Re: xterms: Non Root User's Cant Open a Psuedo Teletype

[Matt Brubeck]

On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, arthur99 wrote:

> I installed Debian yesterday, all went pretty well, except for this
> little problem. When I try to start an xterm, kvt or konsole as non-root
> I get an error saying can't open a psuedo teletype. All other programs
> work fine.
> 
> demilk:~# su AArthur -c "konsole"
> Can't open a psuedo teletype
> demilk:~#

This happened on two Debian/PPC systems I installed. It was fixed in
both cases with:

cd /dev
./MAKEDEV std
./MAKEDEV generic

Does anyone know what's causing this? Does the /dev directory on the base
image have problems?

Matt Brubeck

Re: debian PPC on 8100 ?

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, David Poisson wrote:

> I have a 8100 I want to use as an ip masq server [...] The only thing
> that I'm not sure about is if debian ppc will even boot on a 8100...

No. The 8100 is a first-generation PowerMac; it has a 601 processor and
uses NuBus instead of PCI. The standard Linux kernel won't run on that
hardware. MkLinux will, but there is no Debian distribution for MkLinux.

Re: Powerbook G3 (Tokyo)

[Matt Brubeck]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Matt Knopp wrote:

> I recently got one of the new powerbook G3's "Tokyo" (Basically a lombard, 
> but with firewire in place of scsi).   Basically the problem I am having 
> is that the kernel (a) loses the interrupt for hda, after a while the ram
> disk will load and then (b) the keyboard seems to not work.  

This is not actually much like a Lombard internally; it is the first UMA
Powerbook and therefore shares more with the iBook, as well as the iMac
350/DV and the latest G4s. Note that it is also often referred to by its
codename Pismo, or just "Powerbook 2000."

> The laptop is explicitly unsupported by both YDL and LinuxPPC at this point, 
> I was curious if anyone has had any luck getting it to work themselves. 

Henry Worth has been working on patching the kernel to support the
Pismo; the results can be found in Ben H.'s tree:

rsync --delete -avz linuxcare.com.au::linux-pmac-benh DESTINATION-DIR

It sounds like the code is in usable or near-usable state if you're
interested in testing. See the linuxppc-dev and -user archives from the
past few days for details. 

If you don't have a machine on which to compile kernels, Ben says that
he'll be posting binaries once he feels the code is clean enough, as well
as merging it into the BitKeeper trees.

Good luck.

Re: iMac Graphite

[Matt Brubeck]

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Todd Shrider wrote:

> I just got rid of my iMac rev. A for a Special Edition. Is this the
> same as a DV?

Yes. For most purposes the iMac 350, DV, and DV Special Edition are
interchangeable. The only differences are clock speed, disk size, and the
presence of DVD and 1394 (Firewire) hardware.


As another poster mentioned, you'll need to use yaboot and a kernel from
benh's development tree. You can get both at:

http://ppclinux.apple.com/~benh/


I simply put yaboot, yaboot.conf and my kernels onto an HFS partition. I
then boot into open firmware and tell it to load yaboot. This isn't quite
as flexible or friendly as using ybin, but it serves my needs.

To boot into OF, hold down cmd-opt-O-F at startup. In OF, the following
commands are useful:

boot (boot from the default device or file)
boot hd:8,yaboot (load yaboot from partition 8 on the internal HD)

printenv  (list all environment variables and defaults)
setenv   (change an environment variable)
set-defaults  (restore standard settings)

setenv auto-boot? false (enter open firmware before booting)
setenv auto-boot? true  (only enter OF if cmd-opt-of is held down)

setenv boot-device hd:8,yaboot (by default, load yaboot from partition 8)

Re: x windows

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Clay Ginsburg wrote:

> x-windows isn't currently working on my computer [ ... ].
> Anyway, the first thing i did was creat a sym link to /dev/usbmouse. 
> I then changed the pointer to USB.  i ran startx and said it wasn't 
> support by OS.

Under XFree86 on Linux, the type should be set to IMPS/2.

> For the rest of my problem, you need more info(somehting about signal 
> 11 captured)  anyway, is there a way to easily dump the error 
> messages that startx makes into another file? startx > log.txt 
> doens't work.

If you're running XFree86, /var/log/XFree86.0.log should be useful. If you
use xdm, also check /var/log/xdm.log .

Re: Xpmac.rev10

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 5 May 2000, Todd M. Shrider wrote:

> When I boot with novideo in my yaboot.conf then x can't find the right
> video mode in xf86config. Is this because of the option, or is it more
> likely that my XF86Config is crippled?

While using the offb driver, no mode-switching is available, so the mode
in your XF86Config must exactly match the mode that the framebuffer is
already using. Type "fbset -x" to output your current framebuffer settings
in the format used by XFree86 3.x. Some translation may be required for
XFree 4.0.

Of course, XFree won't be accelerated at all using offb, so it's not a
good long-term solution.

Re: I messed up my mouse...(G3 PB)

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Josh wrote:

> > Are you sure gpm isn't running? (check with ps aux|grep gpm)
> 
> It doesn't seem to be.  I even purged gpm with dpkg.  I don't know if I 
> changed
> anything else while nessing around with gpm.  My XFree86Config file has device
> set to /dev/mouse and protocol BusMouse, which is what was working before.

Take a look at /dev/mouse. This is usually a symlink to another device
(for PowerMac owners, /dev/adbmouse or /dev/usbmouse). The gpm install may
have changed it to point to the gpm repeater /dev/gpmdata.

Re: trackpad-g3 powerbook

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Josh wrote:

> Is there a way to make the trackpad not respond to a tap as a click?

There's a tiny little utility here that lets you set the trackpad to
"notap" mode (as well as "tap", "drag" and "lock" modes):

http://xenu.phys.uit.no/~alvin/linux/trackpad_tool.tar.gz

Someone should package this and some of the other powerpc-specific
utilities (e.g. pmud) and get them into woody. I'd do it, but I'd not a
Debian developer.

Re: [Fwd: trackpad-g3 powerbook]

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 20 May 2000, Josh wrote:

>> There's a tiny little utility here that lets you set the trackpad to
>> "notap" mode (as well as "tap", "drag" and "lock" modes):
> 
> I tried to do this, but I really don't know what I'm doing as far as
> compiling stuff.  I used gcc, and now I have a file called a.out or
> something.

That file is your program. You can run it by typing ./a.out from inside
its directory. I suggest renaming it to "trackpad" and moving it somewhere
convenient like /usr/local/sbin so that you just have to type
"trackpad" to run it.

a.out is the default name for a compiled executable, for historical
reasons.

> Also I don't have an /etc/rc.d/rc.local.  I have some directories
> called /etc/rc0.d, rc1.d, rc2.g etc.  They have all kind of files in
> them, but I couldn't find rc.local.

This is because Debian stores the runlevel scripts in a style different
from the one used by several other Linux distributions. On Debian, I
believe you should look in /etc/rcS.d.

(This is one of those old differences between SysV Unix and BSD Unix that
has survived in modern Unix-like OSs to the present day.)

Re: dvorak keymap

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 27 May 2000, pohl wrote:

> debian is now happily living on my G4 (though I had to
> break down and buy a zip drive to accomplish the install)
> but I need a dvorak keymap for the beast.  Anybody
> got a pointer to one?

I copied a dvorak keymap from a LinuxPPC box. Unfortunately both of my
Linux machines are packed up in boxes right now so I can't just mail it to
you. Perhaps you can find it on the LinuxPPC servers, or someone else with
a LinuxPPC install can give it to you.

LinuxPPC has a more extensive collection of mac keymaps than Debian does
at the moment. Perhaps we should copy them...

Re: sound on G3 Powerbook

[Matt Brubeck]

On Tue, 30 May 2000, Joshua Holland wrote:

> I have no sound on my powerbook.  I am running Gnome with 
> Enlightenment.  I have set sound in the Gnome control panel.  When I 
> enable audio in the Enlightenment settings, I get a message saying there 
> was an error communicating with the Audio server.

Gnome and Enlightenment audio require esd, (the Enlightened Sound
Daemon). Make sure that you have the esd package installed and that esd is
running.

If sound in general doesn't work (try xmms, for example), then

* If you built your kernel yourself, make sure that PowerMac DMA
  audio was enabled. If dmasound was built as a module, make sure the
  module is loaded. (If you're using a stock kernel you probably
  don't have to worry about this.)

* Check that the volume is not set to zero. Use the "aumix" utility.
  Note that the different outputs (speaker, line out, headphone...)
  may not be labelled correctly for Mac hardware.

