Re[2]: News

2005-10-12 Thread Paddy Bradford
Breaking news alert issue - big news coming.

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We give it to you again as a gift. This company is doing
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strategic aquisitions. Current price is $4.70. 
Short term projection is $8. This company has dropped 
big new's in the past. Who's to say they don't have 
another big one.


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Re: Hwo to get the display on external monitor or videoprojector

2005-10-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2005-10-07 12:25:54 +0200, Philippe Hupé wrote:
 I made the modifications suggested by Peter. But nothing happens. At
 boot, my external monitor keeps white.
 
 Does anybody have an idea?

On my PowerBook G4 (PowerBook3,2) with ATI Technologies Inc Rage
Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02), I use m3mirror and the attached
kernel patch (by Julien BLACHE).

This has the advantage to work with the console too.

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--- arch/ppc/syslib/prom_init.c.old 2005-03-02 08:38:33.0 +0100
+++ arch/ppc/syslib/prom_init.c 2005-04-16 22:51:20.0 +0200
@@ -401,7 +401,7 @@
break;
}
 
-   for (j=0; jprom_num_displays; j++) {
+   for (j=0; j1; j++) {
path = prom_display_paths[j];
node = prom_display_nodes[j];
prom_print(opening display );


Re: Anyone experiencing bash hangs?

2005-10-12 Thread William Xu
Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi,

 I'm experiencing intermittent bash hangs;
 it seems to be stuck at 100% CPU usage
 waiting for some process to end.

 Is there anyone experiencing similar problem?

 It seems to happen when I'm hitting ctrl-c in
 the command-line.

Not sure whether we are experiencing the same problem. 

Here, in a terminal under X, such as mlterm, the terminal would hang
suddenly at random, and my ibook starts beeping, then the whole system
dies. I have to press `Ctrl + Apple + Power' to reboot the system. After
retrying and reproducing several times, it seems pressing TAB key is the
main cause. 

This problem is really weird. For this reason, i dare not use any
terminals under X. While, luckily, Emacs(who provides several shells)
and Console don't have the above problem, they save me. :-)

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Re: Airport Extreme works on linux!

2005-10-12 Thread Bin Zhang
On 9/2/05, Matteo Bigoi - Bigo! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 See http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-365647.html


There is a new gentoo archive mol-0.9.71_pre3 more generic for other
distributions.
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-365647-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-75.html#top

It works on my ibook g4 debian unstable after a little path (attached).
(I must build it as root.)

Best regards,
Bin


 You have to run mol and use a tunl net device.

 Tomorrow I will try this strange method to use a wireless card and I
 will post my results!

 Ciao

 Bigo!

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diff -Nur mol-0.9.71_pre3/Makefile.dist mol-0.9.71_pre3+1/Makefile.dist
--- mol-0.9.71_pre3/Makefile.dist   2005-01-18 00:07:07.0 +0100
+++ mol-0.9.71_pre3+1/Makefile.dist 2005-10-12 08:18:06.0 +0200
@@ -123,6 +123,7 @@
@$(INSTALL_DATA) $(molshare)/syms/of_words  $(_datadir)/syms/
@$(INSTALL_DATA) $(molshare)/nvram/nvram.dist   $(_datadir)/nvram/
@$(INSTALL_DATA) $(molshare)/nvram/nvram.dist   $(_vardir)/nvram.nw
+   @$(INSTALL_DATA) $(molshare)/nvram/nvram.x  $(_vardir)/
@$(MAKE) -C Doc install
chmod u+s $(_libdir)/bin/mol
 
diff -Nur mol-0.9.71_pre3/src/kmod/entry.S mol-0.9.71_pre3+1/src/kmod/entry.S
--- mol-0.9.71_pre3/src/kmod/entry.S2005-01-18 00:07:06.0 +0100
+++ mol-0.9.71_pre3+1/src/kmod/entry.S  2005-10-12 08:13:19.0 +0200
@@ -55,7 +55,7 @@
mtcrr3
 
