at all. No others, >>like K-Office/Gnome-Office, have the feature like OpenOffice.org. >>So I think, it is important to get OpenOffice.org as free as possible of >>non- free software. OpenOffice.org is not free with the >>build-dependencies on Java and GPC. >There are two issues here. One is GPC. Afaict nobody is really happy >with the situation there, but there is no free replacement. (And if I >understood the discussions I have read on OOo lists, the Debian-OOo >replacement misses out on exactly those features which the graphics >developers need from GPC in the first place.) Thus if there is a free >(hopefully LGPL rather than only full GPL) replacement this might change. Ok .. sounds good ... great to hear. Some on the debian-openoffice mailinglist starts to work on it, but I do not know really the state. I will ask an report here. >But wrt Java the Situation is different. >Java and OpenSource are not opposites. There are many OSS projects >realized entirely in Java. And some people believe that is is beneficial >to be able to control OpenOffice.org from Java applications and to >extend it with Java components or applets. The big difference is, that Java is not a free software and makes development with java-code in free software projects much more difficult as it could be with a free Java. I hope, that Sun will decide as soon as possible, that Java becomes free! >We try to cater for people who don't or won't use Java - be it for >technical or for even political reasons. I think both. Java is not fully integrated in debian. There are some debian packages, but they are not part of debian, not in nonfree either, because, it was to nonfree, to get it into debian-nonfree section. But the nonfree-section is not Debian as well. These are political reasons. On the other side, some people do not use Java, because, they do not want to use it or their machine has not enough power to run Java happily. Since, some do not need Java for OpenOffice.org or see the dependency of OpenOffice.org to Java, they won't install it. >OTOH completely banning Java for political reasons does not seem right >either, particularly on a project heavily funded by Sun. :P Then .. Sun should let Java become as free software .. this will be the greatest ... >>>2. We have lots of users who think OOo is slow because it uses Java and >>>want to know why they need to add it. >>I have to be honest, I don't know, what in OpenOffice.org needs Java. >Afaik nothing does at runtime, except of course interfacing to Java code >in UNO and support for Java applets. Ok I went to the Sun Microsystem booth on Linuxday last weekend in Karlsruhe (Germany) and one there told me, that Java is only needed by the OpenOffice.org help system? But I am in doubt with that would be fully the case. >>>3. We have ports that do not have access to Sun Java virtual machines. >>>4. We have header problems from the gcc free java compiler/virtual >>>machine gcj >I think support for non-Sun Java tools would have to be contributed from >outside Sun. But I don't expect anybody would object, if it doesn't >break other stuff (including the support for Sun's Java). So far nobody >stepped up to the plate... I thought
Re: cvs commit to oo-deb/debian by haggai
Hi! Uhm, Chris, why not having done the following three commits in one? Just curious. Same log message for all of them... * Debian Openoffice CVS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-06-13 03:02]: > Repository: oo-deb/debian > who:haggai > time: Thu Jun 13 10:02:42 UTC 2002 > Log Message: > changes for 1.0.0-4pre5.1: > > Files: > changed:README.Debian TODO changelog control control.in control.lang.in * Debian Openoffice CVS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-06-13 03:02]: > Repository: oo-deb/debian/patches > who:haggai > time: Thu Jun 13 10:02:42 UTC 2002 > Log Message: > changes for 1.0.0-4pre5.1: > > Files: > added: 021_lingu_cvsupdates.diff 022_psprint_fontmanager.diff > 023_user_fontpath.diff 024_remove_java.diff 903_system_freetype.diff * Debian Openoffice CVS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-06-13 03:02]: > Repository: oo-deb/debian/local > who:haggai > time: Thu Jun 13 10:02:42 UTC 2002 > Log Message: > changes for 1.0.0-4pre5.1: > > Files: > changed:ooffice Have fun, Alfie -- "It's today!" said Piglet. "My favorite day," said Pooh. pgpYz1nY8VR3n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CVS
* Chris Halls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-06-13 11:29]:
> CVS has the contents of the debian directory. I suggest you first get the
> source package and replace the debian directory with the one from CVS:
>
> apt-get source openoffice.org
> cd openoffice.org-1.0.0
> rm -rf debian
> export CVSROOT=:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/debian-openoffice
> cvs login {press enter}
> cvs -z4 co -d debian oo-deb/debian
Wouldn't be a cvs export be better to not get the CVS data? Or doesn't
that do any harm? I think especially about the patch directory...
Have fun,
Alfie
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Re: CVS
Hi Chris,
Chris Halls wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:33:43AM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> > sorry, I forgot which server the CVS is on and how to connect.
>
> CVS has the contents of the debian directory. I suggest you first get the
> source package and replace the debian directory with the one from CVS:
>
> apt-get source openoffice.org
> cd openoffice.org-1.0.0
> rm -rf debian
> export CVSROOT=:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/debian-openoffice
> cvs login {press enter}
> cvs -z4 co -d debian oo-deb/debian
Sure, I knew that but I forgot the pserver name.
> > Additionally, I would ask how it is regulated with the CVS commit
> > access. How do I get one? Is there any possibility?
>
> Peter can assign access to people who have contributed to the package. You
> need to get involved first, though. If you post diffs created by CVS diff,
> we'll commit them for you.
>
> If you can, join us at #debian-oo on irc.openprojects.net for a chat.
