starting with X
dear folk, i have had the weirdest luck with X, kde, what have you. to wit: performing a network install in dec 2003 was astonishingly easy. since then, i have had nothing but hairpulling and cursing trying to get anything other than a command line prompt. google has provided nothing but false leads. local library and bookstores have linux books exclusively for x86 architecture. here's my situation: ordinarily, typing in startx or xf86cfg (or any of their ilk) causes my screen to flash four times and come back with a cryptic error message along the lines of "error connecting to server... explicit kill or shutdown". last week, i decided to try "apt-get install apache" as part of a perl course. smooth, good, easy, (no, I'm not sure why I didn't choose apache in tasksel the first time through). out of habit, i suppose, i restarted. imagine my surprise to find myself with a GUI login to a kde desktop! I was in heaven for about a day, apache near forgotten, until I logged out and tried to log back in again as root (yes, i know, 'su' is better). my keyboard and mouse had no effect on the login screen. I muttered #!2e%***, and performed a hard power cycle. GUI gone. back to CLI. apache works nicely, though configuring it for perl is going to require a _lot_ of research from the looks of it. why should installing apache cause kde to work correctly for one login? i decided to re-install onto a wiped hard drive and keep a log of EVERY decision, action, potentially relevant message. much faster the second time around, but still no graphical environment. does anyone know how to get kde up and running on a 7600 (g3 upgrade card) ? hopeful that others in similar boats will be able to offer guidance or moral support... peter -- HTML formatted email has a 99% chance of being flensed by my filters, never to appear on my screen. Nothing personal. Unsolicited commercial email will be retrieved and/or read and/or translated and/or considered and/or printed and/or shredded and/or deleted and/or stored at a charge of $500.00 CDN per service per message. Use of this email address indicates consent to these terms. If this is unclear, consult Yojo before contacting me. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Partitioning?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 04:22:47PM -, Ian Rutson wrote: > I have been given a Beige Mac G3/233/96Mb/4Gb > > I would like to use Linux and Mac OS dual boot on it. > > I have installed Debian Woody on a 2nd 200Mb hard drive to check everything > is Ok and it works well. But I would like to give Linux some more space. > > Is there any way to split the 4Gb main drive in half and allocate 2gb to Mac > OS and 2 gb to Linux? > > I do not have the MAC OS 8.1 system disk. I have borrowed a copy of 9.1 but > I can't persuade it to boot. I have tried holding down 'c' and selecting > the CDROM as the startup disk. > > Are there any non destructive partitioners for Mac like Partition Magic for > PC? Yes, and that's about your only option if you can't back up what's there. (The tools will not guarantee success either, you _should_ have a backup in any case). Hard Disk Toolkit will shrink the partition. -- "The way the Romans made sure their bridges worked is what we should do with software engineers. They put the designer under the bridge, and then they marched over it." -- Lawrence Bernstein, Discover, Feb 2003
Re: Booting the Debian installation CD on Powerbook G4 12"
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:02:32PM +0100, Jerome RICHARD wrote: > I've seen in the debian powerpc mailing list that you have installed a > debian on a PowerBook G4 12". > > I've just buyed one and the Debian CD-ROM don't boot (But boot on a > eMac). Do you know how I should do ? Yes, and since this took a lot of work and fooling around, I thought I should post a summary to this list and to a web page (since I'm lazy I'll probably start by just posting this email at http://valla.uchicago.edu/ppc/pbG412.html). First of all, I couldn't boot from the CD either. I put yaboot, yaboot.conf, root.bin and a kernel (another challenge: see next paragraph) on the OS X partition, per Branden's instructions for the iBook at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html, and booted into open firmware and entered: boot hd:3,yaboot I'm not completely sure that it was hd:3 -- do a 'df' in OS X and see what partition it is, because there aren't as many driver partitions as there used to be, but there's at least one more than you actually need. My OS X root is now /dev/disk0s2, which would be hd:2. That will get you booting into the boot-floppies installer. But when you get to the step of partitioning/initializing/mounting your hard