// msr to be used in mac-mode
-   LOADI   r3,MSR_ME | MSR_IR | MSR_DR | MSR_PR | MSR_EE 
+   LOADI   r3,(MSR_ME | MSR_IR | MSR_DR | MSR_PR | MSR_EE) 
stw r3,K_MSR(r1)
 
PERF_MONITOR_SETUP /**/ r4
diff -Nur mol-0.9.71_pre3/src/kmod/splitmode.S 
mol-0.9.71_pre3+1/src/kmod/splitmode.S
--- mol-0.9.71_pre3/src/kmod/splitmode.S2005-01-18 00:07:06.0 
+0100
+++ mol-0.9.71_pre3+1/src/kmod/splitmode.S  2005-10-12 08:13:41.0 
+0200
@@ -332,7 +332,7 @@
sync// 74xx needs this
 
mtsrr0  r2  // The simplest thing is to do 
an RFI
-   LOADI   r3,MSR_EE | MSR_PR | MSR_IR | MSR_SE | MSR_BE
+   LOADI   r3,(MSR_EE | MSR_PR | MSR_IR | MSR_SE | MSR_BE)
andcr4,r7,r3// Clear msr bits (r7=srr1)
xGPR_LOAD   R6
xGPR_LOAD   R7  
diff -Nur mol-0.9.71_pre3/src/molelf/init.S mol-0.9.71_pre3+1/src/molelf/init.S
--- mol-0.9.71_pre3/src/molelf/init.S   2005-01-18 00:07:06.0 +0100
+++ mol-0.9.71_pre3+1/src/molelf/init.S 2005-10-12 08:12:44.0 +0200
@@ -102,7 +102,7 @@
 
 GLOBL(_start):
LOADI   r1,stackspace
-   LOADI   r3,STACK_SIZE-4096
+   LOADI   r3,(STACK_SIZE-4096)
add r1,r1,r3
rlwinm  r1,r1,0,~0xf
li  r3,0


Resolution 800*600 on Powerbook 15' 1.67

2005-10-12 Thread Jay States
Hi Everyone,

I've been using Unix/Linux for years, but just now starting to use
Gnome/KDE.  I have both loaded on my Powerbook 1.67Ghz 15 inch, but the
screen resolution only displays @ 800*600.  Any pointers? 

One other question.  I have a leftover Belkin Wi-fi Card F5F7010 from my
dead powerbook... will that work with DebianPPC?

Thanks for the help and pointers,
J


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Re: Resolution 800*600 on Powerbook 15' 1.67

2005-10-12 Thread Johannes Berg
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 13:13 -0400, Jay States wrote:

 One other question.  I have a leftover Belkin Wi-fi Card F5F7010 from my
 dead powerbook... will that work with DebianPPC?

IIRC, it's the same chipset as the built-in one.

johannes


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Re: News

2005-10-12 Thread Orion Wang
Breaking news alert issue - big news coming.

Allixon International Corporation
A X C P . P K

We give it to you again as a gift. This company is doing
incredible things. They have cash and have made great 
strategic aquisitions. Current price is $4.70. 
Short term projection is $8. This company has dropped 
big new's in the past. Who's to say they don't have 
another big one.


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If marriage is your object,You'd better start loving your subject.   

If the world were a logical place, men would ride sidesaddle.  
The superfluous is very necessary.
Love, n - A temporary insanity curable by marriage.
He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches. 
The longer I live the more beautiful life becomes.
RESTITUTOR, n. Benefactor; philanthropist. 

We are drowning in information and starved for knowledge.
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Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.

2005-10-12 Thread Jérôme Warnier
Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 15:24 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
 On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:14:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
  On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote:
Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :)
   Sorry, but there is only cdrom, hd-media, and netboot in
   http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/.
   Is it netboot?
  
  Oh, damn, the floppies are still disabled then, will fix for tomorrow then.
  The main problem is that the drivers and other images are way too big for
  floppies.
 
