Re: PowerPC assembler help
Hi Brad, On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 10:03:14PM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Hi all, Anyone know/understand PowerPC assembler? I have the instruction: lwz 30, .label - (1b)(31) From reading the documentation I could find, I have figured out that it loads a 16 bit value into register 30. The rest has got me somewhat flumoxed. Clues? I'm pretty sure that is loading a 32 bit value. I believe that 'h' is for 16 bit and 'w' is 32 bit. I haven't seen that syntax for the source, but my guess would be that it is an assembler directive of some sort that will get translated into a memory reference of a register/offset, but it seems like it would need to be PC-relative which that instruction wouldn't support directly anyway. Yes, that's about it. lwz loads 32 bits in 32-bit mode, or in 64-bit mode loads 32 bits into the low half of the register and zeros into the high half. In this case reg 30. .label would be the address being loaded from. I'm not sure about the (1b)(31) -- footnotes maybe?? Cheers, Mike. Was this input for an assembler or output from a disassembler? If this is from a disassembly of a dynamically relocatable object, it might have gotten confused by an instruction being the target of a relocation. Brad Boyer f...@allandria.com -- --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51b531fe.9020...@aapt.net.au
Re: wheezy netinst problem on G5 iMac
I wrote: Hi folks, I've got wheezy running happily on my old 17 G5 iMac, and since I now have a new 20 machine, I want to set up the same dual-boot setup I have on the 17. So I downloaded the current netinst snapshot, and the first stage of the installation went without a hitch, including the partitioning. Then it asked me to reboot into the new system, and everything looked normal till it asked me to login. Then I found there was no response from the mouse or keyboard. I did a hard reboot and tried again, but same result. Is this a known issue? I'm not sure what to do next. Hmmm no replies. I'm not sure what to do. I think I probably have two options: 1. Hope this keyboard freeze won't happen if I install squeeze. So I could do that, and if it works, upgrade to wheezy and reinstall all the extra stuff I've got loaded on the other machine. A big, long, fiddly job. 2. Clone the system on my other machine and copy it over. This is what I'd rather do. I've set up an ext4 partition on an external drive. If I mount it as say /mnt/external, is the correct command cp -R / /mnt/external ??? Then if I get that far, I would connect the external drive to my new machine, and as I already have the partitions set up, I'd have to boot from a CD system, mount both partitions (the target partition on my new machine and the partition on my external drive where I copied everything). Then do cp -R with the appropriate source and destination. Please, somebody, am I on the right track? And if so, how can I set up a system on a CD that will let me do this second copy? Hoping somebody can give me a bit of direction here. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcb6f06.7030...@aapt.net.au
Re: wheezy netinst problem on G5 iMac
Thanks to those who've made suggestions. I could use tar, but still haven't been able to find a live-CD that I could use on my new machine in order to do the copy to that machine -- there are a few, but Intel-only. Maybe Gentoo. But I think I'll just try installing squeeze and then upgrade. I've got a good fast connection. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcc6969.8080...@aapt.net.au
Re: wheezy netinst problem on G5 iMac
On 13/05/11 9:43 AM, bunk3m wrote: You could try Finnix. Debian based and PPC. I used it to format and fix a Lombard hard drive. http://www.finnix.org/ Thanks Bunk. I'll keep that in mind. At the moment I've installed squeeze successfully and almost finished updating to wheezy, but if I end up going with plan B I'll use Finnix. It also looks good for emergency rescue. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcc9a6b.60...@aapt.net.au
wheezy netinst problem on G5 iMac
Hi folks, I've got wheezy running happily on my old 17 G5 iMac, and since I now have a new 20 machine, I want to set up the same dual-boot setup I have on the 17. So I downloaded the current netinst snapshot, and the first stage of the installation went without a hitch, including the partitioning. Then it asked me to reboot into the new system, and everything looked normal till it asked me to login. Then I found there was no response from the mouse or keyboard. I did a hard reboot and tried again, but same result. Is this a known issue? I'm not sure what to do next. Now that the partitions are set up, would it be better to bypass the whole problem by connecting an external drive to the 17 machine and do cp -R / whatever to just copy the whole system to the external drive, and then copy it to my new partition on the 20 machine? Would this work? And if so, how would I get enough of a running system on the 20 machine to do the copy? Maybe booting off the netinst CD that I burned? Sorry if this is a bit basic, but I'm still a bit of a newbie in this area. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dc72af7.2070...@aapt.net.au