drive, the kernel you get from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/new-powermac/ will tell you "No hard disks were found." If you look at /dev/hda you'll see that it's your optical drive. The problem is that this disk is ATA-100, and the current kernels are only for ATA-66. I had to build a kernel that supported ATA-100, but I still don't know what chipset this machine is using (anybody?) so I just added them all -- not an elegant solution, but it works. It makes for a 3.8 MB kernel image, but you can download it at http://valla.uchicago.edu/ppc/vmlinux-pbg412.bz2 (you probably need to bunzip2 it for it to boot). So put my kernel (or your own-built kernel with the right ATA chipset support, as long as you tell me what it is) in /vmlinux on your OS X partition, reboot with cmd+opt+O+F, boot hd:3,yaboot or whatever is right (you could tell me this as well, if people are going to refer to my web page or this email thread). From there things should be okay -- the hard drive is /dev/hdc, and you can read the packages off the CD just fine, even if you can't boot from it. After you install, you should boot to OS X, change OSX:/yaboot.conf to point at your GNU root partition and remove the line about root.bin, then reboot with hd:3,yaboot or whatever (still from the OS X partition). My kernel has support for cpu frequency scaling via /proc/cpufreq -- and now when it boots it claims to be at 53 MHz. You can get this up to the proper 867 MHz by doing echo -n "100:200:performance" > /proc/cpufreq but in practice I haven't noticed this making much of a difference -- I mean, the machine isn't actually running at 53 MHz. If you're building this for your own kernel you need the patch that benh sent: http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/debian-powerpc-200302/msg00106.html (this works great). And this message http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/debian-powerpc-200302/msg00094.html is useful, since it sends you here: http://penguinppc.org/~daniels/README for XFree86, which works, but only once per boot -- if you exit XFree, the screen goes black and you pretty much have to reboot over ssh. You should install the newest version of yaboot from http://penguinppc.org/projects/yaboot , because it's supposed work with our hardware -- though it still isn't working for me to boot directly into GNU/Linux without going through Open Firmware. I might be making some stupid mistake here, even though I haven't had this kind of trouble with yaboot before. When I try to boot to GNU by default I get a folder with a question mark, then a folder with a finder-face on it, then it boots OS X. It also doesn't seem to be recognizing "enablecdboot" or "enableofboot" but, again, I might be the one with the problem. But so I still boot Open Firmware and do boot hd:4,yaboot to boot to GNU without going through OS X (hd:4 being my yaboot bootstrap partition.) hd:3,yaboot also works, since both kernels are identical for me right now. Sound and DVD-playing work just as in the iBook. APM correctly shows battery level. I still haven't tried burning a CD or a DVD. I'd like it if I could help in some way with getting pmud and Airport Extreme working, but I don't know what I can do to help. I'm asking a question, there. Hope this helps, O.
problem with starting up lyx using Qt, compiled with gcc 3.2
Hi.. I'm trying to get LyX (www.lyx.org) working on my ibook with the benh kernel.. LyX uses Qt as a frontend so I downloaded and compiled qt 3.0.7 with gcc 3.2.1. I then compiled lyx with gcc 3.2.1.. compile goes fine but when I startup lyx I get the following error: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/opt/lyx-1.3.0$ src/lyx src/lyx: relocation error: src/lyx: undefined symbol: _ZN5QChar4nullE I've checked with the LyX developers and they are looking at it but they've asked me to check with debian developers too.. and the error isn't very descriptive so that doesn't help much either.. does anyone have any ideas on what the problem might be? Thanks, nirmal
RE: Building kernel