 Ah, joeyh disabled them and forgot to reenable them once the miboot kernels
 entered the archive :/
So, I tried those available right now, and the boot image does not work
(the Mac ejects the floppy automatically after trying to read it).

 Friendly,
 
 Sven Luther



Re: Airport Extreme works on linux!

2005-10-12 Thread Bin Zhang
On 10/12/05, Bin Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 9/2/05, Matteo Bigoi - Bigo! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  See http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-365647.html
 

 There is a new gentoo archive mol-0.9.71_pre3 more generic for other
 distributions.
 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-365647-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-75.html#top

 It works on my ibook g4 debian unstable after a little path (attached).
 (I must build it as root.)

Update : The gentoo mol-0.9.71_pre4 (including my patch) is out :
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2794665.html#2794665

Bin

 Best regards,
 Bin


  You have to run mol and use a tunl net device.
 
  Tomorrow I will try this strange method to use a wireless card and I
  will post my results!
 
  Ciao
 
  Bigo!
 
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How to get rid of sungem at boot time?

2005-10-12 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer
Hi All

2.6.12, TitaniumIV, unstable.

This Debian boot system seems to be obsessed to find my ethernet crap
at boot time: I want to load my airport drivers, and only those, at
boot time, and not the ethernet crap, and I set
/etc/network/interfaces
accordingly:

Excerpt:

__

# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)

# The loopback interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# wireless orinoco:
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
pre-up /home/shorty/scripts/firewall.sh
pre-up modprobe airport
 [ ... ]
# START/STOP WEP DRIVERS:
pre-up modprobe arc4
pre-up modprobe crc32c
post-down rmmod arc4
post-down rmmod crc32c
post-down rmmod libcrc32c
# END WEP DRIVERS

 [ ... ]




But nearly every reboot the system somehow loads these sungem(_phy)
drivers, that, as far as I can see, are responsible for the mess
following when the system is trying to load unsuccessfully eth0
(airport) according to the interfaces file above.

Excerpt from /var/log/kern.log from, IINM, boot time, mentioning
sungem:  

-
try `ip1394'
Oct 12 21:42:43 debby kernel: [   48.217962] ohci1394: $Rev: 1250 $ Ben Collins 
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Oct 12 21:42:43 debby kernel: [   48.246573] ohci1394: fw-host0: Unexpected PCI 
resource length of 1000!
Oct 12 21:42:43 debby kernel: [   48.305601] ohci1394: fw-host0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (
PCI): IRQ=[40]  MMIO=[f500-f50007ff]  Max Packet=[2048]
...skipping...
Oct 12 21:42:43 debby kernel: [   48.979710] sungem.c:v0.98 8/24/03 David S. 
Miller (davem@redhat.com)
Oct 12 21:42:43 debby kernel: [   49.049083] PHY ID: 2060e1, addr: 0
Oct 12 21:42:43 debby kernel: [   49.066211] eth0: Sun GEM (PCI) 
10/100/1000BaseOct 12 21:42:43 debby kernel: [   49.073393] eth0: Found BCM5421 
PHY
023]  GUID[000393fffecde4c4]
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1394 Ethernet (fw-host0)
e, 2048kB Cache, DMA
0
Oct 12 21:42:43 debby kernel: [   55.835366] NET: Registered protocol family 10
ce c02cb330(lo)
Oct 12 21:42:43 debby kernel: [   55.846722] IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver
core team
ets, 49152 max) - 248 bytes per conntrack
-


So anyone knows which app/config at boot time might be responsible for
loading the sungem stuff? 
I already completely removed discover to fix this:

apt-get remove discover1-data discover1 libdiscover1

but to no avail so far ...

Where are these apps/files that load this ethernet crap? Hal, udev,
hotplug? 

I already grepped the whole /etc/ area for the eth pattern and
such, but nothing so far ...