* If any of these programs complain about not being able to find the
  audio devices in /dev, make sure that the devices such as /dev/audio are
  present (if not, go to /dev as root and type "./MAKEDEV audio"). See 
  that you have permission to read and write to the devices -- the best
  way to do this is probably to add yourself to group audio.

Re: delete key in eterm

[Matt Brubeck]

> Does anyone know how to change delete from ctrl-h to the Delete key in 
> Eterm.  I checked the faq at eterm.org, but I can't figure out how to 
> change it. Xterm and Gnome Terminal both already delete with the Delete key.

Add a line like:

eterm.keysym.BackSpace: ^H

to your .Xresources file. Check the eterm documentation for the exact
names of the resources (the above resource is used by rxvt, and may be the
same for eterm).

Re: sound works for root only...

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Cyril Niklaus wrote:

> I've been recompiling my kernel like crazy these last few days (btw
> thanks again for the help Andre) to get my sound working.
> Nothing was doing it, it beeped ok, but xmms was complaining about the
> fact that it cannot open audio, the sound card not being configured or
> something else.
> But in fact I have the right sound modules compiled fine, and I just
> noticed by pure luck that the sound *is* working, but when I'm root...
> Do you people have any ideas where the permissions are wrong? (since
> it's obviously something along those lines)

Check the permissions on /dev/dsp, /dev/audio, etc. They should have rw
permissions for the group "audio"; the easiest solution is to add yourself
to this group.

If you want to change the permission or ownership, don't do it by hand.
Instead, edit the audio permission line in /dev/MAKEDEV and then cd /dev;
./MAKEDEV audio (maybe it's called "sound" instead of audio; I can't
remember). This will change all of the appropriate devices at once and
make sure they stay that way.

Re: Xpmac

[Matt Brubeck]

Since the Xpmac "distribution" is just a single binary file, a .deb
package (while it would be nice) is hardly necessary. Just download the
executable (or compile it yourself) and stuff it in /usr/local/bin. Easy
as cake.

Re: getting sound to work on imac

[Matt Brubeck]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Kevin Liang wrote:

>I did not select sound card support when installing Debian for my
> imac.  Does this mean I'm SOL for sound ?  I was thinking that sound was
> handled a bit differently for Macs than PC's (built-into motherboard?).  
> Also, I don't have  /dev/dsp..  thanks

To create the necessary audio devices, do:

/dev/MAKEDEV audio

(or maybe it's "sound" instead of "audio." I forget.) By default they are
writeable by group audio; you'll probably want to add yourself to this
group.

If you have dmasound compiled into your kernel, you're done. If you have
the dmasound module instead (in /lib/modules/2.x.x/misc), you can insert
it with "modprobe dmasound". Make this happen automatically by adding this
line to /etc/modutils/aliases:

alias char-major-14 dmasound

If you don't have the kernel driver or module, you'll need to compile a
new kernel or module yourself, or grab a kernel image that includes it.
The kernel packages for Debian should have it, and the binaries at Paul's
page definitely do:

http://linuxcare.com.au/paulus/kernels.html

This was mostly from memory (my Debian PPC box is in another state and
without power right now), so take filenames and commands with a grain of
salt. ;-)

Re: compiling kernel

[Matt Brubeck]

On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Josh wrote:

> OK, I've followed all directions I've collected and I am at the point of
> doing 'make mrproper' and now I'm getting a 'make; command not found'
> message (as root).  What am I missing?

Make.

Do you have the "make" package installed? Is the binary in root's PATH?

Re: iMac DvD : Xfree Mach64 or fb ?

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Xavier Grave wrote:

> I wonder what's the best to do for my X11 configuration :
> use the fb or the Xfree 4.0 tree ?
> As I understand the fb for the moment is a more stable choice but the
> Xfree solution is a best choice on the long term...

First, the iMac uses an ATI Rage 128 graphics card, so you will be using
aty128fb, and not the Mach64 atyfb.

No matter what X server you use, be sure to get an up-to-date kernel (Paul
and Ben's precompiled kernels are recommended, or source from Paul's rsync
tree). The kernel framebuffer driver for the r128 has seen significant
fixes over the past couple of months to support the latest Macs (including
the iMac DV).

XFree 4 is definitely the fastest and currently the most-maintained X
server for the r128. I have been using it on my iMac DV for several months
with no problems. The downside is that there is no Debian package yet, so
you will have to install it manually if you don't want to wait. There are
tarballs available that make this quite easy, but beware of angering the
dpkg system. Don't let dselect/apt try to "update" X for you and wipe out
your manual install.

XFree 3 is packaged for Debian, which is nice. I haven't used it myself
for quite a while, so I'm not sure if there are any significant issues
with rage128 support (does it even exist in 3.x?).

There's also Xpmac, which is a bit of a hack and has some quirks, but is
incredibly simple to install and configure. There's no Debian package, but
the server is just a single binary that you can toss into /usr/local/bin
without making dpkg get mad. The versions with r128 and USB support run
just fine on an iMac DV with an up-to-date kernel, accelerated but not
quite as fast as the latest XFree 4 drivers.

Glancing at the list archives for the past couple months should point you
towards downloads of XF4 and Xpmac with the latest r128 and ppc-specific
patches applied.

Re: compiling kernel

[Matt Brubeck]

> > Yes.  Put something else (like the name of your dog, your cat,
> > your fish, or your second-grade teacher there instead).
> 
> even if I didn't name vmlinux and System.map with an extra name?

You shouldn't be setting EXTRAVERSION at all unless you are modifying the
kernel source and distributing your modifications to other people.

(For example, Alan Cox releases patches with EXTRAVERSION strings like
"ac1" so that the kernel version becomes 2.2.17-ac1. This lets people keep
track of which version of his patches they are using.)

By default, EXTRAVERSION is empty and should remain so.

Re: Paul's 2.2.15 does not boot a 7200

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:

> BTW, is there no `decompressing kernel image' output on PowerMac? It's
> possible that it's not visible on PowerMacs with inferior OF and only
> serial OF support. And how large is your boot image? Is it smaller
> than `vmlinux'?

PowerMac users typically use vmlinux as the boot image. Ethan is correct
that PowerPC Macs and clones generally use uncompressed kernels.

Re: QUIK on the 7200

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Ethan Benson wrote:

> not at all, my point is that oldworld powermacs are worthless for
> anything more important then occasional tinkering to blow time.  

My old 603e mac clone is not only used for development and regular desktop
applications; it also runs my web server, and has two text terminals
attached to support up to three local logins at once. Since its last
hardware upgrade six months ago, its only downtime was during a power
outage. It has never crashed running Linux. "Worthless?" No.

Ethan, we appreciate the work you've done to help newworld PowerMac users
boot their machines. Please remember though that Linux developers are a
diverse group. Not everyone uses Linux for the same reasons you do, or has
the same expectations of how it should work.

There's a wide world of PowerPC hardware beyond Apple's PowerMacs. If you
want to ignore it, that's fine. But please don't insult those who want a
useful operating system on the hardware that they own now. And be careful
about your assumptions --- much of that hardware is quite different from
the Apple machines you are used to, and its users' needs are different as
well.

Re: Help please

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Drew Coon wrote:

> I have a lombard G3 laptop that when I try to begin the linux
> installation I get the error message
> Kernel panic: No init found Try passing init= option to kernel
> 
> I'm using BootX 1.2.2 and the current installation files on the
> ftp.debian.org server, and have already repartitioned my HDD in
> anticipation of installing Debian
> Anyone know how to fix this?

For installation, I assume you are booting from a disk image. First, make
sure you named the floppy image "ramdisk.image.gz" and placed it in the
top level of your MacOS System Folder. Then be sure that the "use
ramdisk" option is selected in BootX.

If you have already done this, or if you are not booting from an initial
ramdisk image, write back with more details of your install setup (from
CD? network?).

Re: Bug#66540: kaffe on PowerPC: success

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ean R . Schuessler wrote:

> On this note I guess that the most sensible thing to do is go ahead and 
> put the CVS .debs I have in incoming.
> 
> I'm thinking that I'll name them 1.0.5.[cvs date DDMMYY]. Versioning should 
> work ok that way and I could even do daily CVS posts.

Minor correction: That should be MMDD for versioning to be truly
robust. None of this little-endian nonsense. :)

Re: Question

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Can you run Debian on an iMac?

Yes.

Linux boots on all models of iMac. (As far as I know the newly-colored
models announced last week are essentially identical to the previous
lineup, and hopefully will boot with no changes to the kernel.) Debian
"potato" (currently frozen and nearing release) runs fine on any of them.

