Re: Where is libxfconf-0?
I finally found time to try your suggestion (which means I finally found time to backup my data and not create anything new for a while) but now it wants another library not listed in lenny. I may have to go with sid, or perhaps Xubuntu still it's built on sid but is a little more stable. Usually if I need a few libraries I simply compile them from source and use checkinstall to install them. Of course, when you have to deal with a bunch of dependencies it is not worth it but for other libraries (e.g. webkit, soup, etc), compiling the latest from source works out fine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100330161836.ga3...@canoga.com
How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4?
How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4? Can I install programs right away or I have to compile them myself? Can I install Firefox with Flash support? etc.. Thanks, Aris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8a4401480fa57e11766d942a6e326a2f.squir...@webmail.andrew.cmu.edu
Re: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4?
Hi Aris, forget about compiling things. It's all there ready for you to use! Firefox, etc, but please read the following for a full picture of my impressions. (I sent the following message on this mailing list a week or two ago): I tried installing Debian Lenny onto my iBook G4 recently, just to see how it works. It was pretty easy to do. You'll have to connect to the internet with the Ethernet cable at first and then download the driver for Wifi (you'll find the info on the Ubuntu FAQ mentioned below). But then, it will work just fine. Sound didn't work at first, either. But look at the section title Enable sound with my Powerbook on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Enable sound with my Powerbook. This method did the trick for my iBook, too. I installed IBM Java, which actually worked very well. The only things that you can't get are Adobe Flash and Skype. So with YouTube videos you will either have to download them, or use some scripts to enable the mplayer or VLC to play them imbedded. This works quite well for the YouTube site. But, scripts only work for the sites for which they are written. I couldn't, for example, see any of the flash videos on the BBC site... And you can forget about using Gnash or swfdec. They're hopeless. Gnash seems to have the better prospects, but I couldn't figure out a way of getting the latest version for PPC, so the version that I was stuck with (the default version available) was not very good. In the case of Skype, you'll just have to use Ekiga, or something like that - an open-source one. Great, but unfortunately everyone I know is on Skype! Overall, I found the performance of Debian with the Gnome desktop on a G4 iBook a bit slow, nowhere near as snappy as the OSX Tiger installation. But, perhaps my 1.3 Mhz processor just isn't enough for Gnome... Maybe the other window managers/desktops would improve performance... I tinkered with XFCE a bit, but I didn't feel much difference, to be honest... You're definitely better off sticking with OSX for daily use - it's designed specifically for the G4 and so it works well within its limitations. (That's what I'm using right now). Still, it's impressive that Debian works on an iBook, but the support and enthusiasm for the platform just isn't there. Linux on PPC is a bit depressing if you're just an average user wanting to find out about Linux. All the time, you're left thinking just how much better it would be if you had a Intel computer, where the support and quality of Linux is so good! Linux on the PPC seems to be just for people wanting to use old PPC computers for servers etc... Best regards, Robert. On 30 Mar 2010, at 22:38, Aris Monazteriaz wrote: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4? Can I install programs right away or I have to compile them myself? Can I install Firefox with Flash support? etc.. Thanks, Aris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ 8a4401480fa57e11766d942a6e326a2f.squir...@webmail.andrew.cmu.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/80fd135d-ce83-457a-be10-0ae0d57c0...@fastmail.co.uk
Re: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4?
Robert Chamberlain wrote: Linux on the PPC seems to be just for people wanting to use old PPC computers for servers etc... Have you priced out *new* PPC hardware lately? It's still more expensive than most commodity x86-64 architecture gear. -Gary
Re: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4?
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Aris Monazteriaz iama...@gmx.com wrote: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4? Can I install programs right away or I have to compile them myself? Can I install Firefox with Flash support? etc.. You don't have to but if you get the compiler flags right for your cpu optimized it will run a lot faster. Especially these days more than ever as auto-altivec optimizing has been greatly improve with gcc4.5 Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b19c9ba71003301721m24c9ec86yb1de97c58bef2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4?
Thanks. Without Adobe Flash? That's a complete turn-off for me. It seems that it's better keep Tiger on my PowerBook. :-( On Tue, March 30, 2010 7:14 pm, Robert Chamberlain wrote: Hi Aris, forget about compiling things. It's all there ready for you to use! Firefox, etc, but please read the following for a full picture of my impressions. (I sent the following message on this mailing list a week or two ago): I tried installing Debian Lenny onto my iBook G4 recently, just to see how it works. It was pretty easy to do. You'll have to connect to the internet with the Ethernet cable at first and then download the driver for Wifi (you'll find the info on the Ubuntu FAQ mentioned below). But then, it will work just fine. Sound didn't work at first, either. But look at the section title Enable sound with my Powerbook on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Enable sound with my Powerbook. This method did the trick for my iBook, too. I installed IBM Java, which actually worked very well. The only things that you can't get are Adobe Flash and Skype. So with YouTube videos you will either have to download them, or use some scripts to enable the mplayer or VLC to play them imbedded. This works quite well for the YouTube site. But, scripts only work for the sites for which they are written. I couldn't, for example, see any of the flash videos on the BBC site... And you can forget about using Gnash or swfdec. They're hopeless. Gnash seems to have the better prospects, but I couldn't figure out a way of getting the latest version for PPC, so the version that I was stuck with (the default version available) was not very good. In the case of Skype, you'll just have to use Ekiga, or something like that - an open-source one. Great, but unfortunately everyone I know is on Skype! Overall, I found the performance of Debian with the Gnome desktop on a G4 iBook a bit slow, nowhere near as snappy as the OSX Tiger installation. But, perhaps my 1.3 Mhz processor just isn't enough for Gnome... Maybe the other window managers/desktops would improve performance... I tinkered with XFCE a bit, but I didn't feel much difference, to be honest... You're definitely better off sticking with OSX for daily use - it's designed specifically for the G4 and so it works well within its limitations. (That's what I'm using right now). Still, it's impressive that Debian works on an iBook, but the support and enthusiasm for the platform just isn't there. Linux on PPC is a bit depressing if you're just an average user wanting to find out about Linux. All the time, you're left thinking just how much better it would be if you had a Intel computer, where the support and quality of Linux is so good! Linux on the PPC seems to be just for people wanting to use old PPC computers for servers etc... Best regards, Robert. On 30 Mar 2010, at 22:38, Aris Monazteriaz wrote: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4? Can I install programs right away or I have to compile them myself? Can I install Firefox with Flash support? etc.. Thanks, Aris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ 8a4401480fa57e11766d942a6e326a2f.squir...@webmail.andrew.cmu.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/80fd135d-ce83-457a-be10-0ae0d57c0...@fastmail.co. uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/05cd6973e992bdbacdac8f370f09e931.squir...@webmail.andrew.cmu.edu