Hi Reto, try http://www.ibooklinux.net/plain_page.php?caller=ibooklinux.php+record=86. Look for the iBook (not iMac!) benH tree kernel. This is a precompiled kernel and the config file used in building it is listed there for download. There is a very good page available out there which lists the whole installation process along w/ config files. http://mega.ist.utl.pt/~mmsf/ibook.html You should read all of the other postings on this mailing list to get everything working properly. I am assuming that you have already setup and rsync'd, ben's latest kernel src benH-2.4.20-ben5. If not, you really should. His stuff is really cutting edge and excellent. use the above config file as a guide and cut out or customize any thing the way you want it. If you have trouble, post again and I will attach my ..config file that I am using on my ibook2.2 right now. (I am at work at the moment and can't get to it.) but you should be fine. I hope you have compiled the kernel before... otherwise it will be a little more painful but no big deal. good luck. ajay -Original Message- Reto Stalder wrote: > Hi, > > I've tried to build my own kernel, following Mij's tips on his page. > Unfortunately I get compiler errors. I guess that I mess up some settings. > Would somebody send me his .config? I have an ibook 2.2 (800MHz, Radeon > 7500). > > Regards, > Reto H
fdisk for RS/6000
Hello I am using unstable and I can longer view my partition table. fdisk and pdisk both dont work. What is the problem? JD
Re: is gnome 2 closer to OS X than 1.4 ?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 01:59:38PM +0200, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 13:03, Sven Luther wrote: > > > BTW, the real version of gnome you are wanting is 2.2, which is > > available for unstable, but not yet for testing, because the new libc6 > > is not yet in testing. So you can either try to rebuild your packages > > for woody, if it is not already done somewhere, wait a bit that gnome > > 2.2 finally enters testing or upgrade to unstable. > > Oh, I totally agree. Gnome 2.2 is the thing to get. BTW, there was just posted a mail to the debian-gtk-gnome mailing list titled "Gnome2.2 backport for woody completed" which gives instructions on how to build gnome 2.2 packages for woody. It is i386 specific, but i guess the same thing can be done for powerpc. Friendly, Sven Luther
Partitioning, Beige G3
I have been given a Beige Mac G3/233/96Mb/4Gb I would like to use Linux and Mac OS dual boot on it. I have installed Debian Woody on a 2nd 200Mb hard drive to check everything is Ok and it works well. But I would like to give Linux some more space. Is there any way to split the 4Gb main drive in half and allocate 2gb to Mac OS and 2 gb to Linux? I do not have the MAC OS 8.1 system disk. I have borrowed a copy of 9.1 but I can't persuade it to boot. I have tried holding down 'c' and selecting the CDROM as the startup disk. Are there any non destructive partitioners for Mac like Partition Magic for PC? Any other ideas? -- Ian Rutson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/2003
Partitioning?
I have been given a Beige Mac G3/233/96Mb/4Gb I would like to use Linux and Mac OS dual boot on it. I have installed Debian Woody on a 2nd 200Mb hard drive to check everything is Ok and it works well. But I would like to give Linux some more space. Is there any way to split the 4Gb main drive in half and allocate 2gb to Mac OS and 2 gb to Linux? I do not have the MAC OS 8.1 system disk. I have borrowed a copy of 9.1 but I can't persuade it to boot. I have tried holding down 'c' and selecting the CDROM as the startup disk. Are there any non destructive partitioners for Mac like Partition Magic for PC? Any other idea? -- Chippy² "There are 10 sorts of people in this world; those who know binary, and those who don't" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/2003
Re: Upgrading from stable to testing
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:26:39PM +1100, Michael Lake wrote: > Hi all, > > I am interested in upgrading from stable to testing but have a few > qualms... well will it go OK as I spend quite some time getting Debian > stable onto this machine. > I am running Debian stabel on a Ti G4 PowerBook 667MHz with the radeon > graphics chip. > I am running the benh kernel and the dri trunk of XFree. michael, i just installed on a similar machine (800Mhz with radeon M7, 15"). after the base install (pre-X) i upgraded to sid and things went very smoothly. i realize you have invested a good deal of time getting stable dialed in, so your update is clearly different, but i thought a quick note to let you know things work very nicely on sid would help. i basically followed the excellent instructions at: http://www.cattlegrid.net/~christophe/titanium/ the only thing i've not had success with is getting sleep to function properly. at times when sending the machine into sleep the screen gets garbled and the machine hangs forcing a reboot. other times it goes to sleep but i can't get the machine to wake up. other than that, this is a very nice machine and debian runs great on it. kudos to all the powerpc developers. -- Serge Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown. - John Prine "That's the way the world goes round." pgpGW5gQcxIOb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: is gnome 2 closer to OS X than 1.4 ?