Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hello Claudia, On Wed, 2024-02-07 at 20:19 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > Now firmware R300_cp.bin, b43 and isight.fw is missing. Use this sources.list [1] and then install "firmware-amd-graphics". For the iSight camera, you can just download this file [2] and place it below /lib/firmware. For the b43 firmware, you need to install the b43-installer along with the b43-fwcutter. The latter is currently not built for ppc64, but I can do that manually later this week. Adrian > [1] https://people.debian.org/~glaubitz/sources.list > [2] https://github.com/ibvk/config/blob/master/bin/isight.fw -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 08:19:19PM +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote:
Hi all,
in the meantime I succeeded in installing Debian 12.0.0 on iMac G5 with radeon
graphic
card.
I used ISO-Image 2023-06-18, installed default with tasksel KDE plasma, LXDE
and LXQT.
I had to insert "radeon.agpmode=1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb.off nomodeset" in
grub
to get graphic mode.
Just for future references. On my iMac G5 I've the Nvidia GeForce and the
nouveau driver. I had to set "video=TV-1:d" to avoid continous error ("DDC
responded, but no EDID")
Now firmware R300_cp.bin, b43 and isight.fw is missing. I can not install this
firmware
from the indicated sources.
/etc/debian_version is telling me, it is trixie/sid, but 12.0.0 should be
bookworm stable.
Can I change /etc/debian_version to bookworm and change the
/etc/apt/sources.list to
bookworm? Should I download the missing firmware by hand and install it?
With LXDE I can work although it is rather slow.
I'm using i3 and the performance is fine. It might take a while to get used to
i3.
Firefox hangs, konqueror will not show
google. Are there any tricks to make that better?
I'm struggling as well in finding a decent browser for such an old hardware.
I've in the pipeline to try ArticFox (https://github.com/rmottola/Arctic-Fox)
A bit extreame perhaps. You could try `lynx` and friends.
Otherwise the iMac G5 is not usable.
Best regards
Claudia
--
Federico Vaga
Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi all, in the meantime I succeeded in installing Debian 12.0.0 on iMac G5 with radeon graphic card. I used ISO-Image 2023-06-18, installed default with tasksel KDE plasma, LXDE and LXQT. I had to insert "radeon.agpmode=1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb.off nomodeset" in grub to get graphic mode. Now firmware R300_cp.bin, b43 and isight.fw is missing. I can not install this firmware from the indicated sources. /etc/debian_version is telling me, it is trixie/sid, but 12.0.0 should be bookworm stable. Can I change /etc/debian_version to bookworm and change the /etc/apt/sources.list to bookworm? Should I download the missing firmware by hand and install it? With LXDE I can work although it is rather slow. Firefox hangs, konqueror will not show google. Are there any tricks to make that better? Otherwise the iMac G5 is not usable. Best regards Claudia
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 03:57:30PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 3:33 PM Claudia Neumann wrote: Can I boot from USB? I don't think you can boot from USB on G5's. Or I was not able to boot from a USB thumb drive when I installed Debian on my PowerMac G5. The Open Firmware would not allow it. I had to burn the CD or DVD. Actually yes, you can boot from USB on the iMac G5. Here it is the procedure: 0. prepare a USB key with the netinstall image using ``dd`` 1. hold ``Command + Option + O + F`` while booting until you get the OpenFirmware command line 2. type the following command ``boot usb/disk@:,\`` Replace with the USB port number you are using. On the iMac G5 they go from 0 (top) to 2 (bottom). Replace with the disk number assigned. This is usually 0 or 1. Replace with the full path to the grub bootloader. In practice, assuming that you have the USB key in the top USB port. ``` boot usb0/disk@1:,\boot\grub\powerpc.elf ``` How do you find this yourself? Using ``dev / ls`` you get the hardware layout (device tree). In there you will see a node under a PCI endpoint named ``disk@``. Remember type ``devalias``, and you will see that a ``usb`` name is mapped to the PCI endpoint you found before. -- Federico Vaga
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi all, now I could install debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 2023-05-28. But grub would not install. I can boot into grub. The partition is (ieee1275/hd,apple3) and I can find the kernel in /boot: config-6.2.0-9-powerpc64 vmlinux-6.1.0-9-powerpc64 initrd.img.old vmlinux.old vmlinux System.map-6.1.0-9-powerpc64 initrd.img initrd.img-6.1.0-9-powerpc64 now I am somehow lost. What should I set for root? set root=(ieee1275/hd.apple3) gives no error, but linux /boot/vmlinux-6.1.0-9-powerpc64 root=/dev/sda3 -> error: no server is specified Any hints? Claudia
