Re: Kanboard and alternatives for mentoring
(please reply on debian-devel unless your reply is very specific to one of the other teams) Hi all, I wanted to share this discussion with the wider community as Kanboard has appeared in two different teams (DebConf and Outreach) and it also relates to (or potentially duplicates) the functionality of other tools like the BTS or the RT system used by DSA... On 21/02/18 14:05, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:40:00PM -0500, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: >>> - we probably need to get some feedback from DebConf team, they already >>> discuss[1] it, maybe somebody will be willing to comment in this thread. >>> Two specific questions for DebConf team: are you happy with Kanboard or >>> might you use another solution for 2019? Do you see a possibility of >>> running a shared instance of it or do you really want your instance to >>> be DebConf only? >> >> I've been using KanBoard for a while now, both for DebConf and for my >> job. I'm also the one doing most of the admin work for the >> kanban.debian.net instance at the moment. >> >> I can't speak for the DC19 folks, but I like KanBoard a lot. The main >> developer is doing a lot of work and KanBoard keeps improving. The >> available plugins are nice too. Overall, it seems like a mature project. >> >> We are currently in the process of migrating the kanban.debian.net >> instance to DSA infrastructure. DSA has been very responsive and the >> only reason this has not been done yet is that I don't have a lot of >> spare time these days. >> >> At the moment, this instance is hosted on the personal server of an >> ex-dc17 team member, and thus not suitable for massive usage. >> >> Once migrated to DSA infra, I have plans to make it available to the >> whole Debian project. I have to talk with DSA about it, but as I see it, >> the easiest path would be to use the Gitlab plugin and to let people >> authenticate using their salsa.debian.org account. >> >> If I had to give an ETA on this, I would say it should be done in 3 >> months? My university semester will be over and I should be a DD by >> then, making it easier for DSA to give me access to a VM. > > FTR, gitlab supports kanban boards for repositories where issues are > enabled. maybe using salsa for kanban boards would be an avenue worth > exploring instead of maintaining yet another service, since salsa is > already being maintained anyway. > > of course, KanBoard being a specialized tool, it probably has more > features and is way better than the gitlab kanban. or maybe, the gitlab > kanban is Good Enough™ for most uses. > Duplication of effort in maintaining these things could be an issue. Does the issue tracker in Gitlab duplicate the BTS functionality? That could be a reason not to enable it and simply run Kanboard for activities that don't really intersect with the BTS content. On the other hand, in the Outreach world (GSoC and Outreachy), there may be cases where an intern is working on some issues tracked in the BTS as well as some standalone issues. For example, on Renata's board[2], we create tasks for small things like asking for feedback from the Moin-dev mailing list, that isn't a task that would go in the BTS. Another possibility: DSA already run RT and there is a Kanban extension[3] for it. As mentioned in my blog recently, I would also like to encourage a student to develop a GUI that can interface to multiple[4] issue trackers (BTS, RT, etc) and aggregate the issues in a single Kanban view on the desktop. Regards, Daniel 2. https://wiki.debian.org/RenataDAvila 3. https://github.com/nixcloud/rt-extension-kanban 4. https://danielpocock.com/worlds-largest-kanban-board-with-free-software-communities
Re: Kanboard and alternatives for mentoring
Am 21.02.2018 um 14:05 schrieb Antonio Terceiro: > FTR, gitlab supports kanban boards for repositories where issues are > enabled. maybe using salsa for kanban boards would be an avenue worth > exploring instead of maintaining yet another service, since salsa is > already being maintained anyway. I didn't know this. Thanks! https://about.gitlab.com/2017/08/23/issue-boards-anniversary/ provides a useful overview and some screenshots. Acc. to https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/issue_board.html the "Multiple Issues Board" (more than one board per "project") seems to only be available on the "Enterprise Edition". And more recently: https://about.gitlab.com/features/issueboard/ says the "Group Issue Board" (Kanban board on a group level) seems to only be available on the "Enterprise Edition Premium". If the functionality is not too severely crippled otherwise (or gets crippled more which is always the risk with "Freemium" products) it could suffice feature-wise. Read: I read up but did not try anything. One thing to note is that only "Project owners" can delete issues in Gitlab (https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/issues/deleting_issues.html).