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 09:44:18AM -0600, Rob Latham wrote: > On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:11:25PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Did you try to run the new X apple released on top of OS X on top of MOL ? > > it doesn't quite work. XDarwin doesn't work either, but does give a > bit more information. I can only presume the same issue that keeps > XDarwin from starting is also keeping apple's X11 from starting. No wonder, since XDarwin and apple's X11 are mostly the same thing. > http://lists.linuxppc.org/mol-general/200210/msg00084.html > > As for the acceleration questions, the mac-on-linux lists are > exceedingly helpful. I will have a look when i have a bit more time. I was just curious because XDarwin uses Apple's underlying graphic rendering, and since we kind of emulate that in mol, ... Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: is gnome 2 closer to OS X than 1.4 ?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:11:25PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Did you try to run the new X apple released on top of OS X on top of MOL ? it doesn't quite work. XDarwin doesn't work either, but does give a bit more information. I can only presume the same issue that keeps XDarwin from starting is also keeping apple's X11 from starting. http://lists.linuxppc.org/mol-general/200210/msg00084.html As for the acceleration questions, the mac-on-linux lists are exceedingly helpful. ==rob -- Rob LathamChicago, IL USA
Re: Building kernel
Reto Stalder wrote: Hi, I've tried to build my own kernel, following Mij's tips on his page. Unfortunately I get compiler errors. I guess that I mess up some settings. Would somebody send me his .config? I have an ibook 2.2 (800MHz, Radeon 7500). Regards, Reto How about the .config used to build the packaged kernel? For me it's in the package "kernel-patch-2.4.18-powerpc" and is located in /usr/src/kernel-patches/powerpc/config.newpmac once installed. There is another copy of the config which is stored in /boot but it doesn't have all the N lines which may cause make-kpkg minor grief. (doesn't make-kpkg run "make config" and ask you questions if it doesn't have all the No lines in .config?) --Sam George "Cira"
Re: Upgrading from stable to testing
On Fre, 2003-02-14 at 04:26, Michael Lake wrote: > > I am interested in upgrading from stable to testing but have a few > qualms... well will it go OK as I spend quite some time getting Debian > stable onto this machine. There are no guarantees, but Debian upgrades tend to be smooth. :) > Having read the various howtos and posts that are around for such an > upgrade it seems all I need to do is: [ sources.list snippet snipped ] > In the above comment out the security deb line and replace all instances > of stable with testing. You may even want to keep the stable security line. > # apt-get upgrade > The following packages have been kept back >xlibmesa-dev-dri-trunk xlibmesa3-dri-trunk > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. If the same thing happens with dist-upgrade, try apt-get install xlibmesa-dev-dri-trunk xlibmesa3-dri-trunk and see what the problem is. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast
Re: is gnome 2 closer to OS X than 1.4 ?
OoO En ce début d'après-midi nuageux du vendredi 14 février 2003, vers 14:11, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> disait: > Did you try to run the new X apple released on top of OS X on top of > MOL ? I don't use OS X, so I haven't not tried this. -- BOFH excuse #281: The co-locator cannot verify the frame-relay gateway to the ISDN server.
Re: is gnome 2 closer to OS X than 1.4 ?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 01:46:51PM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: > OoO En cette matinée pluvieuse du vendredi 14 février 2003, vers > 10:47, Jean-Christophe Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> disait: > > > Is it best to try to install Gnome 2 on woody or switch to testing ? > > Does mol (mac os 9.2) work with testing ? > > BTW, mol is now able to run OS X. I am curious, ... Did you try to run the new X apple released on top of OS X on top of MOL ? How does mol handle graphical acceleration and other such ? Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: is gnome 2 closer to OS X than 1.4 ?
OoO En cette matinée pluvieuse du vendredi 14 février 2003, vers
10:47, Jean-Christophe Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> disait:
> Is it best to try to install Gnome 2 on woody or switch to testing ?
> Does mol (mac os 9.2) work with testing ?
BTW, mol is now able to run OS X.
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Re: is gnome 2 closer to OS X than 1.4 ?
