Re: Install on OldWorld
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 06:41:45AM +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 08:37:13PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: So where are we? What about the miboot floppy images? Did we progress? I have several OldWorld waiting to be freed here. :-) It is clear that miboot and the official 2.6.12 kernel sources works fine together. And that it is possible to make a reasonable kernel fit on a floppy. I have created various miboot floppy images, but all with special purpose configurations (nfs-root, ide-hd root) and they seem to put the CPU in a very slow mode, at least on the performa 5400 on which I test them. The l2cr cache has been suggested as the problem here, but I haven't had the time to look into that yet. As for daily images, there seems to be successfully built images at: http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/ Yep, the problem, and this needs someone with more time than i have, would need to lock into it, is that Hey, neat, someone fixed the images builds, and they are no more of monstrous size, need to test them. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Install on OldWorld
So where are we? What about the miboot floppy images? Did we progress? I have several OldWorld waiting to be freed here. :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install on OldWorld
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 08:37:13PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: So where are we? What about the miboot floppy images? Did we progress? I have several OldWorld waiting to be freed here. :-) It is clear that miboot and the official 2.6.12 kernel sources works fine together. And that it is possible to make a reasonable kernel fit on a floppy. I have created various miboot floppy images, but all with special purpose configurations (nfs-root, ide-hd root) and they seem to put the CPU in a very slow mode, at least on the performa 5400 on which I test them. The l2cr cache has been suggested as the problem here, but I haven't had the time to look into that yet. As for daily images, there seems to be successfully built images at: http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/ -- Hans Ekbrand (http://sociologi.cjb.net) [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: 1024D/7050614E Fingerprint: 1408 C8D5 1E7D 4C9C C27E 014F 7C2C 872A 7050 614E Learn about secure email at http://www.gnupg.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Trying to install on oldworld powermac
On January 17, 2004 03:19 am, Brad Boyer wrote: same place as a PC (lower left), I have an alt/option key to the right of that and then a blank key to the right of that ... is the blank (3rd from left) key the command key? Yes. Most Mac keyboards have the bottom row as ctrl,alt/option,command,space, command,alt/option,ctrl. A command key usually has an Apple logo, the cloverleaf looking thing, or both. Thanks. MacOS is back, now to try and get a readable open firmware screen :-( -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux
Re: Trying to install on oldworld powermac
Hi Fraser, some pointers (if you haven't found them yet): I did get woody's installer up and running from BootX but I want to get rid of MacOS entirely. My understanding is that I should be able to use the Quik bootloader, bypassing the need for MacOS/BootX. Yes, quik should work fine when configured properly. Getting it right is the hard part. But have faith, I no longer have a Mac OS on my box :) Unfortunately it's not a G3. I strongly suggest not running quikconfig on your box without saving a copy of quik.conf first! Then have a look to see what quikconfig thinks is good for you, and change back if it doesn't work. OF and quik make a great Linux only bootlader for me. I was following the instructions at http://mfdh.ca/apple/debian_on_oldworld_mac.html and the system isn't booting from floppy. Now I have a few problems: Seems it will only boot the second time, or not at all?!?! Check out the footnotes at http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html#powermac - I can just make out that open firmware is onscreen when I boot but unfortunately I cannot read anything else. My monitor displays about 6 copies of openfirware screen in narrow vertical bands, there's some shake and it's too fuzzy to understand any of the output. That is not good, since the OF is the best place to find out what your video settings might be. Can you do a two box setup with another mac? If not, do you use the standard video card of the G3? Someone will probably know the right setting for that. - I can no longer get into MacOS, which I need to do to (easily) reprogram openfirmware The monitor is a 20 Mediascan 7A ... any ideas why openfirmware isn't displaying correctly? Likely that the OF defaults (e.g. after an reboot with option-control-p-r or boot into Mac OS) to some dev that isn't right for you. Could you use a different monitor and the original video interface of the G3 to test if you can see OF them? If yes, then dev / ls devalias and looking at the video nodes in OF with .properties may uncover the settings you need. Any help you can give me is greatly appreciated, not being able to clearly see openfirmware is the biggest issue right now, if I can get past that then I can hopefully figure out the rest. I found the apple tech notes 1061 1062 1004 on OF quite helpful to understand what the hell is going on. Christian Thanks! -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trying to install on oldworld powermac
