Re: Correct Linux Kernel for Sonnet G4 in PowerMac 7500 with Sarge?
--- Ralf Saalmüller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello at Debian, however, one old 8500 i had to turn up the bright and contrast all the way and then could barely still see the console at night with all the lights out. however(2) once Xwindows started it was fine. I noticed that this alters with the monitor settings of MacOS. It might help to change the color depth in MacOS. well it helps the console, but because of the framebuffer driver you need for Xwindow does not allow mode change. if you want a higher res you need to boot into that. who can stand 800x600 anymore ? its why i suggest to the OP he needs a video card. of course i also said one thing at a time. personally no, i haven't tried an upgrade in mine yet. i have got this one for free and it is sitting while i gradually accumulate spare parts and cash. the main thing that worries me is that the memory is slow. i tested it goes at 25MB/s. that is something you cannot upgrade. also there is some story out there that sonnet upgrades take away power from pci cards ? if you want video and a hd controller and / or usb or faster ethernet. plus the 8500 is known as the puzzle box as far as adding RAM, plus the physical card of the old L2 external cache needs removing when you install g3 or g4 upgrades so i hear. #8776; I used a 8500 PMac with kernel 2.4 and a sonnet 450MHz G3 with 512kb L2 cache. A kernel 2.6 has worked but I missed the video-in support. One or two things might go wrong. Out-of-the-box sarge 2.6 kernel might have things compiled in that don't work on OldWorld Macs. Compile your own or use a special one from ppckernels.org. The other thing are l2/l3 caches. I had a PowerMac 9500 that could not cold boot the 400MHz G3 card but it does with a restart. I think that might be a cache problem. I had run the 8500 Mac for quit some time without the l2 cache enabled. I found out later how to set it. It's about an upgrade g3 but it might get you on the track: http:// www.cpu.lu/~mlan/linux/dev/g3upgrade.html This might sound strange, but I set up the OW Macs with a woody installer. The old one I have does install debian stable ;-) This always worked in case of a problem with the installer. I think etch has a kernel 2.4. That might be another point to start and build a kernel 2.6 that works, before switching to sarge. I was really hoping ot hear from one of the people who assured me they had used Sonnet cards with Debian; if you're out there (John Schmidt, Peter Rooney, Ralf Saalmüller), please give a shout-out. YES I USE A SONNET G3 CARD WITH DEBIAN. Is that shout-out loud enough? ;-) Hop you get it somehow, Ralf -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHE+petKcsE7vsbMERAlsLAJ0YqG9/ImjoJQ2jkYfcRqiXn4trLQCglxca Et9/CmYwRnpmOuK4qlRZ5h0= =Pg5B -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Correct Linux Kernel for Sonnet G4 in PowerMac 7500 with Sarge?
Dear Jeffrey, OK, had some time to think back a little bit. Here goes: (1) Check that the BootX Options dialogue has the L2 cache setting turned off. Grabbing the wrong cache settings means the CPU will try to use your microphone as memory (or maybe your clock). There's a handy MacOS utility called Grab G3 Cache Settings that you can use to properly set and enable the cache later. (2) I used 2.4.27 kernels primarily, and played a bit with the benh source tree. However, I have used 2.6.18 and it works just as well. (3) What are your ears telling you about the boot process? I know, I know, assuming you have working ears might be a leap, but I'm not meaning to offend or upset, just help. (4) What the previous owner did was totally standard, and the optional root partition isn't optional. You need a copy of the kernel on the MacOS partition, and another on the linux partition, and they have to be duplicates. If I recall correctly, the ramdisk has a 2.4 kernel, so trying