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 13:03, Sven Luther wrote: > BTW, the real version of gnome you are wanting is 2.2, which is > available for unstable, but not yet for testing, because the new libc6 > is not yet in testing. So you can either try to rebuild your packages > for woody, if it is not already done somewhere, wait a bit that gnome > 2.2 finally enters testing or upgrade to unstable. Oh, I totally agree. Gnome 2.2 is the thing to get. Tuomas -- Tuomas Kuosmanen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.ximian.com
Re: is gnome 2 closer to OS X than 1.4 ?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:54:29PM +0200, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 11:47, Jean-Christophe Michel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > it's not a troll. I run successfully woody/benh on pwb Pismo (500 MHz) > > for some months, using Gnome 1.4. > > When I compare to mac OSX I'd like to have characters smoothing, > > copy/paste working between apps (Mozilla/console/editors) > > and I wonder if Gnome2 would have this features. > > Gnome 2 has text antialiasing using the Freetype library, so it is > pretty high quality as well :-) > > There are some improvements with Cut and paste, like you can cut HTML > from Mozilla and paste to Evolution mail composer, or you can cut a > spreadsheet from Openoffice and paste it as a HTML table to your mail > message.[*] O think those things are being improved continuously. Drag > and drop for opening files works very well on Gnome2 > > > Is it best to try to install Gnome 2 on woody or switch to testing ? > > Does mol (mac os 9.2) work with testing ? > > Mol should just care about the kernel more or less, so that it finds > your MOL kernelmodules. If it also finds a working framebuffer and a > MacOS to boot from it should be happy.. I use MOL in testing and > unstable and it seems to work fine. Thouhg I dont update every day so > some breakeage might have slipped through unnoticed :-) BTW, the real version of gnome you are wanting is 2.2, which is available for unstable, but not yet for testing, because the new libc6 is not yet in testing. So you can either try to rebuild your packages for woody, if it is not already done somewhere, wait a bit that gnome 2.2 finally enters testing or upgrade to unstable. Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: is gnome 2 closer to OS X than 1.4 ?
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 11:47, Jean-Christophe Michel wrote: > Hi, > > it's not a troll. I run successfully woody/benh on pwb Pismo (500 MHz) > for some months, using Gnome 1.4. > When I compare to mac OSX I'd like to have characters smoothing, > copy/paste working between apps (Mozilla/console/editors) > and I wonder if Gnome2 would have this features. Gnome 2 has text antialiasing using the Freetype library, so it is pretty high quality as well :-) There are some improvements with Cut and paste, like you can cut HTML from Mozilla and paste to Evolution mail composer, or you can cut a spreadsheet from Openoffice and paste it as a HTML table to your mail message.[*] O think those things are being improved continuously. Drag and drop for opening files works very well on Gnome2 > Is it best to try to install Gnome 2 on woody or switch to testing ? > Does mol (mac os 9.2) work with testing ? Mol should just care about the kernel more or less, so that it finds your MOL kernelmodules. If it also finds a working framebuffer and a MacOS to boot from it should be happy.. I use MOL in testing and unstable and it seems to work fine. Thouhg I dont update every day so some breakeage might have slipped through unnoticed :-) Best, Tuomas [* the subject of HTML mail is not the point in this message :-] -- Tuomas Kuosmanen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.ximian.com
is gnome 2 closer to OS X than 1.4 ?
Hi, it's not a troll. I run successfully woody/benh on pwb Pismo (500 MHz) for some months, using Gnome 1.4. When I compare to mac OSX I'd like to have characters smoothing, copy/paste working between apps (Mozilla/console/editors) and I wonder if Gnome2 would have this features. Is it best to try to install Gnome 2 on woody or switch to testing ? Does mol (mac os 9.2) work with testing ? Are gnome-pim and gnome-think more powerful in testing ? Thks -- Jean-Christophe Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Building kernel
Hi, I've tried to build my own kernel, following Mij's tips on his page. Unfortunately I get compiler errors. I guess that I mess up some settings. Would somebody send me his .config? I have an ibook 2.2 (800MHz, Radeon 7500). Regards, Reto -- Visit us on WWW.VOLLEYTOTAL.CH