Re: X Free

[Matt Brubeck]

I believe the auto-config programs found in LinuxPPC are not packaged for
Debian. They make some RedHat assumptions about file locations, so they
won't run out of the box on a Debian system, and no one I know of has
ported them.

So, it's you, your text editor, and /etc/X11/XF86Config .

If you're using a framebugger, "fbset -x" (I think?) will print out your
current mode settings in a format you can just paste into the XF86Config.

Re: X Free

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Cameron wrote:

> I have to use the same settings as my frame buffer? How can I get around
> this, I wanna run something like 1024 x 768 or perhaps 1280 x 1024.

No. The fbset trick is just a quick way to get a working config in case
you don't know the timings yourself or don't know the proper format for
the XF86Config file. The numbers you get from fbset are guaranteed to
work, since they're already in use by the framebuffer.

You can put any modes you want into the config file. It's exactly the same
as XFree 3.x on any other platform.

Re: powerpc build daemon vs apt-get -b source

[Matt Brubeck]

To automatically see the package tree differences by architecture, go to:

http://buildd.debian.org/quinn-diff/

Note that there is no autobuilder running for woody/ppc. The powerpc build
daemon will switch to woody once potato is done.

Re: Mouse and key board [Correction]

[Matt Brubeck]

> > > gpm can remap keys. 
> > 
> > and meant of course mouse buttons.
> 
> Which of course is irrelevant anyway unless you have X set up to use
> /dev/gpmdata as input device.

If you aren't using a gpm repeater, xmodmap can remap mouse buttons as
well as keys.

Re: x4, x4.0.1 ?

[Matt Brubeck]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, brendan strejcek wrote:

> has anyone had any experience installing x4 on a powerpc?
> know of aplace to get non-package (tar.gz) binaries?

XFree 4 runs great on my iMac (running woody). I used precompiled binaries
from Michael Da:nzer:

  http://n.ethz.ch/student/daenzerm/download/XFree86/

Just unpack the server (-srv) tarball in your root directory (after
creating a backup of your XF86Config). It will coexist just fine with the
3.3.6 packages in woody -- no need to uninstall anything or to install the
4.0 libraries.

These binaries don't have the very latest patches applied, but they will
work fine with most hardware.

> (any, just curious, how is it that powerpcs can use xfree86 at all?)

XFree86 has been cross-platform for some time now.

Re: yaboot dual boot problems

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, pohl wrote:

> There was a routing problem between us and them.org (and I was
> impatient to try your suggestion) so I grabbed the tarball for
> ybin 0.21 off of alaska.net.  Since I wasn't using the deb, I
> didn't have to worry about the .sh extension on the ofboot.b file.
> 
> When installed with mkofboot or ybin, everything appears to go
> fine, with the exception of a warning about nvsetenv being an
> incompatible version.
> 
> Upon reboot, all I get is the flashing question-mark-on-a-folder
> after a pause.  I tried explicitly going into OF and setting
> setenv boot-device hd:5,\\:tbxi

You need to tell OF to boot ofboot.b (try using the file name rather than
the tbxi file type).

If you get an updated nvsetenv, ybin will do this for you. The new version
is in powerpc-utils 1.1.3. The deb is in woody now, as well as them.org.

XF86 4 phase2 debs for PowerPC not APT-able

[Matt Brubeck]

The size listed for xserver-xfree86_4.0.1-0phase2v5_powerpc.deb in
powerpc/Packages.gz is 6746112, while the actual file is 8577356 bytes.

This prevents APT from installing the package. The package installs
without problems when downloaded manually.

Re: 2.4 kernel

[Matt Brubeck]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Cameron Berkenpas wrote:

> Wow. Thanks. So the file format is basically like that of lilo or at least
> close to it?
> 
> To set MacOS up with lilo, it would something like this?
> 
> other = /dev/hda1   
>   table = /dev/hda
>   label = MacOS

The exact line in your yaboot.conf should be:

macos=/dev/hda1

or

macosx=/dev/hda1

This may require a newer version of ybin than the one in potato. The
packages in woody or potato-proposed-updates will definitely work.

Read the yaboot.conf(5) and ybin(8) man pages for more information.

Re: Breakthroughs! But need help with logon dialog box...

[Matt Brubeck]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chris Ivanovich wrote:

> But I have a small annoyance.  When the initial dialog box appears
> where you type in your user name and password, it isn't shown
> completely on the screen.  The only thing that shows are the labels
> where you're supposed to type (but no text entry boxes) along with the
> cursor in the initial position for the user name field.

This sounds like totally normal behavior for xdm, the standard login
manager for X11 workstations. If you want to customize your xdm, its
files live in /etc/X11/xdm/.

If you want a display manager with a more "modern" interface, try gdm from
GNOME or kdm from KDE (package kdebase, I believe).

> To top it off, it doesn't respond to the mouse click to move from one
> entry field to another, nor does the  key work to switch from
> field to field.  I end up moving from the user name field to the
> password field by hitting shift-option-F1 and the cursor moves to the
> appropriate spot.

Did you try hitting "return" after the username?

Especially in the Unix world, it is traditional to require a carriage
return between the login name and password. Tab won't work at a text
prompt, and users who get used to hitting tab will almost always mess up
logins to a text session.

Re: netscape 4.72-29

[Matt Brubeck]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:

>> -> netscape
>> /usr/lib/netscape/47/communicator//communicator-smotif.real: error in
>> /loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.1.so.2: 
>> /undefined symbol: .gnu.linkonce.t.__11logic_errorRC11logic_error
>
> What system are you running?  potato?  woody?
> 
> What version of libstdc++ is installed on your system?

I started getting this error when I upgraded to the new libstdc++ in
woody, a couple days ago.

Re: mixer support on dmasound

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, C.M. Connelly wrote:

> On my Powercenter 132 with gnome-applets 1.2.1-1, the mixer applet
> controls only work for the line-out jack and have no effect on the
> internal speaker.  To control the internal speaker volume, I have to
> start gmix and adjust the ``Spkr'' slider -- the ``Vol'' slider also
> only affects the line-out jack.
> 
> [...] See also Bug #71681, ``gnome-applets: mixer_applet should work
> on PowerMac/PowerPC'', a wishlist bug I filed against gnome-applets
> that is marked as being forwarded upstream.  You might want to reopen
> your bug and assign it to gnome-applets, or send your patch to the bug
> I filed.

If it's possible, I'd rather see a patch to the dmasound drivers so that
not only mixer_applet but all programs (aumix, for example) can control
the mixer "out of the box." It seems like a kludge if every program that
uses the mixer must be modified to support dmasound.

Re: Kernel Image

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Eric Reischer wrote:

> /usr/src/binutils/target $ ../configure --prefix=/usr/src/cross 
> --target=ppc-unknown-linux-gnu
> 
> Does it matter that when I type in the above command it says "Configuring 
> for a i586-pc-linux-gnu host?"  (And it makes the ppc-unknown-linux-gnu 
> folder in the /usr/src/binutils/target folder (which is where I ran the 
> ../configure from)  My ultimate aim, obviously from the above, is to make a 
> ppc cross-compiler on an intel machine.

In cross-compiler jargon, the "host" is the architecture on which the
tools will run. The "target" is the architecture for which they will
create binaries.

So the message you get is correct -- your host is the Intel machine.

XFree 4.0.1-8 won't run on r128/ppc

[Matt Brubeck]

I have a slot-loading iMac with Rage 128 video. All of the phase2 test
packages of XFree86 4 ran fine on this machine.

After upgrading xserver-xfree86 from phase2v27 to 4.0.1-8, the X server
dies on startup with the following error (full log attached):

(**) R128(0): Using framebuffer device
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libfbdevhw.a
(II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.0.1f, module version = 0.0.2
(--) R128(0): Chipset: "ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x524c)
(--) R128(0): Linear framebuffer at 0x9400
(--) R128(0): MMIO registers at 0x9000
(--) R128(0): BIOS at 0x9002
(--) R128(0): VideoRAM: 8192 kByte (64-bit SDR SGRAM 2:1)
(WW) R128(0): Video BIOS not detected in PCI space!
(WW) R128(0): Attempting to read Video BIOS from legacy ISA space!
(WW) R128(0): Video BIOS not found!
(II) R128(0): PLL parameters: rf=64483 rd=32888 min=2084831233
max=-1146748152; xclk=19296
(II) R128(0): initializing int10
(EE) R128(0): Cannot read V_BIOS (4)
(II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libfbdevhw.a
(II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.

I've tried generating a new config file with dexter, turning UseFBDev on
and off, and changing the driver from "r128" to "ati". The error is
unchanged.