And sure, I know I can blacklist sungem altogether somewhere in
/etc/hotplug .. But I think it's brain-dead to firstly let some
routine/script try loading a driver I don't want, and then remove it
again via the hotplug stuff. That's why I'm looking for this boot
routine that's obsessed by the idea to load sungem ...

Just in case: No, sungem is not loaded via /etc/modules.

Ah yes, nearly forgot that: Loading my airport card manually after
booting works like charm, after unloading the airport
etc./sungem(_phy) drivers. So it seems it's simply a lousy boot time
set up being responsible for the mess 

Again: My primary target is to get *sensibly* rid of sungem and
sungem_phy being loaded at boot time.

Any hints?

Thanks in anticipation
Wolfgang

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apt (intentionally?) brain dead?

2005-10-12 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer
Hi All

Once upon, IIRC, there were times when apt did very intelligently
automatically what I have to do now myself: When I tried to install a
package, apt-get/aptitude calculated the dependencies on other
packages for the one I wanted to install and then installed the whole
bunch of packages necessary for the installation of the one i needed.


It seems times have changed: Either apt/aptitude is braindead and on the brink
of becoming unusable, or, alternatively, the Debian folks
intentionally changed the software in a way where apt-get does not do
any more what it did some time ago. In the latter case the bug (again:
It's not a bug: I call it brain dead) would be an intentionally
designed feature.

Please look at this (for better readability I slightly edited the following):


[root@ 19:04:02]# apt-get --simulate install gconf2 
   
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... 0%
Building dependency tree... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gconf2: Depends: gconf2-common (= 2.10.1-6) but it is not going to be 
installed
  Conflicts: libgconf2-4 ( 2.10.1-3) but 2.10.1-1 is to be installed
  gnome-core: Depends: bug-buddy (= 2.10.0) but 2.8.0-3 is to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a 
solution).
[root@ 19:17:06]#

 
[root@ 19:17:06]# apt-get --simulate install gconf2 bug-buddy gconf2-common 
libgconf2-4
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gconf2-common
The following packages will be upgraded:
  bug-buddy gconf2 libgconf2-4
3 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 173 not upgraded.
Inst gconf2-common (2.10.1-6 Debian:unstable) [gnome-core ]
Inst libgconf2-4 [2.10.1-1] (2.10.1-6 Debian:unstable) [gnome-core ]
Inst bug-buddy [2.8.0-3] (2.10.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Inst gconf2 [2.10.1-1] (2.10.1-6 Debian:unstable)
Conf gconf2-common (2.10.1-6 Debian:unstable)
Conf libgconf2-4 (2.10.1-6 Debian:unstable)
Conf bug-buddy (2.10.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Conf gconf2 (2.10.1-6 Debian:unstable)
[root@ 19:17:54]#


Again: Is it brain dead software or a feature?

Or what did I miss?

Thanks in anticipation

Best Regards
Wolfgang

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Re: How to get rid of sungem at boot time?

2005-10-12 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 00:12 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:

 So anyone knows which app/config at boot time might be responsible for
 loading the sungem stuff? 
 I already completely removed discover to fix this:

sungem is your built-in ethernet. It show up on the PCI bus, thus
hotplug will automatically load the driver. Besides, it's a good thing
anyway as the sungem driver will deal with power management of the chip
even when you are not using it, for example, for sleep mode. It's just a
wrong way of thinking that you should remove drivers for HW you do not
use in fact :)

The problem here is assuming any kind of stability of the ethX numbers.
This can't work. Ever. You need some other ways of identifying your
interfaces. I don't know if debian network configure scripts provide any
such thing though.

 apt-get remove discover1-data discover1 libdiscover1
 
 but to no avail so far ...
 
 Where are these apps/files that load this ethernet crap? Hal, udev,
 hotplug? 

It's not crap, it's your ethernet interface and the drivers should be
loaded :) And yes, it's probably hotplug.

 I already grepped the whole /etc/ area for the eth pattern and
 such, but nothing so far ...
 