Re: Running a G5 with Ubuntu 10.04 (windfarm issues
On 10/07/10 4:08 PM, Eraina and Richard jenkins wrote: ... Thanks to Jeroen for the suggestion. I reinstalled ubuntu 10.04 and added the line to my /etc/modules. That seems to have done the trick. I shall give it a more through work-out this evening. I would have stayed with Debian ... but the attractiveness of a 2.6.32 kernel was beguiling!! ... and I didn't have to kernel compile!! Just a PS - I notice that Squeeze is now using 2.6.32. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c3d0c01.5010...@aapt.net.au
Re: fan management on G5
Hi Erik, Gary wrote: Is anyone using ppc64 Debian on an Apple Power Mac G5 have issues with their fans? I raised this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580832 My solution to the problem was to add a line containing: windfarm_core to /etc/modules. Thanks - that seems to be working for me. I was particularly concerned about the fan not doing its job since the max temperature around here is around 33 deg C every day (Darwin, northern Australia). We don't do winter :-) Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c2c739a.40...@aapt.net.au
Re: fan management on G5
On 1/07/10 8:54 AM, Gary wrote: Is anyone using ppc64 Debian on an Apple Power Mac G5 have issues with their fans? Mine will run quietly for some time after bootup but after an indeterminate amount of time the fans will turn on full blast until I reboot again. I know that some of these systems used to run pretty hot but I don't recall it being this noisy with OS X -- especially as it's mostly idle. Mine is either the PCI or PCI-X model of the PowerMac7,3 (dual 2.0 GHz procs). Hi Gary - I've got a G5 iMac (Rev A) - I'm running squeeze and usually get the latest updates every couple of weeks. The fan control has always been fine, but with recent updates I've seen the same erratic behavior you describe. I haven't had time to check it out properly, but I'm a bit worried the machine will overheat if I run Debian too long (mostly I run OSX). Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c2bd5d8.70...@aapt.net.au
Re: RealPlayer audio streams
Benjamin Cama wrote: Hi, I don't want to sound too pedantic, bit I'd like to precise some things : Le mardi 27 janvier 2009 à 14:28 +0930, Mike Hore a écrit : Anyway, kplayer is happily handling real streams, MP3 and WMP with no problem. Hey, I'm not a purist, I just like to get the job done, any way that works :-) It's not about being a purist, it's just about not breaking the law. By using this software, you put yourself in an illegal position in your country, and I don't know why some people find it exciting to break the law (a famous example in our computer world being by using software they've obtained illegally), but that's not my case. OK, point taken. Actually I have no idea what Australia's position is on software patents, and I don't really want to bother finding out. But thank you for pointing out that the problem isn't an issue of purity, whatever that is, but legality. ... I am not telling you not to use these software, on the contrary ! I think that you're just being reminded, by using this repository, that your act is condemned in some place like yours, because of these laws. Yes, I'm happy to be reminded that there might be a legality issue. Then it's up to me where I go from there. And I think you should care, so that you can better fight these rules that hinders you from lawfully using some of the free-software that come with Debian. Yes, I care, at least if the patent is stupid. I'm not against intellectual property protection as such, but I know some patents, granted by judges with no IT experience, are very strange, let's say. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RealPlayer audio streams
Hans Ekbrand wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:12:09PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Hans Ekbrand hans.ekbr...