Re: Kanboard and alternatives for mentoring
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:40:00PM -0500, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > > - we probably need to get some feedback from DebConf team, they already > > discuss[1] it, maybe somebody will be willing to comment in this thread. > > Two specific questions for DebConf team: are you happy with Kanboard or > > might you use another solution for 2019? Do you see a possibility of > > running a shared instance of it or do you really want your instance to > > be DebConf only? > > I've been using KanBoard for a while now, both for DebConf and for my > job. I'm also the one doing most of the admin work for the > kanban.debian.net instance at the moment. > > I can't speak for the DC19 folks, but I like KanBoard a lot. The main > developer is doing a lot of work and KanBoard keeps improving. The > available plugins are nice too. Overall, it seems like a mature project. > > We are currently in the process of migrating the kanban.debian.net > instance to DSA infrastructure. DSA has been very responsive and the > only reason this has not been done yet is that I don't have a lot of > spare time these days. > > At the moment, this instance is hosted on the personal server of an > ex-dc17 team member, and thus not suitable for massive usage. > > Once migrated to DSA infra, I have plans to make it available to the > whole Debian project. I have to talk with DSA about it, but as I see it, > the easiest path would be to use the Gitlab plugin and to let people > authenticate using their salsa.debian.org account. > > If I had to give an ETA on this, I would say it should be done in 3 > months? My university semester will be over and I should be a DD by > then, making it easier for DSA to give me access to a VM. FTR, gitlab supports kanban boards for repositories where issues are enabled. maybe using salsa for kanban boards would be an avenue worth exploring instead of maintaining yet another service, since salsa is already being maintained anyway. of course, KanBoard being a specialized tool, it probably has more features and is way better than the gitlab kanban. or maybe, the gitlab kanban is Good Enough™ for most uses. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Kanboard and alternatives for mentoring
> - we probably need to get some feedback from DebConf team, they already > discuss[1] it, maybe somebody will be willing to comment in this thread. > Two specific questions for DebConf team: are you happy with Kanboard or > might you use another solution for 2019? Do you see a possibility of > running a shared instance of it or do you really want your instance to > be DebConf only? I've been using KanBoard for a while now, both for DebConf and for my job. I'm also the one doing most of the admin work for the kanban.debian.net instance at the moment. I can't speak for the DC19 folks, but I like KanBoard a lot. The main developer is doing a lot of work and KanBoard keeps improving. The available plugins are nice too. Overall, it seems like a mature project. We are currently in the process of migrating the kanban.debian.net instance to DSA infrastructure. DSA has been very responsive and the only reason this has not been done yet is that I don't have a lot of spare time these days. At the moment, this instance is hosted on the personal server of an ex-dc17 team member, and thus not suitable for massive usage. Once migrated to DSA infra, I have plans to make it available to the whole Debian project. I have to talk with DSA about it, but as I see it, the easiest path would be to use the Gitlab plugin and to let people authenticate using their salsa.debian.org account. If I had to give an ETA on this, I would say it should be done in 3 months? My university semester will be over and I should be a DD by then, making it easier for DSA to give me access to a VM. Hope that helps, -- pollo signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Kanboard and alternatives for mentoring
On 16/02/18 12:41, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: > Hello > > El 16/02/18 a las 10:30, Daniel Pocock escribió: >> >> Hi, >> >> The DebConf team is running kanban.debian.net >> >> We weren't sure if that is open to Outreachy and GSoC so Paulo kindly >> set up an instance at kanban.softwarelivre.org for Renata's project: >> >> https://kanban.softwarelivre.org/?controller=BoardViewController&action=readonly&token=5e753bdc0023a5ae54bec401ca407a3dc642e9a0c10f8e56da6a77e25300 >> >> Have other mentors used similar things? >> >> Would anybody like to share the instance used by DebConf or setup >> another instance as a standard tool for Outreachy? >> >> Or would anybody propose an alternative tool for the next round? >> > > There are two kanban webapps already available in storm.debian.net (a > Sandstorm > instance): Scrumblr and Wekan. > > In 2015 I created one document of each, available