Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Christian Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you using for running Mac OS 9 (*) on a x86-64 machine? It seems there are only two ways: (a) running a ppc linux kernel with MOL under QEMU, run Mac OS inside MOL. (b) running SheepShaver (c) PearPC JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Hi Christian You may run pearpc and mol, SheepShaver or Basilisk II. You can get more info from http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060509180914879lsrc=osxh about the latter two. Easiest would be to get an old mac from someone... Best Regards, Adrian. Christian Jaeger wrote: Hello What are you using for running Mac OS 9 (*) on a x86-64 machine? It seems there are only two ways: (a) running a ppc linux kernel with MOL under QEMU, run Mac OS inside MOL. (b) running SheepShaver Any good/bad experiences with either of those or other ways? (I need to get at some old Filemaker databases [and Eudora folders], and while I can mount the hfs+ partition, there's no good way converting the old data without running my old installation, but my Powerbook G3 has pretty much died, so this will involve an emulator.) Christian. (*) strings /mnt/macdisk/Systemordner/System|egrep '[89]\.[0-9]\.' 9.0.1d1, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Christian Jaeger wrote: Jérôme Warnier wrote: Just my .2c: Both applications also exist for Windows, and probably run nicely under WINE. Yes, I've thought about this, too, but I'd have to get a copy of those apps only for the purpose of the conversion; also I was still using FileMaker 4. Also there might be further (even if less compelling) reasons to run the old Mac OS for me, too. So I'd prefer the emulation path. In this case, why bother using MOL? Just install Mac OS 9 directly under your qemu VM. Christian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Julien BLACHE wrote: (c) PearPC http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/faq.html says Can I run Mac OS 9.x.y? So far no one has succeeded in doing that. Have a look at the forums. and I didn't find something relevant in the forums when I looked. Christian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Jérôme Warnier wrote: Just my .2c: Both applications also exist for Windows, and probably run nicely under WINE. Yes, I've thought about this, too, but I'd have to get a copy of those apps only for the purpose of the conversion; also I was still using FileMaker 4. Also there might be further (even if less compelling) reasons to run the old Mac OS for me, too. So I'd prefer the emulation path. Christian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Christian Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (c) PearPC http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/faq.html says Can I run Mac OS 9.x.y? So far no one has succeeded in doing that. Have a look at the forums. and I didn't find something relevant in the forums when I looked. Hmm I'm pretty sure I saw a couple of OS 9 screenshots within PearPC, and it wasn't Classic mode. Oh well. JB. -- Julien BLACHE [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian, because code matters more Debian GNU/Linux Developer| http://www.debian.org Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Jérôme Warnier wrote: Christian Jaeger wrote: Jérôme Warnier wrote: Just my .2c: Both applications also exist for Windows, and probably run nicely under WINE. Yes, I've thought about this, too, but I'd have to get a copy of those apps only for the purpose of the conversion; also I was still using FileMaker 4. Also there might be further (even if less compelling) reasons to run the old Mac OS for me, too. So I'd prefer the emulation path. In this case, why bother using MOL? Just install Mac OS 9 directly under your qemu VM. Really? Doesn't qemu only emulate PC hardware (except for the cpu)? For linux that shouldn't matter as you could presumably compile the PC hardware drivers into a ppc kernel, but for MacOS that would be an issue, I thought. http://www.thefreecountry.com/emulators/macintosh.shtml When emulating a PC (x86), supported guest operating systems include MSDOS, FreeDOS, Windows 3.11, Windows 98SE, Windows 2000, Linux, SkyOS, ReactOS, NetBSD, Minix, etc. When emulating a PowerPC, currently tested guest OSes include Debian Linux. $ qemu -M \? Supported machines are: pc Standard PC (default) isapc ISA-only PC In any case, I actually tried like this: /usr/bin/qemu-system-ppc -boot d -snapshot -m 512 -hda '/home/chris/qemu/lombi-hda10.img' -net nic,vlan=0 -localtime Warning: vlan 0 is not connected to host network qemu: warning: could not load VGA bios '/usr/share/qemu/video.x' this eats 100% cpu now and nothing happens; where can I get the /usr/share/qemu/video.x from? Christian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Adrian Zaugg