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Mouse button during boot worked like a charm. Thanx Claudia Am Sonntag, 4. Februar 2024, 22:12:17 CET schrieb DistroHopper39B Business: > Hold down the mouse button during boot. If that doesn't work, boot to Open > Firmware (Command-Option-O-F) and type “eject cd” > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 4:10 PM Claudia Neumann > > wrote: > > Yes, I did boot from DVD. But how can I get the DVD, that will not boot, > > out of the drive? > > > > CU > > > > Claudia > > > > Am Sonntag, 4. Februar 2024, 21:57:30 CET schrieb Jeffrey Walton: > > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 3:33 PM Claudia Neumann > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi John, hi Frederico, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 31.1.2024. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mac G5 stops with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smp_core99_probe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smp_core99_bringup_done > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grub. No better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have the problem, that I don't get the DVD out of the drive. > > > > With my > > > > > > try of debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023 I partitioned > > > > the > > > > > > hard drive. So there is no bootable kernel on the hard drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I boot from USB? > > > > > > I don't think you can boot from USB on G5's. Or I was not able to boot > > > > > > from a USB thumb drive when I installed Debian on my PowerMac G5. The > > > > > > Open Firmware would not allow it. I had to burn the CD or DVD. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hold down the mouse button during boot. If that doesn't work, boot to Open Firmware (Command-Option-O-F) and type “eject cd” On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 4:10 PM Claudia Neumann wrote: > Yes, I did boot from DVD. But how can I get the DVD, that will not boot, > out of the drive? > > CU > > Claudia > > Am Sonntag, 4. Februar 2024, 21:57:30 CET schrieb Jeffrey Walton: > > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 3:33 PM Claudia Neumann > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi John, hi Frederico, > > > > > > > > I tried debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 31.1.2024. > > > > > > > > The Mac G5 stops with > > > > > > > > smp_core99_probe > > > > > > > > smp_core99_bringup_done > > > > > > > > I tried with > > > > > > > > radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > > > > > radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > > > > > in grub. No better. > > > > > > > > Now I have the problem, that I don't get the DVD out of the drive. > With my > > > > try of debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023 I partitioned > the > > > > hard drive. So there is no bootable kernel on the hard drive. > > > > > > > > Can I boot from USB? > > > > > > I don't think you can boot from USB on G5's. Or I was not able to boot > > > from a USB thumb drive when I installed Debian on my PowerMac G5. The > > > Open Firmware would not allow it. I had to burn the CD or DVD. > > > > > > Jeff > > >
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Yes, I did boot from DVD. But how can I get the DVD, that will not boot, out of the drive? CU Claudia Am Sonntag, 4. Februar 2024, 21:57:30 CET schrieb Jeffrey Walton: > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 3:33 PM Claudia Neumann > > wrote: > > Hi John, hi Frederico, > > > > I tried debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 31.1.2024. > > > > The Mac G5 stops with > > > > smp_core99_probe > > > > smp_core99_bringup_done > > > > I tried with > > > > radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > in grub. No better. > > > > Now I have the problem, that I don't get the DVD out of the drive. With my > > try of debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023 I partitioned the > > hard drive. So there is no bootable kernel on the hard drive. > > > > Can I boot from USB? > > I don't think you can boot from USB on G5's. Or I was not able to boot > from a USB thumb drive when I installed Debian on my PowerMac G5. The > Open Firmware would not allow it. I had to burn the CD or DVD. > > Jeff
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 3:33 PM Claudia Neumann wrote: > > Hi John, hi Frederico, > > I tried debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 31.1.2024. > > The Mac G5 stops with > > smp_core99_probe > > smp_core99_bringup_done > > I tried with > > radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > in grub. No better. > > Now I have the problem, that I don't get the DVD out of the drive. With my > try of debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023 I partitioned the > hard drive. So there is no bootable kernel on the hard drive. > > Can I boot from USB? I don't think you can boot from USB on G5's. Or I was not able to boot from a USB thumb drive when I installed Debian on my PowerMac G5. The Open Firmware would not allow it. I had to burn the CD or DVD. Jeff
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi John, hi Frederico, I tried debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 31.1.2024. The Mac G5 stops with smp_core99_probe smp_core99_bringup_done I tried with radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset in grub. No better. Now I have the problem, that I don't get the DVD out of the drive. With my try of debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023 I partitioned the hard drive. So there is no bootable kernel on the hard drive. Can I boot from USB? Any hints? Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 18:42:03 CET schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: > Hello Claudia, > > On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 17:59 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > > I choose > > debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso > > from 14.5.2023. > > > > I can start the installation, partitioning has succeeded. > > it installs busybox but hangs with: > > package zstd is not available. There is a reference from another package. > > The installation stopped. > > > > Any suggesttions? > > > > Should I choose another iso? > > I will create fresh images within the next hours. You can try these. > > I'll let you know once they are available. > > Adrian > > -- > .