to do both `Use the RAMdisk ` and ` use my specified kernel ' could be a contradiction. When you install a new kernel in oldworld linux, you have to remember put a copy of it on the MacOS parttion in System\ Folder:Linux\ Kernels. Hoping that makes things better, Peter Rooney Jeffrey Rolland wrote: On 9 Oct 2007 at 17:18, brian wrote: --- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, all! I just upgraded my old Power Macintosh 7500 to have a Sonnet Crescendo/PCI G4 Processor Upgrade Card. The Mac was a dual boot Mac OS 8.6 / Debian Linux Sarge box. #8776; The problem is Debian won't boot at all; I just get a black screen. I have BootX set up to load a 2.6.8 kernel (overwrote the exact name of the kernel); I'm guessing that the kernel is the problem. It probably only works for a 601 processor. have you tried the default kernel from sarge ??? that is on the sarge install cd. there were 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. Sorry it took so long to get back to you; I needed to buy a new mouse, and it just came today. Yes, I tried the default kernels from Sarge. The guy who helped me set up Sarge had configured BootX to boot from a ramdisk/kernel on the Mac OS partition and gave BootX an optional parameter for root's ]\parition; I have no idea if this is standard. I know Yellow Dog 3.x had you configure BootX to load the kernel on root's parition. otherwise, I would suggest ydl2.0 for a rescue disk. (the entire distro fit on 1 cd the last time it did and the mac hardware support is very good) i have not tried your particular configuration but i have had black screen on a couple older machines and this was part of my procedure and i did get etch going eventually. however, one old 8500 i had to turn up the bright and contrast all the way and then could barely still see the console at night with all the lights out. however(2) once Xwindows started it was fine. The monitor has the power light begin flashing, so I don't think that the problem is waiting for X-Windows to start; I think the kernel isn't loading. assuming that this card is compatible with linux (i have no idea) you could really use a decent video card and ide controller (or something) with the g4 ... you may have better luck with osX, xpostfacto, and fink (debian ports to osX), or opendarwin or something. i have a bunch of old macs but even without upgrade cards i would say you have to be really determined to work on them. it has rewards but it is hard work. also takes a lot of patience you cannot be in so much of a hurry upgrading three things at once ! (make that 6 things since 601 to g4 is three already) brian I was really hoping ot hear from one of the people who assured me they had used Sonnet cards with Debian; if you're out there (John Schmidt, Peter Rooney, Ralf Saalmüller), please give a shout-out. I had the guy throw out the 601 processor, so going back temporarily isn't an option. I am having a devil of a time getting the Old World Mac booted to use the Etch Install CD. (I am really interested in upgrading to Etch. There is nothing on the Linux parition I care about saving.) Floppy booting doesn't work, probably because of the Sonnet Extension. Etch doesn't include Ramdisk/Kernel images to use with BootX. From my previous posting on 10/29/2006, it appears that people have had success booting into Sarge with a Sonnet card. So, if someone would post with a kernel that allows me to boot into Sarge with the Sonnet card and from where to download the kernel, I should be able to handle upgrading to Etch by myself at that point. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. Sincerely, -- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Jeffrey Rolland wrote: On 9 Oct 2007 at 17:18, brian wrote: --- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, all! I just upgraded my old Power Macintosh 7500 to have a Sonnet
Re: Correct Linux Kernel for Sonnet G4 in PowerMac 7500 with Sarge?