wrote: Hi Christian You may run pearpc and mol, You mean running a linux system inside pearpc and from there run MOL (the same way I suggested with qemu)? Would you recommend pearpc over qemu for that purpose? SheepShaver or Basilisk II. Basilisk II won't run Mac OS 9, from what I read. You can get more info from http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060509180914879lsrc=osxh about the latter two. Easiest would be to get an old mac from someone... My question was really aimed at people who have actually tried what I asked; I figured I'd ask which route would promise to be most successful before spending time myself; it seems there are three possibilities now: - run linux with MOL under pearpc, and Mac OS 9 under MOL - run linux with MOL under qemu, and Mac OS 9 under MOL - run SheepShaver Christian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Christian Jaeger wrote: J�r�me Warnier wrote: Just install Mac OS 9 directly under your qemu VM. Really? Doesn't qemu only emulate PC hardware (except for the cpu)? For linux that shouldn't matter as you could presumably compile the PC hardware drivers into a ppc kernel, but for MacOS that would be an issue, I thought. http://www.thefreecountry.com/emulators/macintosh.shtml When emulating a PC (x86), supported guest operating systems include MSDOS, FreeDOS, Windows 3.11, Windows 98SE, Windows 2000, Linux, SkyOS, ReactOS, NetBSD, Minix, etc. When emulating a PowerPC, currently tested guest OSes include Debian Linux. $ qemu -M \? Supported machines are: pc Standard PC (default) isapc ISA-only PC In any case, I actually tried like this: /usr/bin/qemu-system-ppc -boot d -snapshot -m 512 -hda '/home/chris/qemu/lombi-hda10.img' -net nic,vlan=0 -localtime Warning: vlan 0 is not connected to host network qemu: warning: could not load VGA bios '/usr/share/qemu/video.x' this eats 100% cpu now and nothing happens; where can I get the /usr/share/qemu/video.x from? I didn't try running MacOS, but my (Ubuntu's) qemu has: | $ qemu-system-ppc -M ? | Supported machines are: | g3bw Heathrow based PowerMAC (default) | mac99 Mac99 based PowerMAC | prep PowerPC PREP platform | ref405ep ref405ep | taihu taihu | $ qemu-system-ppc64 -M ? | Supported machines are: | g3bw Heathrow based PowerMAC (default) | mac99 Mac99 based PowerMAC | prep PowerPC PREP platform | ref405ep ref405ep | taihu taihu | $ With kind regards, Geert Uytterhoeven Software Architect Sony Techsoft Centre Europe The Corporate Village · Da Vincilaan 7-D1 · B-1935 Zaventem · Belgium Phone:+32 (0)2 700 8453 Fax: +32 (0)2 700 8622 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://www.sony-europe.com/ A division of Sony Europe (Belgium) N.V. VAT BE 0413.825.160 · RPR Brussels Fortis 293-0376800-10 GEBA-BE-BB
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 04:36:44PM +0200, Christian Jaeger wrote: Basilisk II won't run Mac OS 9, from what I read. As far as I know, Basilisk II is an m68k Mac emulator rather than ppc. It sounds like the application needed is ppc native. Brad Boyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: I didn't try running MacOS, but my (Ubuntu's) qemu has: | $ qemu-system-ppc -M ? | Supported machines are: | g3bw Heathrow based PowerMAC (default) | mac99 Mac99 based PowerMAC | prep PowerPC PREP platform | ref405ep ref405ep | taihu taihu Thanks, this was an important hint. I'm getting in fact the same iff I choose the right qemu binary. I was using qemu-launcher, which doesn't offer those options (d'oh, I get to try a gui tool *once* in a long time and it's of no use..). $ qemu-system-ppc -M \? Supported machines are: g3bw Heathrow based PowerMAC (default) mac99 Mac99 based PowerMAC prep PowerPC PREP platform ref405ep ref405ep taihu taihu Using -M prep shows some text, which said it couldn't read/understand the disk format, so I realized that it probably wants a partition table. So I've created a sparse file big enough (named lombipseudodisk) and run parted lombipseudodisk on it, (parted) mklabel mac (parted) print free Disk /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombipseudodisk: 2147MB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: mac Number Start End SizeFile system Name Flags 1 0.51kB 32.8kB 32.3kB Apple 32.8kB 2147MB 2147MB Free Space (parted) mkpart primary 32.8kB 2147MB (parted) cp lombi-hda10 1 2 Warning: Unable to open /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombi-hda10 read-write (Permission denied). /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombi-hda10 has been opened read-only. Warning: Unable to open /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombi-hda10 read-write (Permission denied). /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombi-hda10 has been opened read-only. Warning: Unable to open /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombi-hda10 read-write (Permission denied). /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombi-hda10 has been opened read-only. raw block copying... 