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > > : :' : Debian Developer > > `. `' Physicist > `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Great! Thanx Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 18:42:03 CET schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: > Hello Claudia, > > On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 17:59 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > > I choose > > debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso > > from 14.5.2023. > > > > I can start the installation, partitioning has succeeded. > > it installs busybox but hangs with: > > package zstd is not available. There is a reference from another package. > > The installation stopped. > > > > Any suggesttions? > > > > Should I choose another iso? > > I will create fresh images within the next hours. You can try these. > > I'll let you know once they are available. > > Adrian > > -- > .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > > : :' : Debian Developer > > `. `' Physicist > `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hello Claudia, On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 17:59 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > I choose > debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso > from 14.5.2023. > > I can start the installation, partitioning has succeeded. > it installs busybox but hangs with: > package zstd is not available. There is a reference from another package. > The installation stopped. > > Any suggesttions? > > Should I choose another iso? I will create fresh images within the next hours. You can try these. I'll let you know once they are available. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Adrian, I choose debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023. I can start the installation, partitioning has succeeded. it installs busybox but hangs with: package zstd is not available. There is a reference from another package. The installation stopped. Any suggesttions? Should I choose another iso? Regards Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 15:54:22 CET schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: > Hi Claudia, > > On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 15:39 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > > Hi all, hi Adrian, > > > > downloaded the image and burnt on DVD. Now the iMac starts from DVD but > > hangs with: smp_core99_probe > > smp_core99_bringup_done > > the ventilator is up high but nothing else happens. > > > > I have ATI Radeon X600 (Rev 380) 3E50 (PCIE) > > > > Any hints? > > If you have the time, please try any of the older images: > > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/ > > It might be a kernel bug in one of the recent kernel versions. > > Adrian > > -- > .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > > : :' : Debian Developer > > `. `' Physicist > `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Claudia, perhaps there is a misunderstanding. I'm trying Debian 12 ppc64 Big-Endian. My suggestion to you is to try the proposed fix from the fienixppc team. I report here what is mentioned in their article (I copy only what is of interest to you). ``` [...] the system shows only a black screen, a black screen with a cursor, or a garbled image: These issues are caused by driver configuration issues. Try entering the below boot parameters when you see the yaboot prompt (when booting up your system). Radeon GPU [...] If you have a Radeon GPU, try entering the following boot parameters (one at a time, must be entered EXACTLY as listed): "Linux radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset" "Linux radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset" ``` In other words, using grub, try to add to the command line paramenters "radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset" or "radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset" In my particular case, my iMac has an Nvidia card, therefore I tried another set of parameters. For me, it did not help. But you are using a different card with a different driver. It might be of help. On 2024-01-23 15:53, Claudia Neumann wrote: Hi Federico, if it didn't work for you, I would rather try with Debian. CU Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 15:05:06 CET schrieb Federico Vaga: Hi Claudia and all, this is a very interesting coincidence. I've started trying a couple of days a go to install Debian 12 on the same iMac. In my case, I'm booting the netinst image from USB but the kernel crashes somewhere. The screen is not refreshed after a few kernel messages, so I was not able to debug any further. On the web I've found this project https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/ and I their suggestion about a video driver misconfiguration and a possible solution. See https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/p/troubleshooting-of.html None of the options, helped me. But I did not try to investigate more since then. Perhaps you will have better luck :) On 2024-01-23 14:54, Claudia Neumann wrote: > Hi all, > I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 > MacRISC4 Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. > I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need > newer libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian > 13 on this iMac. > Is that possible? I tried > > debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso > but the iMac does not start from the DVD. > What can I do? > CU > Claudia -- Federico Vaga -- Federico Vaga http://www.federicovaga.it/