The server will run if I use the fbdev driver, but without acceleration.

I've attached my XFree86.0.log and XF86Config-4.

This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any
way.  Bugs may be reported to XFree86@XFree86.Org and patches submitted
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions,
please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository
(http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs)

XFree86 Version 4.0.1f / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400)
Release Date: 16 November 2000
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: Linux 2.2.17 ppc [ELF] 
Module Loader present
(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Tue Nov 28 11:43:39 2000
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (??) unknown.
(==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
(**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Generic Monitor"
(**) |   |-->Device "Generic Graphics Device"
(**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard"
(**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
(**) Option "XkbModel" "macintosh"
(**) XKB: model: "macintosh"
(**) Option "XkbLayout" "us"
(**) XKB: layout: "us"
(**) |-->Input Device "Generic Mouse"
(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(**) FontPath set to 
"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
(==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
(--) using VT number 5

(II) Module ABI versions:
XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1
XFree86 Video Driver: 0.3
XFree86 XInput driver : 0.1
XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1
XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.2
(II) Loader running on linux
(II) LoadModule: "bitmap"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a
(II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.0.1f, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer
ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.2
(II) Loading font Bitmap
(II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
(II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.0.1f, module version = 0.1.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3
(II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
(II) PCI: 00:0b:0: chip 106b,0020 card , rev 00 class 06,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:10:0: chip 1002,524c card 1002,524c rev 00 class 03,80,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:17:0: chip 106b,0022 card , rev 02 class ff,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:18:0: chip 106b,0019 card , rev 00 class 0c,03,10 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:19:0: chip 106b,0019 card , rev 00 class 0c,03,10 hdr 00
(II) PCI: End of PCI scan
(II) LoadModule: "scanpci"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a
(II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.0.1f, module version = 0.1.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3
(II) UnloadModule: "scanpci"
(II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a
(II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:0:0), (-1,-1,0), BCTRL: 0x00 (VGA_EN is cleared)
(II) Bus -1 I/O range:
[0] -1  0x 

Re: powersaving on NW iMac?

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Ethan Benson wrote:

> the monitor should already go into powersaving on its own when in the
> console (does anynone know how to control that?), for X you need to
> either use xset to enable dpms or enable it in /etc/X11/XF86Config

Unfortunately, the monitors in slot-loading iMacs will not do standard
VESA blanking / DPMS.  Even in MacOS, they only turn black (not off) when
monitor sleep is enabled.

In MacOS, the monitor does turn off when the computer is put to sleep.
There's no way to do this in Linux currently (the PowerBook pmu code
doesn't support sleep on iMacs).

Re: 2r2 kernel and airport

[Matt Brubeck]

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Olaf wrote:

> I just went through the changelogs for 2r2 and noticed, that there is
> a new kernel mentioned. From what I know - which isn't much of course
> - the usual apt-get upgrade doesn't affect the kernel, so what do I
> have to do to to upgrade my kernel. Or better: Do I need to upgrade if
> I'm quite happy with what I've got? (That is: Pismo, Airport,
> 2.2.17pre?-ben1)

If you have a kernel that works, you can stick with it. Upgrading to 2.2r2
won't cause any problems with your current setup. Even you you download
the new kernel-image packages, you can easily switch between those and
your old kernel by keeping more than one entry in yaboot.conf.

Re: USB mouse in X

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tim Hodgson wrote:

> I've just installed potato on a Mac 9500, and it's all (more or less) 
> OK except for the mouse. This is a Logitech USB mouse attached to an 
> Entrega PCI card. The combination worked fine under LinuxPPC and YDL, 
> btw. The puzzling part is that _occasionally_ the mouse will move for 
> a few seconds, then nothing. No response to clicks. I'd assume it was 
> a hardware problem except that it's fine under MacOS and was fine, as 
> i said, with other distros. I've tried all kinds of settings in 
> XF86Config; it's currently set to IMPS/2 protocol, with /dev/mouse 
> symlinked to /dev/usbmouse.

If you have gpm running, it may be interfering with the X server. Try
stopping gpm and then running X.

If this is the problem, you can solve it by telling gpm to repeat with
type "raw" (in /etc/gpm.conf) and making /dev/mouse a link to
/dev/gpmdata.

Alternately, you can run a recent kernel with the new input layer. Then
your mouse device will be /dev/input/mice, and it will work with both gpm
and X at the same time.

Re: USB mouse in X

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tim Hodgson wrote:

> I changed the relevant line in /etc/gpm.conf to read 'repeat_type=raw'
> - correct? and made the change to /dev/mouse.  However, after
> rebooting, the mouse was frozen again, and even killing gpm made no
> difference.

This is unusual. If you want to get gpm running properly, try fiddling
around with "gpmconfig" on the console. Make sure that XF86Config is using
/dev/gpmdata or a symlink to it as the mouse device.

Alternately, you could just get rid of gpm. You won't be able to use the
mouse while in textmode, but if you always run X then you probably won't
mind. You can do this by changing the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d so that gpm
doesn't run on boot.

If you don't want to muck with those, you can just remove the package:

apt-get remove gpm

Re: /dev/mouse on iMac

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Torsten Anders wrote:

> what is the device file where I may find the mouse on an iMac (DV). 

Probably /dev/usbmouse. If you are using a recent kernel with the new
input layer enabled, then it will be at /dev/input/mice instead.

> And BTW: is there any ppc port for X config tools like XF86Setup or 
> xf86config?

There is a tool for PowerPC called Xautoconfig, but I believe it still
does not work on Debian (mostly because of differences in filesystem
layout).

If you upgrade to XFree 4, the configuration tools in woody will produce
an almost-working config file -- I just had to add the BusID for for my
graphics card.

Re: XFree86 Success!

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Phil Fraering wrote:

> Now all I have are minor problems, such as the lack of a couple of
> mouse buttons, the fact that I can't run this as a user despite the
> fact that the Xserver file has "Console" available, and getting
> a good set of applications. It's probably in the archives somewhere.

/etc/X11/Xserver has been obsoleted by /etc/X11/xwrapper.conf (or
something, I'm not at a Debian box right now). This wasn't very well
documented and has caused many people confusion.

Re: iBook framebuffer

[Matt Brubeck]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Josh Bonczkowski wrote:

> I want to turn on support for the iBook DV framebuffer (aty128fb). I
> have turned on the ATI Mach64 and ATI Rage 128 FB support, but the
> r128 modules fails to load due to dependency problems.  These errors
> are both unresolved symbol errors for 'cmpxchg' and 'agp_enable'.

You should compile the Rage 128 driver into the kernel (i.e. not a
module). The Mach64 driver isn't necessary for the iBook.

The aty128fb driver will be used automatically at boot, as long as you
don't use the "novideo" or "video=ofonly" options in your bootloader.

Re: no virtual desktop in x4 r128 server?

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Phil Fraering wrote:

> Well, according to the documentation for the XFree 4.0 server, the
> handling of things like virtual desktops is up to the individual 
> driver, and since I didn't run into any mention of virtual desktops
> in the r128 docs, I guess that means it doesn't have that feature?

I'm not quite sure where you got that idea, but you needn't worry. The
r128 driver has no issues with virtual desktops as far as I know.

If you are having a specific problem, please let us know in more detail.

Re: XF86Config-4 on Wallstreet

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Nick Henderson wrote:

> Everything works up until I want to start up X 4.0.2.  When I "startx"
> or when xdm starts, the computer crashes and I have to do a hard
> reboot.  The screen turns black, but I think that the backlight stays
> on.

How crashed is the machine? If you have another machine on a network, try
logging in remotely to kill the X server.

Also, look for for the XFree86 log in /var/log. Hopefully it will have
some useful information about the crash.

Re: Oops

[Matt Brubeck]

On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Chris Bryan wrote:

> Sorry, I sent the message before I was finished ;) I've successfully booted
> into Gnome, but the only 2 window managers it sees are twm and wmaker,
> neither of which are satisfactory for using w/ gnome in my opinion.

Do you have enlightenment installed? 

If not, install it with "apt-get install enlightenment".

Re: Can't compile 2.4 on PReP w/ potato

[Matt Brubeck]

The official release of Linux 2.4.0 doesn't compile on powerpc.

For now, to build a 2.4 kernel you will need to grab sources from the
PowerPC development trees. Cort's pages have more information:

http://www.fsmlabs.com/linuxppcbk.html

Re: NO MOUSE

[Matt Brubeck]

> I have a three disk set and have installed the packages and booted up
> _started x but no mouse! I have a Logitech usb wheelman.