for tests and playgrounds, > for > the DebConf team: > > Test Scrumblr: http://deb.li/testscrum > Test Wekan : http://deb.li/testwekan > > The other team members concluded that these apps were too "simple" for help > organising a DebConf (and then, deployed their kanban instance), but I think > they may be useful for smaller projects as GSoC/Outreachy. > > The tests are still online, if anybody wants to try and play with them. > > If anybody needs/wants access to storm.debian.net or their user has not enough > privileges to create new grains (one grain is a "document" of a certain app, > e.g. a wekan board, or an etherpad, or a framadate poll...), just ping me by > mail or IRC and I'll attend the request ASAP. > Here are some potential action items for taking this further: - anybody can test any of these tools and give feedback in these thread, even if you don't want to be an admin or mentor. Students are also welcome to give feedback. - we probably need to get some feedback from DebConf team, they already discuss[1] it, maybe somebody will be willing to comment in this thread. Two specific questions for DebConf team: are you happy with Kanboard or might you use another solution for 2019? Do you see a possibility of running a shared instance of it or do you really want your instance to be DebConf only? - creating a wiki page about the Kanban board evaluation and how it will be used in this team. One topic specific to mentoring: can we create a template with a list of tasks that have to be repeated each year so we don't have to manually re-create each task in each round? - checking whether everything needed is already packaged in stable or backports (DSA may not host it if it is not packaged) - discussion with DSA about whether they are willing to host it and which server might be available. Probably needs an RT ticket, DebConf team already opened ticket #6836 https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA/RTUsage Regards, Daniel 1. https://lists.debian.org/debconf-team/2017/08/msg00036.html
Re: Kanboard and alternatives for mentoring
Hello El 16/02/18 a las 10:30, Daniel Pocock escribió: > > Hi, > > The DebConf team is running kanban.debian.net > > We weren't sure if that is open to Outreachy and GSoC so Paulo kindly > set up an instance at kanban.softwarelivre.org for Renata's project: > > https://kanban.softwarelivre.org/?controller=BoardViewController&action=readonly&token=5e753bdc0023a5ae54bec401ca407a3dc642e9a0c10f8e56da6a77e25300 > > Have other mentors used similar things? > > Would anybody like to share the instance used by DebConf or setup > another instance as a standard tool for Outreachy? > > Or would anybody propose an alternative tool for the next round? > There are two kanban webapps already available in storm.debian.net (a Sandstorm instance): Scrumblr and Wekan. In 2015 I created one document of each, available for tests and playgrounds, for the DebConf team: Test Scrumblr: http://deb.li/testscrum Test Wekan : http://deb.li/testwekan The other team members concluded that these apps were too "simple" for help organising a DebConf (and then, deployed their kanban instance), but I think they may be useful for smaller projects as GSoC/Outreachy. The tests are still online, if anybody wants to try and play with them. If anybody needs/wants access to storm.debian.net or their user has not enough privileges to create new grains (one grain is a "document" of a certain app, e.g. a wekan board, or an etherpad, or a framadate poll...), just ping me by mail or IRC and I'll attend the request ASAP. Cheers -- Laura Arjona Reina https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona > Note that my project proposal for a client-side Kanban board[1] is not > related to this question - that would still depend on a server side > solution anyway, unless an intern could track all their issues in the BTS. > > Regards, > > Daniel > > > > 1. > https://danielpocock.com/worlds-largest-kanban-board-with-free-software-communities >
Kanboard and alternatives for mentoring
Hi, The DebConf team is running kanban.debian.net We weren't sure if that is open to Outreachy and GSoC so Paulo kindly set up an instance at kanban.softwarelivre.org for Renata's project: https://kanban.softwarelivre.org/?controller=BoardViewController&action=readonly&token=5e753bdc0023a5ae54bec401ca407a3dc642e9a0c10f8e56da6a77e25300 Have other mentors used similar things? Would anybody like to share the instance used by DebConf or setup another instance as a standard tool for Outreachy? Or would anybody propose an alternative tool for the next round? Note that my project proposal for a client-side Kanban board[1] is not related to this question - that would still depend on a server side solution anyway, unless an intern could track all their issues in the BTS. Regards, Daniel 1. https://danielpocock.com/worlds-largest-kanban-board-with-free-software-communities