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 11:11:13PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: - I can just make out that open firmware is onscreen when I boot but unfortunately I cannot read anything else. My monitor displays about 6 copies of openfirware screen in narrow vertical bands, there's some shake and it's too fuzzy to understand any of the output. It is most likely choosing a bad video mode. My 7600 used to do that all the time. There was a patch that made it better, but I'm not sure if I still have that laying around. So now another problem I have is that I don't know what is the Command key or what is the I/O key (or does that mean I O)? The I/O key is most likely is a reference to the power key. I've never seen it called that, but the description of the key-combo matches. I have a Control key in the same place as a PC (lower left), I have an alt/option key to the right of that and then a blank key to the right of that ... is the blank (3rd from left) key the command key? Yes. Most Mac keyboards have the bottom row as ctrl,alt/option,command,space, command,alt/option,ctrl. A command key usually has an Apple logo, the cloverleaf looking thing, or both. Note that Apply laptops are often missing the right hand versions, and have the fn key added on the left end. Elsewhere I've seen it mentioned that holding down C will make you boot from cdrom. I have a debian-installer beta2 for powerpc available but it doesn't seem to want to boot from that (I'm not sure that it even tries though). On old-world models, that's implemented in the Apple ROM, not OF. Because of this, once you change the boot-device it won't respond to the keys. Brad Boyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trying to install on oldworld powermac
On (16/01/04 23:11), Fraser Campbell wrote: I'm trying to install Debian (woody, sid or sarge) on a beige G3 powermac. I know next to nothing about the hardware and that's leading me into trouble. So much to learn ... I've been using Linux for almost 11 years, on PCs, Suns, Cobalts, embedded devices, etc. Now with a Mac in front of me I feel like an idiot ;-) I did get woody's installer up and running from BootX but I want to get rid of MacOS entirely. My understanding is that I should be able to use the Quik bootloader, bypassing the need for MacOS/BootX. Hi Fraser This may be doable but everything I've read suggests that it is not easy. I have just installed sid on a G3 using BootX and wanted to upgrade the kernel etc. I've researched and it would seem that the only person who's managed to get quik to boot on a G3 is Michel Lanners (there are some posts in the archive). If you crack it your notes will be welcomed by me and many others I suspect . Good luck Clive I was following the instructions at http://mfdh.ca/apple/debian_on_oldworld_mac.html and the system isn't booting from floppy. Now I have a few problems: - I can just make out that open firmware is onscreen when I boot but unfortunately I cannot read anything else. My monitor displays about 6 copies of openfirware screen in narrow vertical bands, there's some shake and it's too fuzzy to understand any of the output. - I can no longer get into MacOS, which I need to do to (easily) reprogram openfirmware The monitor is a 20 Mediascan 7A ... any ideas why openfirmware isn't displaying correctly? On the URL mentioned I see this paragraph: If you see only a black screen, your system doesn't like the output-device you've specified. In this case, force-reboot (Command-Control-I/O) and immediately zap the PRAM (Command-Option-P-R) for one chime's worth. Release the keys and MacOS will load; launch System Disk and start again with a different guess at the output-device setting. So now another problem I have is that I don't know what is the Command key or what is the I/O key (or does that mean I O)? I have a Control key in the same place as a PC (lower left), I have an alt/option key to the right of that and then a blank key to the right of that ... is the blank (3rd from left) key the command key? Elsewhere I've seen it mentioned that holding down C will make you boot from cdrom. I have a debian-installer beta2 for powerpc available but it doesn't seem to want to boot from that (I'm not sure that it even tries though). Any help you can give me is greatly appreciated, not being able to clearly see openfirmware is the biggest issue right now, if I can get past that then I can hopefully figure out the rest. Thanks! -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.clivemenzies.co.uk strategies for business
Re: Trying to install on oldworld powermac
Hi, - I can just make out that open firmware is onscreen when I boot but unfortunately I cannot read anything else. My monitor displays about 6 copies of openfirware screen in narrow vertical bands, there's some shake and it's too fuzzy to understand any of the output. No ideas for this one... are you using the on-board video (RageII/Rage Pro), or a third party PCI card ? In the latter case, the card should be mac-specific, otherwise OF might have troubles dealing with it. So now another problem I have is that I don't know what is the Command key or what is the I/O key (or does that mean I O)? I have a Control key in the same place as a PC (lower left), I have an alt/option key to the right of that and then a blank key to the right of that ... is the blank (3rd from left) key the command key? As others have said , the reboot sequence is Ctrl-Apple-Power, and the PRAM zapping one is Apple-Alt-P-R Any help you can give me is greatly appreciated, not being able to clearly see openfirmware is the biggest issue right now, if I can get past that then I can hopefully figure out the rest. If you can get a viable prompt, check your OF version : there are two revisions of the Beige G3, and the settings are quite different Simon -- Simon Vallet Due to massive spam, the address shown in the From: header only accepts mail from Debian hosts. If you wish to mail me privately, just use the 'user' local part.