You probably need to modify your X server config to point at the correct
mouse device. If you are running a recent kernel, including the
2.2.18pre21 kernel currently shipping in Debian, then the correct device
is /dev/input/mice.

On an older kernel, the device may be /dev/usbmouse.

Open the file /etc/X11/XF86Config (or XF86Config-4 if you are running
XFree 4.0). Change the "Device" line of the mouse section to the correct
device path. Now restart X.

Hopefully you can use your mouse now. If not, feel free to write back to
the list or to me personally.

Re: startx

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, janax wrote:

> it's running well  and i can use all the shells
> but i'm not able to startx = command not found

startx is in the xbase-clients package. Install it with:

  apt-get install xbase-clients

If you want to install a large set of basic X11 packages
all at once, you can do:

  apt-get install task-x-window-system

Re: Dvorak keymap

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Bruce McIntyre wrote:

> Are you talking about X when you mention "Keyboard sends Linux
> keycodes" or is that some kernel argument?

You can set this option by doing:
  echo 1 >/proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes

or by using the kernel argument "keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes=1".
Your kernel must contain the new input layer (2.4, 2.2.18 or higher).

If you switch to this option, you should then run kbdconfig to choose an
x86 keymap as your default. Otherwise you may be unable to type after your
next reboot.

> Do you think it is best to wait for 2.6 rather than submit the driver
> to debian now (which I don't know how to do!)

Eventually everyone should be using the new input layer, but for now it
would be very nice to have Dvorak and maybe some more international
keymaps in the mac directory. LinuxPPC includes many mac keymaps that
aren't in Debian. Perhaps we should use those, if there are no licensing
issues.

Someone should contact the console-data package maintainer.

> It will be interesting to see if the new input layer will allow the
> user to reassign the caps lock key to meta or control...

I have actually done this in my own keymap (caps lock -> control). It
works just fine.

Re: Dvorak keymap

[Matt Brubeck]

>> I have actually done this in my own keymap (caps lock -> control). It
>> works just fine.
> 
> Really???  On an ADB keyboard?  How did you do it?

No, USB. Sorry. :(

Re: error compiling official kernel 2.4.1

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Rolf Schatzmann wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is an already patched and working source
> that will compile cleanly for PPC out there somewhere?

Yes. You can rsync or bk directly from the main PPC development tree.
See http://www.fsmlabs.com/linuxppcbk.html for details.

Re: best way to swissgerman keyboard for pismo under 2.4 and XF4?

[Matt Brubeck]

> On i386 I managed the problem with xmodmap, but is this still a good
> way now? I try changing keymaps, but I cannot bring for example
> Control-Shift keycode 33 = bracketleft does´t work.

Yes, xmodmap should work as before, but you may not be able to use the
same .Xmodmap file.

If you haven't already, you may need to check the keycode number. The
powerpc kernel uses Mac ADB keycodes by default, so the numbers are not
the same as i386. Use 'xev' in X or 'showkey' from the console to see
which keycode corresponds to a given key.

> Somebody told me, that it is even possible to use i386 keymaps, but
> how?

If you have a 2.2.18 or newer kernel (including 2.4.x), you can switch
from Mac-style to i386-style keycodes by passing this kernel argument:

  keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes=1

Before you begin using the kernel argument, be sure to use 'kdbconfig' to
change your default keymap to an i386 one. Otherwise you won't be able to
type when you first boot up. You can also switch on the fly by doing:

  echo 1 >/proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes

After you have switched, you can use 'loadkeys' to load a standard
i386 keymap, by running for example 'loadkeys sg'.

If you want the X server to use your console keymap unchanged, just
include this line in the keyboard section of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4:

  Option "XkbDisable"

Re: moving from linuxppc - newbie needs help please

[Matt Brubeck]

> the option key trick is ibook and agp g4 only.  it won't work on an
> imac.

This actually works on my slot-loading iMac. It will definitely not work
on older iMacs, though. I don't know which slot-loading models support it.

Re: x-window on powermac G3

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, pohl wrote:

> Also, I recall running a configurator called "dexter" that was fairly
> nice on a debian/i386 system recently while installing XFree 4, but
> now I can't find the thing, and am doubting my memory of its
> existence.

>From /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/changelog.Debian.gz:

  * dexter has been obsoleted; all its questions have been made
debconf questions instead; the "dexconf" tool is a backend that
generates XF86Config files from debconf database values

This means you can run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to enter new
configuration options, then run "dexconf" to generate a new XF86Config-4
based on your answers.

Re: debian-powerpc: Is "testing" ready for powerpc hosts

[Matt Brubeck]

Brendan Simon wrote:

> Is testing ready for powerpc platforms or should I stick to stable ???

Testing is working fine on powerpc. I've been running it on one of my
boxes since it was first implemented, and haven't had any notable
problems.

In general, testing should be about the same on all platforms, since a
package that breaks on any architecture will be held back from testing
until it builds again. So testing should be free from most of the
autobuilder lag problems that unstable suffers on alternate platforms.

Re: debian-powerpc: I can't find pmud

[Matt Brubeck]

Brendan J Simon wrote:

> I found it in testing and unstable only by updating my
> /etc/apt/sources.list file and doing an apt-get update.  I didn't
> really want to do that but now I have taken the plunge.

In apt 0.5 it is now possible to do "apt-get install pmud/testing" to
install another release's version of a single package.

apt 0.5 is only in unstable at the moment, so it wouldn't have helped your
particular case, but in the future these things should be easier.

Re: evolution etc...

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Adam C Powell IV wrote:

> There are new versions of everything now, but the holdup is
> guile-core, which doesn't build on PPC right now.  See bug #86669.
>
> As soon as that's resolved, I'll upload a bunch of new packages
> (unless the autobuilders beat me to it :-).

Speaking of new packages, I recently built sawfish and rep-gtk from the
source packages in unstable. Both compiled without problems. Is there any
reason the autobuilders haven't been compiling these for the past several
months?

I'm not a Debian developer so I can't upload to Debian, but I can make
these packages available if anyone wants them.

Re: XF86Config (G4 Installation)

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Rodney Brookes wrote:

>>> XF86Config or XF86Config-4 command not found.
>>> /etc/X11/XF86Config or /dev/mouse Permission Denied.

>> Are these the real messages from startx?

> no these are the messages from trying to configure with XF86Config

Are you trying to run "XF86Config" as a command? It is actually a file
which you should edit, using a text editor.

Re: XF86Config (G4 Installation)

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Rodney Brookes wrote:

>> Are you trying to run "XF86Config" as a command? It is actually a file
>> which you should edit, using a text editor.
>
> Yes I'm new to Debian but have the book learning debian gnu/linux  by
> o'reilly which says  ''However you can launch the program any time
> you like. To do so log in as root and type the command: xf86config.''

Type "xf86config" (no capitals). You may need to edit the resulting config
file (/etc/X11/XF86Config) when you are done.

Re: Quicktime movies

[Matt Brubeck]

If you have a copy of MacOS, you can run QuickTime Player under
mac-on-linux. There are some issues with sound synch, but otherwise it
works fine.

Re: what happened to gvim?

[Matt Brubeck]

>> I'm running unstable, and I'd like to run gvim. I installed vim-gtk,
>> like on my PC (vim-gtk provides gvim), but I don't have gvim on ppc!

> That'll happen if the gtk development stuff isn't installed when vim
> is built.  (This is currently the case in Potato/Alpha -- I'd guess
> PPC is similar.)

Ah, is that what it is? I submitted a bug on the vim-gtk package and
looked into the problem briefly, but I couldn't figure out the cause.

> I worked around it by doing an "apt-get --compile source vim" and
> installing the appropriate generated .deb.

Can we get a powerpc Debian developer to do this and make an NMU, or could
the autobuilder's maintainer cause it to rebuild vim-gtk?

Re: what happened to gvim?

[Matt Brubeck]

>> Can we get a powerpc Debian developer to do this and make an NMU, or
>> could the autobuilder's maintainer cause it to rebuild vim-gtk?

> The right way to do this is to mail the bug telling the maintainer to
> add libgtk1.2-dev to Build-Depends, then the next version will be
> autobuilt properly.

Okay, I've added that information to the already-filed Normal bug. If it
goes much longer without being fixed (the alpha bug was filed 244 day
ago), I'll submit a Serious bug regarding the build-depends line.

Re: Web Mailing list interface not updated

[Matt Brubeck]

> I was following this list using the web interface, which allows one to
> sort by Subject, thread, date, etc. When I sorted by date, I realized
> the archive hadn't been updated since March 20.