@sociology.gu.se [2009-01-22 15:19:14 CET]: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 02:24:34PM +0100, Bin Zhang wrote: You can use mplayer and mozilla-mplayer (debian packages). You need realmedia codecs. Two options for installing the codecs: - run /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/binary_codecs.sh install - install Linux PPC 20071007 codecs in your /usr/lib/codecs from http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html You'll need installing the package libstdc++.so.5. Both of these, are not-the-debian-way. Says who? The binary_codecs.sh script infact _is_ the Debian way. Generally, running install scripts is *not* the debian way, apt-get is. I don't know the details in this particular case. Why not just apt-get from www.debian-multimedia.org? Because that's not-the-debian-way. Maybe not in your contry, but maybe in countries that does not acknowledge software patents. I don't now your particular situation, but this is my guess. Hi folks, I'm in Australia which I think does acknowledge software patents but I don't really know, or even care, frankly. But just for the record, www.debian-multimedia.org did the job for me. All I did was add that line to my sources.list file, use SPM to select kplayer and everything it depends on, and apply the updates. I think that's pretty much equivalent to using apt-get, but SPM supposedly handles dependencies a bit better? Anyway, kplayer is happily handling real streams, MP3 and WMP with no problem. Hey, I'm not a purist, I just like to get the job done, any way that works :-) Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RealPlayer audio streams
Hans Ekbrand wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 02:02:07PM +0930, Mike Hore wrote: [...] OK, it's good news. Everything's working! I can go to a web site with a RealPlayer stream, open it and specify kplayer as the helper app, and it plays. So it seems that any needed powerpc codecs must have been installed by the installation process from www.debian-multimedia-org. Thanks for reporting back. It's good to know that my recommendation works. Yes, and I notice it's using various different codecs for the different sites I've checked. Certainly real and mp3 and Windows Media (not sure those 2 are different) but whatever, any site I've checked has worked. Thanks! Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RealPlayer audio streams
Hi Hans, On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:32:05AM +0930, Mike Hore wrote: [...] Now, never satisfied, I want to get streaming audio from sites that only provide RealPlayer or WMP formats! These are proprietary, and so not supported by Helix. Helix kindly tells me I need to download RealPlayer 11, but of course when I look there I find that while Linux packages are available in RPM or DEB formats, it's x86 only (as usual). Perhaps mplayer from the repository http://www.debian-multimedia.org can handle those? Yes, maybe, and I had a look there the other day, but I'm too much of a Linux newbie to be able to figure out what everything means. I don't really want to tackle compiling from source, and whether or not I do that, I don't really know where to go with it, like how to run it or make it work with Helix or whatever. I need some simple instructions and I don't seem to be able to find them anywhere. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RealPlayer audio streams
Hans Ekbrand wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 02:24:34PM +0100, Bin Zhang wrote: You can use mplayer and mozilla-mplayer (debian packages). You need realmedia codecs. Two options for installing the codecs: - run /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/binary_codecs.sh install - install Linux PPC 20071007 codecs in your /usr/lib/codecs from http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html You'll need installing the package libstdc++.so.5. Both of these, are not-the-debian-way. Why not just apt-get from www.debian-multimedia.org? Hi Hans and Bin, Last night I added the path to debian-multimedia in my /etc/apt/sources.list, then used Synaptic rather than apt-get but this should be equivalent. So now I've installed mplayer and also kplayer which looks interesting (I'm running KDE). I won't have time to try them out till later today but I'll let you know how I go. I guess I'll find out if I need the codecs and follow Bin's advice to get them if it turns out I need them. Thanks for the help! Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RealPlayer audio streams
I wrote: Hi Hans and Bin, Last night I added the path to debian-multimedia in my /etc/apt/sources.list, then used Synaptic rather than apt-get but this should be equivalent. So now I've installed mplayer and also kplayer which looks interesting (I'm running KDE). I won't have time to try them out till later today but I'll let you know how I go. I guess I'll find out if I need the codecs and follow Bin's advice to get them if it turns out I need them. Thanks for the help! OK, it's good news. Everything's working! I can go to a web site with a RealPlayer stream, open it and specify kplayer as the helper app, and it plays. So it seems that any needed powerpc codecs must have been installed by the installation process from www.debian-multimedia-org. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
MTA revisited, and another question