Trying to install on oldworld powermac
Hi, I'm trying to install Debian (woody, sid or sarge) on a beige G3 powermac. I know next to nothing about the hardware and that's leading me into trouble. So much to learn ... I've been using Linux for almost 11 years, on PCs, Suns, Cobalts, embedded devices, etc. Now with a Mac in front of me I feel like an idiot ;-) I did get woody's installer up and running from BootX but I want to get rid of MacOS entirely. My understanding is that I should be able to use the Quik bootloader, bypassing the need for MacOS/BootX. I was following the instructions at http://mfdh.ca/apple/debian_on_oldworld_mac.html and the system isn't booting from floppy. Now I have a few problems: - I can just make out that open firmware is onscreen when I boot but unfortunately I cannot read anything else. My monitor displays about 6 copies of openfirware screen in narrow vertical bands, there's some shake and it's too fuzzy to understand any of the output. - I can no longer get into MacOS, which I need to do to (easily) reprogram openfirmware The monitor is a 20 Mediascan 7A ... any ideas why openfirmware isn't displaying correctly? On the URL mentioned I see this paragraph: If you see only a black screen, your system doesn't like the output-device you've specified. In this case, force-reboot (Command-Control-I/O) and immediately zap the PRAM (Command-Option-P-R) for one chime's worth. Release the keys and MacOS will load; launch System Disk and start again with a different guess at the output-device setting. So now another problem I have is that I don't know what is the Command key or what is the I/O key (or does that mean I O)? I have a Control key in the same place as a PC (lower left), I have an alt/option key to the right of that and then a blank key to the right of that ... is the blank (3rd from left) key the command key? Elsewhere I've seen it mentioned that holding down C will make you boot from cdrom. I have a debian-installer beta2 for powerpc available but it doesn't seem to want to boot from that (I'm not sure that it even tries though). Any help you can give me is greatly appreciated, not being able to clearly see openfirmware is the biggest issue right now, if I can get past that then I can hopefully figure out the rest. Thanks! -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux
Re: Woody floppy install on OldWorld Mac
On 2 Dec, this message from Kevin van Haaren echoed through cyberspace: Hi, everyone. I'm trying to install Woody onto a Performa 6400/180 that runs MacOS 8.1 on an HFS-formatted disk. I'm using the disk images from ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/images-1.44/, with the exception of boot-floppy-hfs.img, which is corrupt, according to Disk Copy and ShrinkWrap (yes, I tried downloading it more than once, and didn't automatically post-process it :) I just downloaded and it works fine for me. The mirror you were downloading from may have had a corrupt version. Try downloading from ftp.debian.org or I've had good luck using canada's mirrors at ftp.ca.debian.org I take this back. The hfs image file doesn't work with Disk Copy under OS 9. It does work with Disk Copy under OS X. I have no idea why. Shot in the dark: don't MacOS disk images have a few bytes of some kind of header appended in front of them? Michel - Michel Lanners | Read Philosophy. Study Art. 23, Rue Paul Henkes|Ask Questions. Make Mistakes. L-1710 Luxembourg | email [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.cpu.lu/~mlan| Learn Always.
Re: Woody floppy install on OldWorld Mac
At 8:39 AM -0600 12/1/01, Kevin van Haaren wrote: At 2:31 AM -0500 12/1/01, Michael Dartt wrote: Hi, everyone. I'm trying to install Woody onto a Performa 6400/180 that runs MacOS 8.1 on an HFS-formatted disk. I'm using the disk images from ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/images-1.44/, with the exception of boot-floppy-hfs.img, which is corrupt, according to Disk Copy and ShrinkWrap (yes, I tried downloading it more than once, and didn't automatically post-process it :) I just downloaded and it works fine for me. The mirror you were downloading from may have had a corrupt version. Try downloading from ftp.debian.org or I've had good luck using canada's mirrors at ftp.ca.debian.org I take this back. The hfs image file doesn't work with Disk Copy under OS 9. It does work with Disk Copy under OS X. I have no idea why. Kevin
Re: Woody floppy install on OldWorld Mac
At 2:31 AM -0500 12/1/01, Michael Dartt wrote: Hi, everyone. I'm trying to install Woody onto a Performa 6400/180 that runs MacOS 8.1 on an HFS-formatted disk. I'm using the disk images from ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/images-1.44/, with the exception of boot-floppy-hfs.img, which is corrupt, according to Disk Copy and ShrinkWrap (yes, I tried downloading it more than once, and didn't automatically post-process it :) I just downloaded and it works fine for me. The mirror you were downloading from may have had a corrupt version. Try downloading from ftp.debian.org or I've had good luck using canada's mirrors at ftp.ca.debian.org However, I can't even get the machine to recognize the Rescue disk when I turn it on. It just spits it out. Holding down Option-Command-O-F doesn't get me to Open Firmware, either. I made sure I locked the disk image file after changing the creator type, and locked the disk after the image was written to it. Is there something I'm missing? Would the presence of a ProDOS partition on my hard drive be messing this up? Thank you for your help. --Mike For an old-world mac I'm pretty sure you have to boot the hfs image first. I don't think the old Open Firmware's could boot a rescue disk (nor sure if a new world mac can either).
Woody floppy install on OldWorld Mac
Hi, everyone. I'm trying to install Woody onto a Performa 6400/180 that runs MacOS 8.1 on an HFS-formatted disk. I'm using the disk images from ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/images-1.44/, with the exception of boot-floppy-hfs.img, which is corrupt, according to Disk Copy and ShrinkWrap (yes, I tried downloading it more than once, and didn't automatically post-process it :) However, I can't even get the machine to recognize the Rescue disk when I turn it on. It just spits it out. Holding down Option-Command-O-F doesn't get me to Open Firmware, either. I made sure I locked the disk image file after changing the creator type, and locked the disk after the image was written to it. Is there something I'm missing? Would the presence of a ProDOS partition on my hard drive be messing this up? Thank you for your help. --Mike