At the top of the page, click the forward arrow to go to the next page of
the index.

arrow key problem, kernel 2.2.19pre17

[Matt Brubeck]

After upgrading to kernel-image-2.2.19pre17-pmac, I can no longer use my
right arrow key. It is not sending any key events at all, according to xev
and showkey. The keys worked fine under a 2.2.18 kernel I compiled myself
from kernel.org sources.

I have a slot-loading iMac with an Apple USB keyboard (the old mini
keyboards). I boot with "keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes=1". The proper
keycode for the right arrow should be 113.

Anyone else having similar problems? Any clues? I looked briefly through
the patches from 2.2.18 to 2.2.19pre17 but didn't find anything obvious.
If no one knows what's wrong then I'll do some more testing and take the
discussion to the linuxppc-dev mailing list.

Re: arrow key problem, kernel 2.2.19pre17

[Matt Brubeck]

> What happens when you boot your old kernel?  Does it work again then,
> or did the switch for that key die?  It could be a hardware failure.

No, it's definitely the kernel. I switched back to the old kernel and it's
working fine.

Re: arrow key problem, kernel 2.2.19pre17

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:

>> After upgrading to kernel-image-2.2.19pre17-pmac, I can no longer use
>> my right arrow key. It is not sending any key events at all, according
>> to xev and showkey. The keys worked fine under a 2.2.18 kernel I
>> compiled myself from kernel.org sources.

> i vaguely remember benh grumbling about this on irc a couple weeks
> ago, iirc he finally figured out that the kernel decided that the
> arrow key should be sysrq or something silly like that.  is sysrq
> turned on in this kernel?

$ grep SYSRQ /boot/config-2.2.19pre17
CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y

That would explain why my other kernel worked -- sysrq was off in that.

Re: Configure keys for my keyboard

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Arne Scheffler wrote:

> there are some keys on my keyboard which xkb don't map right. Now I
> want to know the keycodes. But I don't know which tool to use. Is
> there a tool I can start, press the key and see which keycode it
> produce?

Use "xev" from the xbase-clients package. Start it from an xterm, then
give it focus and press the keys. Their keycodes will appear in the xterm.

Re: upgrade to MacOS 9.1, now lilo dissapears

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Grant Miller wrote:

> At some point after I erased the OS 9.0.4 partition, a disk called
> bootstrap showed up on the MacOS desktop.  This disk has never
> appeared before in MacOS.  The bootstrap disk is at /dev/hda9 is named
> Apple_Bootstrap and is of type HFS.
>
> Once the bootstrap disk showed up in MacOS, lilo did not appear when
> booting.

Minor note: the newworld bootloader is called yaboot, not lilo.

> Is there a way to get the Apple_Bootstrap partition to not be seen by
> MacOS even though it is a HFS partition?

Yes. The type (not the name) of the partition should be Apple_Bootstrap
rather than Apple_HFS. This will prevent MacOS from mounting the partition
and unblessing the boot script.

Using mac-fdisk to change the partition type should solve your problem.

If for some reason this doesn't work, you could also try running ybin with
the --protect option, or adding "protect" to /etc/yaboot.conf. This will
make the yaboot files read-only, and hopefully will prevent MacOS from
unblessing them.

Re: [off topic] more ram?

[Matt Brubeck]

> I can buy 128 MB dimm's in the shops for AU $100, so I am wondering
> will normal dimm's work in the iMac, 192 MB Ram for half the price of
> upgrading the computer to 128 MB through apple is definitely a good
> thing as far as I can see.

Yes, new iMacs use standard PC100 DIMMs.

There is one issue where the latest version of the firmware is more picky
than other machines about RAM specifications. If your memory isn't exactly
up to spec, then Apple machines with this latest firmware will silently
disable it on boot. You can read about it at MacInTouch:

http://www.macintouch.com/firmwareramprob.html

Re: openmotif and ppc .debs source ?

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Vinai wrote:

> Has anyone out there put together a .deb of openmotif ?  If so - where
> would I be able to download it ?

"apt-get install libmotif"
(or libmotif-dev for the headers and development files)

> And a more general question - where can we find PPC .debs ?  I
> recently moved from LinuxPPC to Debian PPC, so I am still trying to
> find my way around ...

Run "dselect" as root. This will allow you to search through available
packages, and install/remove them from your system. Edit
/etc/apt/sources.list to add new package sources (e.g. to upgrade from
potato to woody).

dselect is largely self-documenting.

Re: ybin problem

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Arne Scheffler wrote:

> stella:/home/scheffle# ybin
> hmount: /dev/hda2: not a Macintosh HFS volume (Invalid argument)
> ybin: An error occured trying to access /dev/hda2 as HFS

Perhaps you have not initialized the filesystem on /dev/hda2. If this is
the case, you should run "mkofboot" once. This will initialize the
partition *and* install yaboot.

Re: Getting MOL running (was "Re: Power Management et. al.")

[Matt Brubeck]

On 22 Apr 2001, Tovar wrote:

> Ah - maybe you accessed through AppleShare, and TCP/IP didn't
> work? It seems that DHCP is not reliable when used from both
> Linux and Mac - try adding your IP manually in either system.
>
> Correct.  It's already manually configured and works with the i386 box
> doing IP masquerading.  Is it supposed to get the same IP address as
> its host LINUX system or does it want its own???

MacOS needs its own separate address. Alternately you can set up linux to
proxy for mol via an ethertap device.

> It works great on the local X server, an amazing hack!  It just
> doesn't work remotely, probably because of the bitmap mapping magic to
> achieve X Windows compatability.  I'm not complaining it not working,
> i would just like to have shown the folks at work a Mac screen over a
> dialup connection under X Windows, especially given how annoying 'PC
> Anywhere' is to me.

There are options in the molrc file for remote X display -- notably the
"use_backing_store" option.  Have you tried these?  (I haven't tried it
myself, just wondering if they work.)

Re: What's killing my MOL?

[Matt Brubeck]

> My biggest problem right now is reliability -- it's not very robust
> with my current hardware/software configuration.  I seem to have three
> modes of lossage.

This part of the discussion should probably move to the mol-general
mailing list. See .

Re: libstdc++ breakage (__throw unresolved)

[Matt Brubeck]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Michel [iso-8859-1] Dänzer wrote:

> I just did a minor upgrade involving libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 and in the
> process update-menus failed:

I had this problem also, and want to warn everyone very strongly to place
this package on hold. Do not upgrade to 2.95.4-0.01. It breaks package
installation and removal, and caused several packages on my system to be
left in a broken state. It wasn't too difficult to recover and downgrade,
but definitely an unwanted hassle.

> I rebuilt menu and it works again. But it seems a lot of binaries
> linked against /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 fail in the same way
> so I wonder what would be the best way to fix this?

Has anyone contacted the maintainer? I assume this problem only occurs on
powerpc, since I didn't see anything on the other Debian lists.

Re: compiling pgp 2.6.2

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Peter Cordes wrote:

> -g3 ?  What does that do.  -g turns on debug symbols in object files,
> but I didn't think it took a numeric argument.

The numeric argument changes the level of debugging information from the
default level 2 to level 1 (minimal - function names but no line numbers
or variable names) or level 3 (extra info such as macro expansions).

Re: gdm

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sun, 6 May 2001, Daniel Bondurant wrote:

> I am having a problem with gdm.  it keeps trying to re launch every 5
> minutes, even if I am logged into Gnome - which kills X, brings up the
> login screen again, but doesn't log out the current session.
>
> also, the when computer is idle and no one is logged it, it keeps
> killing X and restarting gdm.

This sounds like another case of the built-in screensaver making the
server crash.

This thread from last month has more information:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc-0104/msg00252.html

By the way, are you using the offb driver (novideo, or video=ofonly)?

Re: how to upgrade modutils

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 19 May 2001, Andrew Sharp wrote:

> # apt-get upgrade modutils/unstable
>
> but that ends up doing nothing.

I believe this should be "apt-get install modutils/unstable"
but I am away from my Debian box at the moment and can't be sure.

I also believe that this sort of "pinning" operation requires apt 0.5 or
greater, so it may not work on a standard potato system. You can always
download the modutils deb by hand, and install it with dpkg -i.

Re: Problems with the mouse

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 19 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello everybody. I am just starting to use linux in PowerPC G3 (Old
> World one) and althought the installation was sucessfull I am having
> some problems with X. In this moment the graphic interface opens ( I
> select Enlightement) but I can do nothing because the mouse is not
> responding. I suppose there is some problem with the configuration. I
> check the dev directory and the mouse is pointing to gpmdata. Is this
> O.K. or I have to change it in order to use the mouse?