 And sure, I know I can blacklist sungem altogether somewhere in
 /etc/hotplug .. But I think it's brain-dead to firstly let some
 routine/script try loading a driver I don't want,

Bla bla bla bla..

  and then remove it
 again via the hotplug stuff. That's why I'm looking for this boot
 routine that's obsessed by the idea to load sungem ...

Because you have the hw, so it loads the driver, period.

 Just in case: No, sungem is not loaded via /etc/modules.
 
 Ah yes, nearly forgot that: Loading my airport card manually after
 booting works like charm, after unloading the airport
 etc./sungem(_phy) drivers. So it seems it's simply a lousy boot time
 set up being responsible for the mess 

airport isn't (yet) auto-detected by hotplug (soon). When that will
happen, your airport driver will also be automagically loaded and there
is no way to know which one will end up eth0 and which one will end up
eth1.

 Again: My primary target is to get *sensibly* rid of sungem and
 sungem_phy being loaded at boot time.

I'm sure if you put your machine on the floor, then jump on it several
times until it splits in at least 3 or 4 pieces, sungem will no longer
be loaded at boot time.

Ben.



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Re: apt (intentionally?) brain dead?

2005-10-12 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 00:13 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
 Hi All
 
 Once upon, IIRC, there were times when apt did very intelligently
 automatically what I have to do now myself: When I tried to install a
 package, apt-get/aptitude calculated the dependencies on other
 packages for the one I wanted to install and then installed the whole
 bunch of packages necessary for the installation of the one i needed.
 
 
 It seems times have changed: Either apt/aptitude is braindead and on the brink
 of becoming unusable, or, alternatively, the Debian folks
 intentionally changed the software in a way where apt-get does not do
 any more what it did some time ago. In the latter case the bug (again:
 It's not a bug: I call it brain dead) would be an intentionally
 designed feature.

I think it happens when the dependency triggers an upgrade of a
dependent package, and that upgrade would break another package (unless
you also update it). Note too sure though... 

Ben.



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Re: Resolution 800*600 on Powerbook 15' 1.67

2005-10-12 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 13:13 -0400, Jay States wrote:
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I've been using Unix/Linux for years, but just now starting to use
 Gnome/KDE.  I have both loaded on my Powerbook 1.67Ghz 15 inch, but the
 screen resolution only displays @ 800*600.  Any pointers? 

What is in your X config ? Normally, if you put nothing in there for the
monitor or screen resolution, the driver should automatically probe your
panel default resolution...

Ben.



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Re: How to get rid of sungem at boot time?

2005-10-12 Thread Johannes Berg
On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 09:57 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:

 The problem here is assuming any kind of stability of the ethX numbers.
 This can't work. Ever. You need some other ways of identifying your
 interfaces. I don't know if debian network configure scripts provide any
 such thing though.

ifrename helps.

johannes


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Re: apt (intentionally?) brain dead?

2005-10-12 Thread Philippe Marzouk
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 10:00:31AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
 On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 00:13 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
  Hi All
  
  Once upon, IIRC, there were times when apt did very intelligently
  automatically what I have to do now myself: When I tried to install a
  package, apt-get/aptitude calculated the dependencies on other
  packages for the one I wanted to install and then installed the whole
  bunch of packages necessary for the installation of the one i needed.
  
  
  It seems times have changed: Either apt/aptitude is braindead and on the 
  brink
  of becoming unusable, or, alternatively, the Debian folks
  intentionally changed the software in a way where apt-get does not do
  any more what it did some time ago. In the latter case the bug (again:
  It's not a bug: I call it brain dead) would be an intentionally
  designed feature.
 
 I think it happens when the dependency triggers an upgrade of a
 dependent package, and that upgrade would break another package (unless
 you also update it). Note too sure though... 
 

In this case it may be that a package is now in the archive but certain
dependencies are not yet uptodate for whatever reason. One trick is to
get them manually from incoming.debian.org.

The OP diddn't say but if he is following unstable, he cannot expect to
have everything working at all times and must learn patience.

Philippe


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