6%(time left 00:49) (parted) quit $ qemu-system-ppc -M prep -boot c -snapshot -m 512 -hda /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombipseudodisk -localtime # now shows a graphical sceen with a broken Mac icon and prints to stdout/err: Mac OS X Loader Failed to infer Boot Device Type. Hm. Wondering what it is still missing, some of those strange partitions with unknown binary content (drivers?) on them which Mac disks usually carry? Sadly I can't get at my original disk since it is (or at least seems to be) broken (and on top of that I don't have an adapter for those laptop disks). Christian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 06:46:43PM +0200, Christian Jaeger wrote: $ qemu-system-ppc -M \? Supported machines are: g3bw Heathrow based PowerMAC (default) mac99 Mac99 based PowerMAC prep PowerPC PREP platform ref405ep ref405ep taihu taihu Using -M prep shows some text, which said it couldn't read/understand the disk format, so I realized that it probably wants a partition table. No Macintosh was ever prep compatible. You probably want to use one of the first two entries in the list instead. I would suggest g3bw, which is also apparently the default. You probably do need to create a partition table as you mentioned. Brad Boyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2 oldworld Power Macs available to a good home
I have a 7600/120 and 7600/132 that I was using as gateway/firewall machines for several years, but have now retired. They have a basic Debian-only install, booting via quik. If someone can use them to continue support for Debian on PowerPC, I'm happy to give them away (you pay shipping). IMO these are too slow to do any native development/building; I always cross-compiled their kernels on faster machines. But they might be OK for doing QA on installers, bootloaders, or other PowerMac-specific stuff. Please contact me off-list if you need more details. -- Eric Cooper e c c @ c m u . e d u -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Brad Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 06:46:43PM +0200, Christian Jaeger wrote: $ qemu-system-ppc -M \? Supported machines are: g3bw Heathrow based PowerMAC (default) mac99 Mac99 based PowerMAC prep PowerPC PREP platform ref405ep ref405ep taihu taihu Using -M prep shows some text, which said it couldn't read/understand the disk format, so I realized that it probably wants a partition table. No Macintosh was ever prep compatible. You probably want to use one of the first two entries in the list instead. I would suggest g3bw, which is also apparently the default. With g3bw the screen stays black and I get those messages: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/qemu$ qemu-system-ppc -M g3bw -boot c -snapshot -m 512 -hda /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombipseudodisk -localtime qemu: warning: could not load VGA bios '/usr/share/qemu/video.x' ^C With mac99 it goes further (shows graphical output for a moment, then back to a text screen, with messages Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x700 Program DSISR=0x4200 DAR=... generating stack backtrace prior to panic .. .. .. panic: We are hanging here...: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/qemu$ qemu-system-ppc -M mac99 -boot c -snapshot -m 512 -hda /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombipseudodisk -localtime qemu: warning: could not load VGA bios '/usr/share/qemu/video.x' Mac OS X Loader Opening partition [hd:2]... HFSInitPartition: 290013 Loading HFS+ file: [\\mach_kernel] from 290013. Loading HFS+ file: [\mach_kernel] from 290013. LoadDrivers: Loading from [hd:2,\System\Library\Extensions] Call Kernel! Trying to read invalid spr 1017 3f9 at 0026e564 Now I've fetched the missing video.x file and put it to /usr/share/qemu/video.x (md5sum 2b70f0425666df8da91715a3363aa007), but I'm still getting exactly the same problems as above, except that the could not load VGA bios warning isn't printed anymore. Christian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 07:31:41PM +0200, Christian Jaeger wrote: With mac99 it goes further (shows graphical output for a moment, then back to a text screen, with messages Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x700 Program DSISR=0x4200 DAR=... generating stack backtrace prior to panic .. .. .. panic: We are hanging here...: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/qemu$ qemu-system-ppc -M mac99 -boot c -snapshot -m 512 -hda /mnt/sda14/tmp/lombipseudodisk -localtime qemu: warning: could not load VGA bios '/usr/share/qemu/video.x' Mac OS X Loader Opening partition [hd:2]... HFSInitPartition: 290013 Loading HFS+ file: [\\mach_kernel] from 290013. Loading HFS+ file: [\mach_kernel] from 290013. LoadDrivers: Loading from [hd:2,\System\Library\Extensions] Call Kernel! Trying to read invalid spr 1017 3f9 at 0026e564 Weren't you trying to run OS9? This is definitely OSX, as the classic MacOS didn't use mach for its kernel. After more thinking about this, booting OS9 will most likely require the driver partitions to be available as you asked earlier in the thread. It might be worth trying to boot from a MacOS CD if you have one. Brad Boyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need Help with ATI Graphic Card bring up