Mike Hore wrote: Cyril Brulebois wrote: Risto Suominen risto.suomi...@gmail.com (14/10/2008): I'm guessing that it is the mail transfer agent and that the delay has something to do with network access. I've seen this often on systems that aren't connected. That's not ppc-related. That's seen when one has no network connection. I suspect DNS lookup attempts, that time out. Thanks for all the replies -- I've had DNS problems in the past and had to tweak my /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf file, so I'll double check it didn't get replaced by the upgrade to Lenny. This didn't fix the problem of the very slow startup, but something between then and now has fixed it -- I've been regularly updating with the Synaptic Package Manager so something in lenny has got fixed :-) Now my next question is another newbie question -- I want to try to run the Helix audio player, so I've downloaded the latest PPC build hxplay-11.1.1.1404-linux-powerpc64 The problem is, I don't really know what to do next. I've uncompressed it into a directory helix in my home directory, and there's a whole lot of stuff there including a Bin directory with an executable file called setup that I guess I'm supposed to run, but I can't run it from there, and don't know either where to put it or how to change my paths or whatever it is so I can run it from the command line. Sorry for asking such basic questions... Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RealPlayer audio streams
Mike Hore wrote: Now my next question is another newbie question -- I want to try to run the Helix audio player, so I've downloaded the latest PPC build hxplay-11.1.1.1404-linux-powerpc64 The problem is, I don't really know what to do next. I've uncompressed it into a directory helix in my home directory, and there's a whole lot of stuff there including a Bin directory with an executable file called setup that I guess I'm supposed to run, but I can't run it from there, and don't know either where to put it or how to change my paths or whatever it is so I can run it from the command line. Sorry for asking such basic questions... OK, I got it figured out. I checked my $PATH variable and found I needed to either move the helix stuff into e.g. /usr/bin, or else on the command line just type the complete path to the setup prog. This worked, and I got Helix installed. Now, never satisfied, I want to get streaming audio from sites that only provide RealPlayer or WMP formats! These are proprietary, and so not supported by Helix. Helix kindly tells me I need to download RealPlayer 11, but of course when I look there I find that while Linux packages are available in RPM or DEB formats, it's x86 only (as usual). Any suggestions? (Apart from switching to Intel, which I won't ever ever do) Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Horemike_h...@aapt.net.au --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#469030: debian ppc64 not booting after install
]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:2 -b /dev/sda2 -C yaboot.conf ! [EMAIL PROTECTED]:2 means sda, partition #2, which is boot. To be adapted according to your machine You should have NO error messages. Except for the nvram setenv writing. No harm. Quit with CTRL-D, then quit the rescue installer and reboot. You're done. Have fun using Debian. Christophe Lecerf -- --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RealPlayer or equivalent for PPC?
Hi folks, Here I am again with the usual sort of question. Thanks to all for help on something that could replace Flash Player -- now I'm after something to play streaming audio content. I'm not interested in video (yet). RealPlayer seems to be available for the usual Windoze/MacOSX/Linux-Intel. The usual story. I looked at the Helix site, but there doesn't seem to be any PowerPC activity that I could find. Any ideas? TIA, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RealPlayer or equivalent for PPC?
José JORGE wrote: A Sunday 19 October 2008 17:44:22, Amit Uttamchandani escreveu: On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:09:10 +0930 Mike Hore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Install mplayer and mozilla-mplayer. It plays just about everything. I can even watch quicktime movies from apple's website. This is enough for Real Audio streams. But (unfortunately?) Real Video playing is still not avaliable without real codecs. I suppose this format will just disappear before any open-source developper gets any spec for it. Thanks José and others, that's fine, I'll get hold of mplayer and mozilla-mplayer. I'm not interested in video at all at the moment so that's not a problem Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MTA?
Hi again folks, Hi everybody, Many thanks!! Everything's now working. The only odd thing I've noticed with Lenny is that on bootup, the message Starting MTA appears, then nothing happens for about a minute. Does anybody know what's going on? MTA may mean mail transfer agent but I'm not sure. I do know it's where Charlie got lost in the Kingston Trio's song many years ago... certainly the boot process seems to get lost. This may be a Lenny thing rather than PPC, but I'll try here first anyhow. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MTA?