OK, I'll do that later this evening (at the moment I am not at home).
I intend to help with packaging the german spellcheck for OOo in the
openoffice.org package which if I remember correctly is planned for -5.
See you on #debian-oo
Regards,
Rene
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cvs commit to oo-deb/debian/local by haggai
Repository: oo-deb/debian/local who:haggai time: Thu Jun 13 10:02:42 UTC 2002 Log Message: changes for 1.0.0-4pre5.1: * Martin Quinson: - Auto select user install directory and language - Support for install by user in other directories, not just ~/.openoffice * Patches copied from Gwenole Beauchesne at Mandrake: - 021_lingu_cvsupdates.diff: Updates to lingucomponent from stable-1.0-branch + Register own hypenation dictionaries (IZ #4, IZ #4687) + Fix segfault under Thesaurus (IZ #4435) + Enable shared spellchecking capabilities - 022_psprint_fontmanager.diff + Improve font server discovery (from stable-1.0-branch) - 023_user_fontpath.diff + Use SAL_FONTPATH_USER for user font path - 903_system_freetype.diff + Use the system libfreetype instead of the internal library * Peter Novodvorsky: - 024_remove_java.diff: do not build using Java. Now we're getting closer to main! * Chris Halls: - openoffice.org-bin conflicts with earlier packages (<= -3) - openoffice.org Suggests: mime-support, menu - Add new systemwide configuration: /etc/openoffice/openoffice.conf - Correct l10n typo in README.Debian - Build-depend on libfreetype6-dev - Update README.Debian/TODO Files: changed:ooffice -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to oo-deb/debian/patches by haggai
Repository: oo-deb/debian/patches who:haggai time: Thu Jun 13 10:02:42 UTC 2002 Log Message: changes for 1.0.0-4pre5.1: * Martin Quinson: - Auto select user install directory and language - Support for install by user in other directories, not just ~/.openoffice * Patches copied from Gwenole Beauchesne at Mandrake: - 021_lingu_cvsupdates.diff: Updates to lingucomponent from stable-1.0-branch + Register own hypenation dictionaries (IZ #4, IZ #4687) + Fix segfault under Thesaurus (IZ #4435) + Enable shared spellchecking capabilities - 022_psprint_fontmanager.diff + Improve font server discovery (from stable-1.0-branch) - 023_user_fontpath.diff + Use SAL_FONTPATH_USER for user font path - 903_system_freetype.diff + Use the system libfreetype instead of the internal library * Peter Novodvorsky: - 024_remove_java.diff: do not build using Java. Now we're getting closer to main! * Chris Halls: - openoffice.org-bin conflicts with earlier packages (<= -3) - openoffice.org Suggests: mime-support, menu - Add new systemwide configuration: /etc/openoffice/openoffice.conf - Correct l10n typo in README.Debian - Build-depend on libfreetype6-dev - Update README.Debian/TODO Files: added: 021_lingu_cvsupdates.diff 022_psprint_fontmanager.diff 023_user_fontpath.diff 024_remove_java.diff 903_system_freetype.diff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to oo-deb/debian by haggai
Repository: oo-deb/debian who:haggai time: Thu Jun 13 10:02:42 UTC 2002 Log Message: changes for 1.0.0-4pre5.1: * Martin Quinson: - Auto select user install directory and language - Support for install by user in other directories, not just ~/.openoffice * Patches copied from Gwenole Beauchesne at Mandrake: - 021_lingu_cvsupdates.diff: Updates to lingucomponent from stable-1.0-branch + Register own hypenation dictionaries (IZ #4, IZ #4687) + Fix segfault under Thesaurus (IZ #4435) + Enable shared spellchecking capabilities - 022_psprint_fontmanager.diff + Improve font server discovery (from stable-1.0-branch) - 023_user_fontpath.diff + Use SAL_FONTPATH_USER for user font path - 903_system_freetype.diff + Use the system libfreetype instead of the internal library * Peter Novodvorsky: - 024_remove_java.diff: do not build using Java. Now we're getting closer to main! * Chris Halls: - openoffice.org-bin conflicts with earlier packages (<= -3) - openoffice.org Suggests: mime-support, menu - Add new systemwide configuration: /etc/openoffice/openoffice.conf - Correct l10n typo in README.Debian - Build-depend on libfreetype6-dev - Update README.Debian/TODO Files: changed:README.Debian TODO changelog control control.in control.lang.in -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:33:43AM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> sorry, I forgot which server the CVS is on and how to connect.
CVS has the contents of the debian directory. I suggest you first get the
source package and replace the debian directory with the one from CVS:
apt-get source openoffice.org
cd openoffice.org-1.0.0
rm -rf debian
export CVSROOT=:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/debian-openoffice
cvs login {press enter}
cvs -z4 co -d debian oo-deb/debian
> Additionally, I would ask how it is regulated with the CVS commit
> access. How do I get one? Is there any possibility?
Peter can assign access to people who have contributed to the package. You
need to get involved first, though. If you post diffs created by CVS diff,
we'll commit them for you.
If you can, join us at #debian-oo on irc.openprojects.net for a chat.
Chris
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Hi *, sorry, I forgot which server the CVS is on and how to connect. Can you help? Additionally, I would ask how it is regulated with the CVS commit access. How do I get one? Is there any possibility? Rene pgpsLoL0wCZDf.pgp Description: PGP signature
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