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Claudia, On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 15:39 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > Hi all, hi Adrian, > > downloaded the image and burnt on DVD. Now the iMac starts from DVD but hangs > with: > smp_core99_probe > smp_core99_bringup_done > the ventilator is up high but nothing else happens. > > I have ATI Radeon X600 (Rev 380) 3E50 (PCIE) > > Any hints? If you have the time, please try any of the older images: > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/ It might be a kernel bug in one of the recent kernel versions. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Federico, if it didn't work for you, I would rather try with Debian. CU Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 15:05:06 CET schrieb Federico Vaga: > Hi Claudia and all, > > this is a very interesting coincidence. I've started trying a couple of > days > a go to install Debian 12 on the same iMac. > > In my case, I'm booting the netinst image from USB but the kernel > crashes > somewhere. The screen is not refreshed after a few kernel messages, so I > was > not able to debug any further. > > On the web I've found this project https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/ and I > their > suggestion about a video driver misconfiguration and a possible > solution. > > See https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/p/troubleshooting-of.html > > None of the options, helped me. But I did not try to investigate more > since > then. Perhaps you will have better luck :) > > On 2024-01-23 14:54, Claudia Neumann wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 > > MacRISC4 Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. > > I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need > > newer libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian > > 13 on this iMac. > > Is that possible? I tried > > > > debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso > > but the iMac does not start from the DVD. > > What can I do? > > CU > > Claudia > > -- > Federico Vaga
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Claudia and all, this is a very interesting coincidence. I've started trying a couple of days a go to install Debian 12 on the same iMac. In my case, I'm booting the netinst image from USB but the kernel crashes somewhere. The screen is not refreshed after a few kernel messages, so I was not able to debug any further. On the web I've found this project https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/ and I their suggestion about a video driver misconfiguration and a possible solution. See https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/p/troubleshooting-of.html None of the options, helped me. But I did not try to investigate more since then. Perhaps you will have better luck :) On 2024-01-23 14:54, Claudia Neumann wrote: Hi all, I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 MacRISC4 Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need newer libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian 13 on this iMac. Is that possible? I tried debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso but the iMac does not start from the DVD. What can I do? CU Claudia -- Federico Vaga
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi all, hi Adrian, downloaded the image and burnt on DVD. Now the iMac starts from DVD but hangs with: smp_core99_probe smp_core99_bringup_done the ventilator is up high but nothing else happens. I have ATI Radeon X600 (Rev 380) 3E50 (PCIE) Any hints? Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 14:58:08 CET schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: > Hi Claudia, > > On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 14:54 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > > I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 > > MacRISC4 > > Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. > > > > I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need > > newer libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian 13 > > on this iMac. > This is a computer running in big-endian mode, so you need to install a > big-endian PowerPC distribution. > > > Is that possible? I tried > > debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso > > but the iMac does not start from the DVD. > > The ppc64el Debian port targets little-endian PowerPC, so it's not > compatible with your Mac. > > > What can I do? > > Please use this installation image: > > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2023-12-14/debian-12.0. > > 0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso > Adrian > > -- > .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > > : :' : Debian Developer > > `. `' Physicist > `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Claudia, On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 14:54 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 MacRISC4 > Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. > > I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need newer > libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian 13 on this > iMac. This is a computer running in big-endian mode, so you need to install a big-endian PowerPC distribution. > Is that possible? I tried > debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso > but the iMac does not start from the DVD. The ppc64el Debian port targets little-endian PowerPC, so it's not compatible with your Mac. > What can I do? Please use this installation image: > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2023-12-14/debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi all, I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 MacRISC4 Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need newer libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian 13 on this iMac. Is that possible? I tried debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso but the iMac does not start from the DVD. What can I do? CU Claudia