Cyril Brulebois wrote: Risto Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (14/10/2008): I'm guessing that it is the mail transfer agent and that the delay has something to do with network access. I've seen this often on systems that aren't connected. That's not ppc-related. That's seen when one has no network connection. I suspect DNS lookup attempts, that time out. Thanks for all the replies -- I've had DNS problems in the past and had to tweak my /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf file, so I'll double check it didn't get replaced by the upgrade to Lenny. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe flash player replacement?
Hi everybody, Many thanks!! Everything's now working. I think the command is: apt-get install swfdec-mozilla Yes, that did the trick. I took all last night to upgrade to Lenny (I've got lots of stuff installed) and ran this line this morning. Now the web site opens fine and the videos show up. Thanks to all for your help!! Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adobe flash player replacement?
Hi folks, I've come back here after 12 months away doing other non-Debian things. Anyway I did a net-install of Etch on my trusty G5 iMac and everything went very smoothly. I remembered to avoid some of the pitfalls I'd run into before, and looked in the archives both here and at Ubuntu for my messages from last year to see what I did then -- e.g. with my ISP it was important to disable ipv6. Anyway, I'm going to have a few questions so here's the first one. I went to the web site of a certain very large European airospace company, and it said I needed Adobe flash player to access the content. With a button taking me to the Adobe site so I could download it. Well of course there are versions for Windows, MacOSX Intel, MacOSX PowerPC, and Linux Intel. Naturally, no Linux PowerPC. Does anybody know of a flash player raplacement I can download that will let me access the content? I obviously should check out Gnash -- will that do it? I probably don't need all the bells and whistles - just enough to let me access the content of web sites like the one I mentioned. TIA, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe flash player replacement?
Mauro Lizaur wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008, Mike Hore wrote: Well of course there are versions for Windows, MacOSX Intel, MacOSX PowerPC, and Linux Intel. Naturally, no Linux PowerPC. Does anybody know of a flash player raplacement I can download that will let me access the content? I obviously should check out Gnash -- will that do it? I probably don't need all the bells and whistles - just enough to let me access the content of web sites like the one I mentioned. Gnash doesn't work very well (at least for me, it didn't). May be you could try using swfdec which works pretty decent, also renders youtube's player almost 100% correct. Thanks Mauro, I'll give that a try and let the list know how it goes. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe flash player replacement?
I wrote: Mauro Lizaur wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008, Mike Hore wrote: Well of course there are versions for Windows, MacOSX Intel, MacOSX PowerPC, and Linux Intel. Naturally, no Linux PowerPC. Does anybody know of a flash player raplacement I can download that will let me access the content? I obviously should check out Gnash -- will that do it? I probably don't need all the bells and whistles - just enough to let me access the content of web sites like the one I mentioned. Gnash doesn't work very well (at least for me, it didn't). May be you could try using swfdec which works pretty decent, also renders youtube's player almost 100% correct. Thanks Mauro, I'll give that a try and let the list know how it goes. Sorry, I'm a bit of a Linux newbie -- I downloaded the tar.gz file and it decompressed into /tmp -- I can't work out how to install it from there. The installation instructions talked about installing from source which isn't really where I want to go. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe flash player replacement?