On 9 Oct 2007 at 17:18, brian wrote: --- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, all! I just upgraded my old Power Macintosh 7500 to have a Sonnet Crescendo/PCI G4 Processor Upgrade Card. The Mac was a dual boot Mac OS 8.6 / Debian Linux Sarge box. #8776; The problem is Debian won't boot at all; I just get a black screen. I have BootX set up to load a 2.6.8 kernel (overwrote the exact name of the kernel); I'm guessing that the kernel is the problem. It probably only works for a 601 processor. have you tried the default kernel from sarge ??? that is on the sarge install cd. there were 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. Sorry it took so long to get back to you; I needed to buy a new mouse, and it just came today. Yes, I tried the default kernels from Sarge. The guy who helped me set up Sarge had configured BootX to boot from a ramdisk/kernel on the Mac OS partition and gave BootX an optional parameter for root's ]\parition; I have no idea if this is standard. I know Yellow Dog 3.x had you configure BootX to load the kernel on root's parition. otherwise, I would suggest ydl2.0 for a rescue disk. (the entire distro fit on 1 cd the last time it did and the mac hardware support is very good) i have not tried your particular configuration but i have had black screen on a couple older machines and this was part of my procedure and i did get etch going eventually. however, one old 8500 i had to turn up the bright and contrast all the way and then could barely still see the console at night with all the lights out. however(2) once Xwindows started it was fine. The monitor has the power light begin flashing, so I don't think that the problem is waiting for X-Windows to start; I think the kernel isn't loading. assuming that this card is compatible with linux (i have no idea) you could really use a decent video card and ide controller (or something) with the g4 ... you may have better luck with osX, xpostfacto, and fink (debian ports to osX), or opendarwin or something. i have a bunch of old macs but even without upgrade cards i would say you have to be really determined to work on them. it has rewards but it is hard work. also takes a lot of patience you cannot be in so much of a hurry upgrading three things at once ! (make that 6 things since 601 to g4 is three already) brian I was really hoping ot hear from one of the people who assured me they had used Sonnet cards with Debian; if you're out there (John Schmidt, Peter Rooney, Ralf Saalmüller), please give a shout-out. I had the guy throw out the 601 processor, so going back temporarily isn't an option. I am having a devil of a time getting the Old World Mac booted to use the Etch Install CD. (I am really interested in upgrading to Etch. There is nothing on the Linux parition I care about saving.) Floppy booting doesn't work, probably because of the Sonnet Extension. Etch doesn't include Ramdisk/Kernel images to use with BootX. From my previous posting on 10/29/2006, it appears that people have had success booting into Sarge with a Sonnet card. So, if someone would post with a kernel that allows me to boot into Sarge with the Sonnet card and from where to download the kernel, I should be able to handle upgrading to Etch by myself at that point. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. Sincerely, -- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip -- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] The weed of crime bears bitter fruit; crime does NOT pay! The Shadow knows! - _The Shadow_
Re: Correct Linux Kernel for Sonnet G4 in PowerMac 7500 with Sarge?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello at Debian, however, one old 8500 i had to turn up the bright and contrast all the way and then could barely still see the console at night with all the lights out. however(2) once Xwindows started it was fine. I noticed that this alters with the monitor settings of MacOS. It might help to change the color depth in MacOS. The monitor has the power light begin flashing, so I don't think that the problem is waiting for X-Windows to start; I think the kernel isn't loading. I used a 8500 PMac with kernel 2.4 and a sonnet 450MHz G3 with 512kb L2 cache. A kernel 2.6 has worked but I missed the video-in support. One or two things might go wrong. Out-of-the-box sarge 2.6 kernel might have things compiled in that don't work on OldWorld Macs. Compile your own or use a special one from ppckernels.org. The other thing are l2/l3 caches. I had a PowerMac 9500 that could not cold boot the 400MHz G3 card but it does with a restart. I think that might be a cache problem. I had run the 8500 Mac for quit some time without the l2 cache enabled. I found out later how to set it. It's about an upgrade g3 but it might get you on the track: http:// www.cpu.lu/~mlan/linux/dev/g3upgrade.html This might sound strange, but I set up the OW Macs with a woody installer. The old one I have does install debian stable ;-) This always worked in case of a problem with the installer. I think etch has a kernel 2.4. That might be another point to start and build a kernel 2.6 that works, before switching to sarge. I was really hoping ot hear from one of the people who assured me they had used Sonnet cards with Debian; if you're out there (John Schmidt, Peter Rooney, Ralf Saalmüller), please give a shout-out. YES I USE A SONNET G3 CARD WITH DEBIAN. Is that shout-out loud enough? ;-) Hop you get it somehow, Ralf -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHE+petKcsE7vsbMERAlsLAJ0YqG9/ImjoJQ2jkYfcRqiXn4trLQCglxca Et9/CmYwRnpmOuK4qlRZ5h0= =Pg5B -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Kernel for Sonnet in a 7500 with Sarge?Re: Correct Linux Kernel for Sonnet G4 in PowerMac 7500 with Sarge?