Short answer: Your mouse device is /dev/input/mice or /dev/adbmouse

Long answer:

If you are using a recent version of Debian (2.2r2 or later I think), then
your kernel has the new input layer activated. The mouse device is
/dev/input/mice.  Change the /dev/mouse link to point at this file, and
make sure that /etc/X11/XF86Config lists either the /dev/mouse symlink or
the mice device itself, with protocol "ImPS/2".

If /dev/input/mice does not exist, look in the list archives
 for instructions to create it.

If you installed from an older Debian CD, the mouse device is
/dev/adbmouse, and XF86Config should have protocol "BusMouse".

Re: Mpeg video player

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 21 May 2001, Mark Nellemann wrote:

> Everything works perfect, but I dont have a video player. Could
> someone on the list recommend a player that works well on the powerpc
> platform.

For mpeg video I use "gtv" from the smpeg-gtv package. It's a very basic
player without many features, but it works.

Re: Woody Impressions

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 21 May 2001, Adam C Powell IV wrote:

> And it doesn't help that it starts by default in Mail/News, so those
> components are loaded at startup even if you just want to use the
> browser...

What? This has never been true for me. I've used every Mozilla version
from M12 to 0.9 including nightly builds; on MacOS and Linux; from
mozilla.org tarballs, official Debian packages, and unofficial debs.
I have never opened the Mail/News portion of the client, or had it open
automatically. Check your Mozilla configuration.

It's actually possible to install ONLY the browser component -- this is
supported by the installers on other platforms, and gecko (the Debian
maintainer) says he will separate the components into different packages
once Mozilla makes it back into main.

Re: GNU/Linux, NetBSD and Mac OS X

[Matt Brubeck]

Hi. I can't answer all of your questions, but here's a start. Good luck!

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Edouard G. Parmelan wrote:

> - which NetBSD and/or GNU/Linux filesystems Mac OS X support ?

I don't know.


> - can NetBSD and/or GNU/Linux access to Mac OS X filesystem ?

Yes. Currently the best way to do this is with hfsplusutils. These work on
both Linux and NetBSD (there are Debian packages available). These are
userland tools rather than native kernel support, but they do work.

MacOSX UFS is supported read-only by the Linux kernel. I don't know the
state of support under NetBSD.


> - can NetBSD use an ext2fs partition as / ?

I don't know.

Do you really need to mount your NetBSD root partition under Linux, or can
you get by with other ext2 partitions instead?


> - can GNU/Linux access to NetBSD FFS partition ?

Yes.


> - GNU/Linux seem to need/require yaboot.  Can yaboot start NetBSD ?

No.

It appears that the NetBSD bootstrap system is very similar to that
used by yaboot/ybin, so it may not be difficult to make ybin work with the
NetBSD bootloader as well.

Currently however it seems you will need to go through Open Firmware in
order to switch operating systems. This is not too troublesome on recent
hardware. Oh, you should also try holding down Option while booting, to
see if the iBook has the built-in multiboot chooser like some iMacs and
G4s, and whether it will boot NetBSD (it works for yaboot and MacOS X).


> - I have read that there is a Darwing version of BootX (that use Open
>   Firmare).  Can this version start NetBSD, GNU/Linux and Mac OS X ?

No, it currently cannot boot NetBSD or GNU/Linux.


> [Debian]:  Should I use Potato r3 or Woody ?  If the answer is woody, is
> there CD images somewhere ?

Use potato for the initial install (as the install disks for woody are not
yet ready), and then upgrade to woody.

Go to .

Re: PowerPC Install docs

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Derek Schrock wrote:

> Could someone point in a good direction of DebianPPC install docs?

There are some (rather terse) docs at:
http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac

The bootdisks still complain that "your architecture is not supported" on
many machines. Until that's fixed, you may have to use the old-style
install, as described in the FAQ-o-Matic:
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~jonh/lppc-serve/cache/572.html

If you're installing on a new model Macintosh (iBook, iMac 350 or DV,
PowerMac G4 w/ AGP video), you'll find the following helpful:

  Yellow Dog Linux install instructions for new-world macs
  (usefule if you need to use the old-style bootstrap described above):
  http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/faq_solutions.shtml

  iMac Linux's installation info for the new (slot-loading) iMacs:
  http://www.imaclinux.net/

  Ben Herrenschmidt's kernel patches for new-world macs
  (this page has the latest versions; the ones at YDL are dated):
  http://ppclinux.apple.com/~benh/

Good luck.

---Matt Brubeck

Re: problem with gconv-modules

[Matt Brubeck]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, David P. Reese Jr. wrote:

> when does it look like gconv-modules will be fixed?  it seems like everything
> depends on libgtk1.2 which depends on gconv-modules, so my G4 seems to be
> lacking some pretty cool packages.

I'm not sure whether this is the same problem you have, but read on:

After the last Debian-PPC installation I helped with, we couldn't get
either the locales package (which provides gconv-modules) or the libc6
package to update, since the newer version of each seemed to conflict
with the already-installed version of the other.

I believe we finally got everything updated by convincing dselect to hold
back the libc6 package (mark it with '='), which allowed us to upgrade
locales, and then reselecting libc6 and upgrading it.

We were working out of the potato branch when we fixed the problem, and
upgraded back up to woody after it was fixed. This may help also.

I'm not sure what caused this problem, as I didn't see it when I installed
on my own machine. Should the base filesystem tarball bundled with the
boot-disks include newer versions of libc6 and/or locales?


Matt Brubeck

Re: Need modules to finish installation

[Matt Brubeck]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Josh Kuperman wrote:

> I managed to install the base for the potato distribution by following
> the instructions on  [ ... snip ... ]
> 
> The last step makes the installation and running from BootX a little
> weird.  This means I don't have any modules and can't mount my zip
> drive that I need to use apt-get since the only machine I have access
> to with a broadband connection and removeable media is Win98. So I
> couldn't follow a previous suggestion because I didn't have modules
> and as fas as I can tell, I'm not quite sure how to get them.  Is is a
> simple matter of extracting them from the distribution and installing
> in /lib/modules?

Since you're using BootX, you must have MacOS installed. This may be
useful. If you have a plain HFS partition (not HFS+) on your hard-drive,
you should be able to use that to transfer files from MacOS to Linux.
If the kernel you used has HFS filesystem support, you can simply mount
your HFS volume with "mount -t hfs  ".

You might also want to download a pre-compiled kernel from elsewhere, for
example:

ftp://ftp.linuxppc.org/kernels/

These should have the SCSI support you need to mount your Zip drive
directly from Linux.


Matt Brubeck

Re: Performa PPC 6400 (was 7100)

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Mario Menezes wrote:

>I checked again with the guy that has the 
> machine and indeed is a Performa 6400 PPC model.
>Does your answer still apply to this model?

The 6400 can indeed run Debian (and other PowerPC-Linux distributions).

One of my own PPC Linux boxen is a PowerBase 180, which uses the same 603e
CPU and I believe the same motherboard chipset.

Matt Brubeck

Re: /etc/X11/Xmodmap re-revisited

[Matt Brubeck]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:

> PReP takes a PS/2 keyboard
> PowerMac takes an ADB keyboard
> CHRP takes a PS/2 or ADB keyboard
> APUS takes an Amiga keyboard

And some PowerMac clones (those made by Power Computing) can also use PS/2
keyboards.

Re: GNU/Linux, NetBSD and Mac OS X

[Matt Brubeck]

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:

> > It appears that the NetBSD bootstrap system is very similar to that
> > used by yaboot/ybin, so it may not be difficult to make ybin work with the
> > NetBSD bootloader as well.
>
> this has been something i have yet to get around to doing...  i was
> going to look at this but OpenBSD barfed when it saw this scsi card in
> my blue g3.
>
> can someone send me more info on exactly how the netbsd bootstrap
> partition is setup?

This page has fairly detailed explanation, and I'm sure the NetBSD
developers will be happy to fill you in on any more details:



[This FAQ also has a very excellent OF reference and tutorial,
 worth checking out.]

> do they still require that the disk use msdos partition tables?

Only on oldworld machines. On machines with OF version 2.4 or 3, it can
boot from MacOS formatted disks with HFS partitions, ala yaboot.
OF 3 can even boot the kernel directly, with no extra bootloader.

> it would be quite easy for me to add a netbsd= option to the ybin boot
> menu, i just need more info on what file i need to execute.

Excellent!  Hopefully this will give you a start.

It would also be a service to NetBSD/macppc if someone could port ybin to
NetBSD, for configuring and installing the kernel and bootstrap files.
On multi-boot systems a single HFS-formatted bootstrap volume could be
used for both the NetBSD kernel and yaboot. Might it be possible to port
ofpath also?