Sorry, I'm a bit of a Linux newbie -- I downloaded the tar.gz file and it decompressed into /tmp -- I can't work out how to install it from there. The installation instructions talked about installing from source which isn't really where I want to go. I meant to add: into Iceweasel. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please unban S. Luther from debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org
I wrote: Hi Julien, Mike Hore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes -- I've only been reading the list for 6 months or so and to me this action looks quite arbitrary and extreme -- IMHO of course -- some background would be very welcome. List regulars say things like we all know and it's obvious -- but to me at least it isn't. Read the archives for debian-project, debian-vote and debian-devel for the past 18 months. Then it'll be obvious for you too. OK, though that will obviously take a bit of time. I won't comment further until I've taken that time. OK, thanks Julien for pointing me to the archives -- I took most of yesterday afternoon to go through them and now what happened is indeed pretty obvious to me. I can now clearly see that Sven has been treated very unfairly. Several have asked me privately to post a summary, which I'll attempt -- but I realize this is annoying to some, so I REALLY want this to be my last word on the subject of the past history. I'm not going to participate in a debate on it -- the archives are there for all to read. This is just my take on what I've read there, coming as a complete outsider. Also my memory might be faulty -- I wasn't expecting to do a summary so I didn't take notes. Some will probably want to take issue with me -- that's fine, but do it off-list please, and I may not always have time to respond. I really don't want to have to go into it again. OK, here we go. About 18 months ago Sven had a severe personal crisis -- his mother had terminal cancer and had to be relocated urgently from El Salvador to France. Sven had to organize this himself. She died soon after. Sven also became a father again around that time. With all this going on, Sven understandably asked to take a break from the d-i team. There was apparently some personal animosity already. Anyway somebody took Sven's request as a resignation, and his svn commit access to the d-i repository was revoked (for the more non-technical, he couldn't directly contribute changes to the official installer any more). Maybe this was a misunderstanding, maybe not. It certainly wasn't what Sven had intended. Whatever, it was surely a terrible situation to arise since Sven was *the* powerpc d-i team member. Once Sven was back in circulation, he asked to have this situation remedied. The DPL of the time, Anthony Towns, accepted that it might have been a misunderstanding, and apparently tried hard to resolve the issue, but concluded that the rest of the d-i team were unwilling to have Sven's access reinstated, so it wouldn't be. (By this stage I was appalled, and could hardly believe what I was reading!) Most of the subsequent trouble seems to have escalated from there. Sven's major crime has been to send numerous messages about the issue, and generally do it on the mailing lists since he wants everything to be out in the open. This has irritated many who see all this sort of stuff as being off-topic. Flame wars occurred, and this led to Sven being banned from the lists. Was he unfairly singled out? It was his issue, yes, but to me the worst flames weren't his. Some said he kept bringing it up, but see my comment on this below. Even after all this had happened to him, he refused to do a fork, but looked for reconciliation. But that went nowhere. He was briefly reinstated to the lists around the beginning of the year, with some conditions attached. He also declared himself a candidate for DPL, as is his right, but this also inflamed the irritation and I think some saw it as breaking the conditions. He also accidentally posted a message he intended as private email (like we all do occasionally). Apparently for these reasons he was banned again, and still is. (end of summary) I find it incredible that people can't cut a bit of slack for someone like Sven. He is *the* developer of the powerpc installer, which is a magnificent piece of work. I've tried several others in the last couple of years, and the debian one was a dream. I had all sorts of problems with Ubuntu, and even when I got it installed, the fans on my G5 ran at full speed, and even though a fix had been posted for 12 months it hadn't made it into the installer. Then Ubuntu dropped the powerpc so I tried Debian, and it was just so different. Now I know it was due to Sven. We NEED people like that!! He's been accused repeatedly of whining, but all I can see is that he's been stymied in his attempts to work on the installer by being blocked from the d-i project. So the subject naturally keeps coming up. Maybe he talks a bit much about it, but most of what he says is that he's looking for a way back. To me that's not whining. Anyway that's all I want to comment on, about the past. What about the future? I've got a reply from one of the listmasters that the ban won't be removed, so it looks like this is final, and there's no way back. Do we have any other powerpc developer who could do the installer? I doubt
Re: Please unban S. Luther from debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org
Hi Julien, Mike Hore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes -- I've only been reading the list for 6 months or so and to me this action looks quite arbitrary and extreme -- IMHO of course -- some background would be very welcome. List regulars say things like we all know and it's obvious -- but to me at least it isn't. Read the archives for debian-project, debian-vote and debian-devel for the past 18 months. Then it'll be obvious for you too. OK, though that will obviously take a bit of time. I won't comment further until I've taken that time. For others' information, Sven has sent me a long description of what happened from his side, and he wants it to be available to anyone. He suggested I forward it to the list, but I think it might be OK if I just forward it by private email to anyone who asks me. I'm happy to do this. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please unban S. Luther from debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org