Dear Jeffrey, Whoah! that machine! Patience while i dig it out. Someone on #debian-powerpc (simonrvn?) quipped that linux on oldworld hardware was like taking a continuous I.Q. test. I may be able to answer more questions later. peter Jeffrey Rolland wrote: Yes, I tried the default kernels from Sarge. The guy who helped me set up Sarge had configured BootX to boot from a ramdisk/kernel on the Mac OS partition and gave BootX an optional parameter for root's ]\parition; I have no idea if this is standard. I know Yellow Dog 3.x had you configure BootX to load the kernel on root's parition. otherwise, I would suggest ydl2.0 for a rescue disk. (the entire distro fit on 1 cd the last time it did and the mac hardware support is very good) i have not tried your particular configuration but i have had black screen on a couple older machines and this was part of my procedure and i did get etch going eventually. however, one old 8500 i had to turn up the bright and contrast all the way and then could barely still see the console at night with all the lights out. however(2) once Xwindows started it was fine. The monitor has the power light begin flashing, so I don't think that the problem is waiting for X-Windows to start; I think the kernel isn't loading. [ snip ] I was really hoping ot hear from one of the people who assured me they had used Sonnet cards with Debian; if you're out there (John Schmidt, Peter Rooney, Ralf Saalmüller), please give a shout-out. I had the guy throw out the 601 processor, so going back temporarily isn't an option. I am having a devil of a time getting the Old World Mac booted to use the Etch Install CD. (I am really interested in upgrading to Etch. There is nothing on the Linux parition I care about saving.) Floppy booting doesn't work, probably because of the Sonnet Extension. Etch doesn't include Ramdisk/Kernel images to use with BootX. From my previous posting on 10/29/2006, it appears that people have had success booting into Sarge with a Sonnet card. So, if someone would post with a kernel that allows me to boot into Sarge with the Sonnet card and from where to download the kernel, I should be able to handle upgrading to Etch by myself at that point. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. Sincerely, -- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Jeffrey Rolland wrote: Yes, I tried the default kernels from Sarge. The guy who helped me set up Sarge had configured BootX to boot from a ramdisk/kernel on the Mac OS partition and gave BootX an optional parameter for root's ]\parition; I have no idea if this is standard. I know Yellow Dog 3.x had you configure BootX to load the kernel on root's parition. otherwise, I would suggest ydl2.0 for a rescue disk. (the entire distro fit on 1 cd the last time it did and the mac hardware support is very good) i have not tried your particular configuration but i have had black screen on a couple older machines and this was part of my procedure and i did get etch going eventually. however, one old 8500 i had to turn up the bright and contrast all the way and then could barely still see the console at night with all the lights out. however(2) once Xwindows started it was fine. The monitor has the power light begin flashing, so I don't think that the problem is waiting for X-Windows to start; I think the kernel isn't loading. [ snip ] I was really hoping ot hear from one of the people who assured me they had used Sonnet cards with Debian; if you're out there (John Schmidt, Peter Rooney, Ralf Saalmüller), please give a shout-out. I had the guy throw out the 601 processor, so going back temporarily isn't an option. I am having a devil of a time getting the Old World Mac booted to use the Etch Install CD. (I am really interested in upgrading to Etch. There is nothing on the Linux parition I care about saving.) Floppy booting doesn't work, probably because of the Sonnet Extension. Etch doesn't include Ramdisk/Kernel images to use with BootX. From my previous posting on 10/29/2006, it appears that people have had success booting into Sarge with a Sonnet card. So, if someone would post with a kernel that allows me to boot into Sarge with the Sonnet card and from where to download the kernel, I should be able to handle upgrading to Etch by myself at that point. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. Sincerely, -- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Jeffrey Rolland wrote: Yes, I tried the default kernels from Sarge. The guy who helped me set up Sarge had configured BootX to boot from a ramdisk/kernel on the Mac OS partition and gave BootX an optional parameter for root's ]\parition; I have no idea if this is standard. I know Yellow Dog 3.x had you configure BootX to load the kernel on root's parition. otherwise, I would
Re: Correct Linux Kernel for Sonnet G4 in PowerMac 7500 with Sarge?
--- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, all! I just upgraded my old Power Macintosh 7500 to have a Sonnet Crescendo/PCI G4 Processor Upgrade Card. The Mac was a dual boot Mac OS 8.6 / Debian Linux Sarge box. #8776; The problem is Debian won't boot at all; I just get a black screen. I have BootX set up to load a 2.6.8 kernel (overwrote the exact name of the kernel); I'm guessing that the kernel is the problem. It probably only works for a 601 processor. have you tried the default kernel from sarge ??? that is on the sarge install cd. there were 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. otherwise, I would suggest ydl2.0 for a rescue disk. (the entire distro fit on 1 cd the last time it did and the mac hardware support is very good) i have not tried your particular configuration but i have had black screen on a couple older machines and this was part of my procedure and i did get etch going eventually. however, one old 8500 i had to turn up the bright and contrast all the way and then could barely still see the console at night with all the lights out. however(2) once Xwindows started it was fine. assuming that this card is compatible with linux (i have no idea) you could really use a decent video card and ide controller (or something) with the g4 ... you may have better luck with osX, xpostfacto, and fink (debian ports to osX), or opendarwin or something. i have a bunch of old macs but even without upgrade cards i would say you have to be really determined to work on them. it has rewards but it is hard work. also takes a lot of patience you cannot be in so much of a hurry upgrading three things at once ! (make that 6 things since 601 to g4 is three already) brian I had the guy throw out the 601 processor, so going back temporarily isn't an option. I am having a devil of a time getting the Old World Mac booted to use the Etch Install CD. (I am really interested in upgrading to Etch. There is nothing on the Linux parition I care about saving.) Floppy booting doesn't work, probably because of the Sonnet Extension. Etch doesn't include Ramdisk/Kernel images to use with BootX. From my previous posting on 10/29/2006, it appears that people have had success booting into Sarge with a Sonnet card. So, if someone would post with a kernel that allows me to boot into Sarge with the Sonnet card and from where to download the kernel, I should be able to handle upgrading to Etch by myself at that point. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. Sincerely, -- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] The weed of crime bears bitter fruit; crime does NOT pay! The Shadow knows! - _The Shadow_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Correct Linux Kernel for Sonnet G4 in PowerMac 7500 with Sarge?
Hello, all! I just upgraded my old Power Macintosh 7500 to have a Sonnet Crescendo/PCI G4 Processor Upgrade Card. The Mac was a dual boot Mac OS 8.6 / Debian Linux Sarge box. The guy who installed the upgrade card had to run an installer off a floppy for Mac OS and there is a Sonnet Extension in the Extensions folder. Mac OS runs spiffy. The problem is Debian won't boot at all; I just get a black screen. I have BootX set up to load a 2.6.8 kernel (overwrote the exact name of the kernel); I'm guessing that the kernel is the problem. It probably only works for a 601 processor. I had the guy throw out the 601 processor, so going back temporarily isn't an option. I am having a devil of a time getting the Old World Mac booted to use the Etch Install CD. (I am really interested in upgrading to Etch. There is nothing on the Linux parition I care about saving.) Floppy booting doesn't work, probably because of the Sonnet Extension. Etch doesn't include Ramdisk/Kernel images to use with BootX. From my previous posting on 10/29/2006, it appears that people have had success booting into Sarge with a Sonnet card. So, if someone would post with a kernel that allows me to boot into Sarge with the Sonnet card and from where to download the kernel, I should be able to handle upgrading to Etch by myself at that point. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. Sincerely, -- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] The weed of crime bears bitter fruit; crime does NOT pay! The Shadow knows! - _The Shadow_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