If no one has picked up these ideas in a few months (when I have access to
my newworld machine again), I'll give it a try.

Re: GNU/Linux, NetBSD and Mac OS X

[Matt Brubeck]

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Cameron Berkenpas wrote:

> OS X supports UFS? Which UFS? As in FFS (which open/net/free use)? That's
> pretty cool but I figured OS X would have some nifty brand new filesystem.

Apple's "nifty brand new filesystem" is HFS+, which they have made the
default on all MacOS 9/ X installations.

However, OS X also supports the UFS filesystem of its NeXTSTEP ancestry.
This shares common UFS ancestry with the Berkeley FFS, but is not fully
compatible. See below...

> Linux can mount UFS/FFS partitions, and read-write support is
> available. But I STRONGLY suggest mounting FFS/UFS partitions
> read-only, you can damage the filesystem, and in fact, I have. I've
> not damaged a BSD file system, though, if I open a file in a text
> editor it tends to corrupt the file (like half the file will be gone).
> I have killed solaris filesystems through linux though... Which is of
> course a UFS, and I don't know really much at all about OS X's file
> system. You've been warned.

Not all UFS/FFS are equal. The Linux kernel docs have some info at
Documentation/filesystems/ufs.txt:

Re: GNU/Linux, NetBSD and Mac OS X

[Matt Brubeck]

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Andrew Sharp wrote:

> The question is, which UFS is Linux' UFS related to?

As detailed in the link you quoted, the Linux kernel supports old Bell
Labs UFS, 4.4BSD FFS, a couple flavors of SunOS/Solaris UFS, and three
flavors of NeXTSTEP UFS.  The UFS filesystem driver requires a mount
argument "ufstype=" so that it can work with all of these UFS formats.

I'm curious whether the MacOS X filesystem is closer to the {Net,Open,
Free}BSD FFS or to the NeXTStep UFS, and in either case whether the Linux
ufs module will work without modifications.

I don't currently have access to my development PowerMac, so I can't test
it myself.  Could anyone out there give it a try?  Remember, always mount
a scratch monkey!

Re: Woody Impressions

[Matt Brubeck]

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Adam C Powell IV wrote:

> Just to answer a couple of questions, I am using Ethan's mozilla .debs
> (thanks Ethan!), and they always open to the Mail/News reader.  Which is
> fine for me, since I'm using it for Mail/News, but must be annoying and
> resource-wasting for anyone using it just to browse.

I see. I'm using the same debs and I can verify that they don't default to
Mail/News on a new install. They're doing it on your installation because
of settings in your .mozilla directory. I believe there is a set of
checkboxes in the very first preference panel for which components to open
on startup.

Re: gnome for woody? - Thanks

[Matt Brubeck]

>> task- packages are currently in the process of being dragged out back
>> and shot.  so i wouldn't worry about that right now.  tasksel will
>> soon/is working with the new non-broken method for tasks.

>  Where is there info about this?  AFAIK, the only really bad part
> about task-packages is that they can't be used if even one of their
> dependencies is broken.  Other than that, they seem ok to me.  I'm
> curious about what's going to replace them.

Here's the start of a relevant thread:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot-0105/msg00075.html

Re: Two questions

[Matt Brubeck]

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Patrick Klee wrote:

> The first question I have is what do I need to read (Like HOWTOs and
> stuff.) to setup my Linux PC, to download Debian PPC and upload it
> into my iMac?  I don¹t have a floppy drive, and I heard it was
> possible. I have dial up and can't afford Linux on CD right now.

I highly recommend installing from CD as both the easiest and fastest
method for you. Downloading the entire installation over dialup will be
quite tedious whichever way you do it.  has
Debian/powerpc 2.2r3 CDs for US$10.

If you download the files to your PC, you'll need to do 2 things:

* First you will need to get a few small boot files onto your iMac
  using MacOS or some other OS. These must be on an HFS volume. You can
  then set up yaboot by hand to boot from the hard drive. See the yaboot
  docs or list archives for details.

* Second, you'll have to set up your PC as an NFS server with a copy of
  the base filesystem tarball. When the Debian installer asks how to
  install the base filesystem, point it at your NFS server.

For full instructions, read the Debian/PPC install guide carefully:


> I had SuSE 7.0 and pitched it in the trash, because I kept installing
> it but I restart or shut down my machine and when I reboot I get a
> blank gray screen like MacOS is trying to boot up.  How do I know
> Debian won't do this?

Follow closely the install guide's instructions for setting up yaboot:


> If you guys can help me out, I could send some Avengeline comics.
> She is a superhero with a super hot body.  I don¹t' know the company,
> but the art work RULES!!!

Umm, I'll pass. Anyone?

Re: PPC

[Matt Brubeck]

> Where can I buy a compiled copy of the PPC version of Debian?
> Preferably with the 2.4 kernel.

Be warned that in most cases, 2.2.19 is more stable than the 2.4 series on
powerpc. Unless you are doing development or depend on sepecific features
or hardware supported only in 2.4, the 2.2 series is recommended.

If you do use 2.4, be aware that the official releases from Linus at
kernel.org probably won't work unmodified. Currently you will have to get
source from one of the powerpc development trees.

There is also a 2.4 kernel image package in unstable, which has powerpc
patches applied.

Re: Two problems

[Matt Brubeck]

On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Lorenzo De Vito wrote:

> 1) I've installed another disk on a new machine (G4) with MacOS, can I
> boot both, Linux and MacOS, with Yaboot ??

Yes. Read "man yaboot.conf" for details.

> 2) How can I access as normal user to "pon" ?

I believe you just need to add your account to group "dip".

Re: Yaboot

[Matt Brubeck]

> What's latest stable release of yaboot ?

1.2.1.

http://penguinppc.org/~benh/

Please check online before mailing the list, if possible.

vim-gtk bugs fixed?

[Matt Brubeck]

It appears that long-standing alpha and powerpc bugs 83825 and 67737 (no
gvim in vim-gtk, caused by build-deps bug 92065) have been fixed in
testing and unstable.  At least, the build-depends have been fixed in the
latest source packages.

However, I have no PPC or Alpha machine over the summer so I can't test
for certain. Can users of these ports verify that vim-gtk/unstable
includes a functional gvim? Then we can close the bugs on this 332-day-old
issue.

(Bug 83825 is duplicated in bugs 87291 and 95227.)

Re: What's the best replacement editor for ae?

[Matt Brubeck]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Otto Wyss wrote:

> What small editors are in use on the PowerPC?

The same as on any GNU/Linux or *NIX platform.

> Is there any editor which is similar to BBedit in respect of the key
> shortcuts?

KDE and GNOME both come with basic GUI text-editors that are easy to use.
These don't qualify as "small" unless you already have KDE or GNOME.
I haven't found other graphical (X11) editors that I might recommend as a
BBEdit substitute, but I haven't looked very hard.

"nano" (a free clone of pico) is perhaps the best small, easy-to-use
editor for the console. It doesn't use the same key shortcuts as BBEdit,
but it has the same spirit of providing a functional, self-explanatory
editing tool.

Re: [RFC] Proposed transition plan for adb -> linux keycodes

[Matt Brubeck]

On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:

> * console-data when upgraded from previous versions will check the
>   status of the dev/mac_hid/keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes sysctl:
>   - If the sysctl does not exist at all we have either a custom,
> misconfigured kernel, or a very old potato kernel.  Explain
> this situation and what to do about it [2].

I believe that this sysctl only exists on systems with *both* H the new
input layer *and* CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES. This was true as of 2.2.17, but
I haven't tested empirically since then.

I this is correct, then we can't use the sysctl to distinguish old kernels
with no new input layer from new kernels with no adb keycodes.

Re: debian: mozilla-0.9.1 not as good as mozilla-0.8.1

[Matt Brubeck]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Brendan J Simon wrote:

> Thanks Paul.  I hadn't installed the PSM.  I have now installed it but
> unfortunately it still doesn't work.  I just get a sreen saying please
> wait while downloading your account information.

I can't say for sure, but this is probably caused by a faulty TLS
implementation on your bank's server. This is covered in the "Known
Problems" section of the Mozilla release notes; generally a good first
place to look when you have problems.

TLS is the successor to SSL. Mozilla 0.9.1 is the first version to use
TLS, and it has problems with some non-compliant servers. There are
patches available to most servers. See these bugs for details:

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54031
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59321

For now, Mozilla users can disable TLS and/or SSL 3.0 in the Security/SSL
section of the Preferences dialog.