Jimmy Johnson wrote: Don Armstrong wrote: On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Jimmy Johnson wrote: So if someone would let us understand why Sven was banned in the first place, then may be this whole sad affair can be brought to some kind of closure. http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2007/08/msg00115.html is the warning which was sent from listmaster to Sven; for failing to heed it the ban was reinstated. Don, that post has nothing to do with why Sven was banned in the first place, I'm talking about last year. As far as I know Debian PPC Users are being hurt by the decision to ban Sven and I want to know why? Please. Yes -- I've only been reading the list for 6 months or so and to me this action looks quite arbitrary and extreme -- IMHO of course -- some background would be very welcome. List regulars say things like we all know and it's obvious -- but to me at least it isn't. If you wish to complain about the ban, e-mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the appropriate response, not mailing this list. I've done that, yesterday, but received no reply as yet. I'm not complaining about the ban, I want to know why Sven has been banned and I'm not talking about him being banned from this list, it seems to me that Sven has been banned as a Developer too and I want to know why? Yes! Please tell us. ... And Jörg Sommer wrote: Hi David, David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 20:53 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: nobody retracted his support to his comeback How are you so sure about that? More people and DDs privately asked listmasters to place the ban again, than the users asking for the ban to be lifted. Can you give names and numbers? Telling us there where some guys they asked for reinstate the ban of Sven is not very reviewable. Why such decision is not made public? I don't recall anybody asking for an email poll. I think action as drastic as this, directed to somebody whose technical competence has never been questioned, needs some sort of public voting process on the list. We're not talking about a net kook here. The vast majority of list messages I read asked for the ban to be lifted, and when Sven was back there were a few messages asking him to tone it down a bit -- but I don't remember any asking for the ban to be reinstated. To me Sven always appeared polite and never resorted to extreme language, and only made reference to past events when it was relevant to his technical contributions -- though of course he was hurt by what had happened (which I'm still wanting to know about). So if somebody could give us newcomers a bit more information, we'd be very grateful -- and I for one don't want to have to keep asking. Like everyone I want to get on with technical stuff and don't really want to have to post any more on this topic. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: localhost kernel: ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
Charles Plessy wrote: Le Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:56:00PM -0300, Rogério Brito a écrit : Hi, Charles. On Aug 28 2007, Charles Plessy wrote: I have rebooted on an Ubuntu live CD, and after mounting the partition, I get the following error while browsing the directory tree: Just for curiosity, which Ubuntu CD did you use? Any gusty image? It only gives me psychedelic colors when I boot boot them. I am using Ubuntu 6.10 live for PPC. Unfortunately, the Debian-live Etch CD does not work (maybe because I have a G5) Hi Charles, just answering this bit, I seem to have a similar system to you, with a G5 iMac also running OSX Tiger on the one drive. I was able to install Etch using a daily build netinstall a few months ago -- everything ran beautifully. So I doubt the problem is because you have a G5. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: Sven Luther
Hi folks, I'm fairly new to Debian and this list, and I don't even know what all this is about, but I'm involved in various other mailing lists which sometimes have quite heated discussion, so let me just make a couple of points: ** If a list is moderated, the usual procedure is to stop discussion of a particular controversial topic. An individual is only blocked for spamming or the like. This list isn't moderated so subject-level blocking wasn't available, still, the blocking of an individual seems *extremely* drastic. ** The ban announcement http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/05/msg00234.html makes it clear that others besides Sven were involved, and it was only intended to be temporary till tempers cooled. It's been nearly 2 months now. So IMHO the ban (if it ever should have been applied) should end ASAP. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Firefox and Thunderbird for PowerPC?
Hi folks, Does anyone have links to Firefox and/or Thunderbird for Debian on PowerPC? I was running them happily a month or so ago when I was still using Ubuntu, so I know they exist, but now I can't find where they are! The Mozilla site only seems to know about Linux on Intel. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Netinstall grief on iMac G5
Hi folks, I downloaded the netinstall iso image, burned a CD, but I can't boot off it. Am I supposed to do something else? I already have yaboot installed, so on boot I enter c for a CD boot. Then I'm getting what appears to be a memory exception, then it lands me back in Open Firmware asking me to release the keys, but it doesn't respond to the keyboard or anything, and I have to do a hard reboot. Cheers, Mike. --- Mike Hore[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