Hi We have an embedded custom board PowerPC board (Freescale). I have booted Debian 3.1 (Sarge) on the system running on Linux kernel 2.6.23. I have an ATI graphic card Radeon 9250 PCI card. I would like to run flash application on the graphic card to do performance testing on the flash performance on the system. I am not able to get anything out of the Graphic card, my assumption is XFree86 has x86 emulation and will load appropriate driver module for the card. I would appreciate if you help out and provide me some hints how to do this. Many thanks in advance, Bizhan
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Brad Boyer wrote: Weren't you trying to run OS9? This is definitely OSX, as the classic MacOS didn't use mach for its kernel. Hm, strange, I wasn't aware that any OS X stuff was on that partition as well. And when booting that partition through MOL it definitely booted OS 9 (but iirc one could configure in the MOL config file which kind of OS to boot). But loop mounting the partition in fact showed me a number of unix-ish folders. I tried rm -rf private etc bin dev sbin tmp var usr, but qemu would still come up with the Mac OS X loader. (Creating a disk file with an empty hfsplus in it would not print the Mac OS X loader message but just say unable to load boot file on the screen, as expected.) After more thinking about this, booting OS9 will most likely require the driver partitions to be available as you asked earlier in the thread. It might be worth trying to boot from a MacOS CD if you have one. I don't think I've got any Mac OS CD anymore. So I guess I'm back at using MOL under a linux/ppc (since MOL didn't require these driver partitions, and didn't have any issue loading the Mac OS 9). Thanks, Christian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for running Mac OS 9.0.1 on debian-x86-64
Christian Jaeger wrote: So I guess I'm back at using MOL under a linux/ppc (since MOL didn't require these driver partitions, and didn't have any issue loading the Mac OS 9). Still out of luck: # create a file named lenny of 3.5G size (mksparse is a script of mine) $ mksparse 3.5G lenny # fetched debian-LennyBeta2-powerpc-netinst.iso c6d4914a4b71265c0178a23a097b0bcb907657eb debian-LennyBeta2-powerpc-netinst.iso $ file /mnt/media/bittorrents/qbittorrent/debian-LennyBeta2-powerpc-netinst.iso /mnt/media/bittorrents/qbittorrent/debian-LennyBeta2-powerpc-netinst.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Debian LennyBeta2 ppc Bin-1 Tried: (a) with qemu: $ qemu-system-ppc -M mac99 -boot d -cdrom /mnt/media/bittorrents/qbittorrent/debian-LennyBeta2-powerpc-netinst.iso -m 512 -hda lenny prints on the screen: ide0: drive 0: Hard Disk ERROR: OF_property_copy cannot get property 'hd' for aliases ide0: drive 1: CD-ROM ERROR: OF_property_copy cannot get property 'cd' for aliases ERROR: ATAPI TEST_UNIT_READY : status 48 != 0x08 ide1: drive 0: none ide1: drive 1: none ERROR: Found no boot partition! As before, -M g3bw will give a black screen (and -M prep won't work in other ways (no disk found iirc)). (b) with PearPC: $ mv lenny lenny.img #since pearpc insists on the suffix # filter_whitespace=script which only shows non empty non comment $ filter_whitespace ppc_lenny.conf ppc_start_resolution = 800x600x15 redraw_interval_msec = 40 key_toggle_mouse_grab = F12 key_toggle_full_screen = Alt+Return prom_bootmethod = auto prom_env_machargs = -v pci_ide0_master_installed = 1 pci_ide0_master_image = lenny.img pci_ide0_slave_installed = 1 pci_ide0_slave_image = /mnt/media/bittorrents/qbittorrent/debian-LennyBeta2-powerpc-netinst.iso pci_ide0_slave_type = cdrom pci_3c90x_installed = 0 pci_3c90x_mac = de:ad:ca:fe:12:34 pci_rtl8139_installed = 0 pci_rtl8139_mac = de:ad:ca:fe:12:35 pci_usb_installed = 1 nvram_file = nvram will show the Debian bootloader, I enter the default response and hit return which triggers full screen mode somehow, it starts doing something but will never proceed. Go to VT 0, kill -9 $pid_of_pearpc PS. this is pearpc from debian-x86-64, which means it's compiled in 64 bit mode and thus doesn't use the JIT, which is a bid of a joke since the man page states that it's 10 times slower this way than with the JIT (500 times slower than the host). Will continue another time when I have more time I guess. Christian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
