Re: Apple PowerPC G5 7,2 No GUI NVIDIA FX 5200

2022-05-23 Thread tonyj 
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 01:39:34PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:31 PM  wrote:
> >
> >  ...
> > There was an official Apple Radeon X1900 G5 edition which was PCIe.
> > I've also read that people have used a Windows PC to flash Mac
> > firmware onto a PC X1950 PCIe card and this card may be more easily
> > available/cheaper.
> >
> > If the OPs machine is PCI-X there are more X1900 options but I've no
> > idea how well the Radeon cards work with Linux.
> 
> Based on my experience with my G5, I was able to use a non-Apple
> Raedon card and things worked fine. I did not need to flash ROMs or
> jump through other hoops.
> 
> For completeness, I picked up a Radeon X1900 GT from eBay. I took out
> the existing NVIDIA card and installed the Raedon card. Upon boot I
> had a UI.

Good info thanks.   So the PC cards work fine in Open Firmware also?
I wonder what the apple specific firmware is for?  MacOS specific
functionality?

-- 
Tony Jones
SUSE Kernel Performance Team

Re: Apple PowerPC G5 7,2 No GUI NVIDIA FX 5200

2022-05-23 Thread tonyj 
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 10:41:07AM -0700, Christian Calderon wrote:
> I wonder if new nvidia cards will work now that nvidia has released an open 
> source driver…

My understanding is that what has been made available right now is
only for newer hardware.  In the long term it may be of benefit for
older hardware.

Lots of details here:

https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2022/05/11/why-is-the-open-source-driver-release-from-nvidia-so-important-for-linux/

Re: Apple PowerPC G5 7,2 No GUI NVIDIA FX 5200

2022-05-23 Thread Jeffrey Walton 
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:31 PM  wrote:
>
>  ...
> There was an official Apple Radeon X1900 G5 edition which was PCIe.
> I've also read that people have used a Windows PC to flash Mac
> firmware onto a PC X1950 PCIe card and this card may be more easily
> available/cheaper.
>
> If the OPs machine is PCI-X there are more X1900 options but I've no
> idea how well the Radeon cards work with Linux.

Based on my experience with my G5, I was able to use a non-Apple
Raedon card and things worked fine. I did not need to flash ROMs or
jump through other hoops.

For completeness, I picked up a Radeon X1900 GT from eBay. I took out
the existing NVIDIA card and installed the Raedon card. Upon boot I
had a UI.

Jeff

Re: Apple PowerPC G5 7,2 No GUI NVIDIA FX 5200

2022-05-23 Thread Christian Calderon 
I have an NVIDIA GeForce 7800GT in my PowerMac11,2. It works fine in Debian 
with nouveau, MATE, and Compton. I’ve tested with a GeForce 6600LE which also 
worked well. What issues were you having?

I wonder if new nvidia cards will work now that nvidia has released an open 
source driver…

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2022, at 10:32 AM, to...@suse.de wrote:
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 04:05:13PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> 
>> This may help: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
>> 
>> When I had problems with the NVIDIA card, I took the NVIDIA card out,
>> and installed a Radeon card instead.
> 
> As mentioned, the proprietory NVIDIA drivers are x86 only.   The only
> option is the reverse engineered open-source Nouveau (nv) driver.
> 
> I've had endless issues with the nouveau driver on my Quad G5.  It
> worked years ago (kernel 3.0 era) but ever since the driver has been
> unreliable or just non-operational. 
> 
> Tangent: my Quad G5 is in pieces right now (cooling issue).  When I 
> resolve this I wanted to swap in a different card.
> 
> Does anyone have a suggestion as to what *PCI-EXPRESS* card works well 
> with the current kernel and can support open firmware?
> 
> There was an official Apple Radeon X1900 G5 edition which was PCIe.  
> I've also read that people have used a Windows PC to flash Mac 
> firmware onto a PC X1950 PCIe card and this card may be more easily
> available/cheaper.
> 
> If the OPs machine is PCI-X there are more X1900 options but I've no
> idea how well the Radeon cards work with Linux. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> Tony Jones
> SUSE Kernel Performance Team
>

Re: Apple PowerPC G5 7,2 No GUI NVIDIA FX 5200

2022-05-23 Thread tonyj 
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 04:05:13PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

> This may help: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> 
> When I had problems with the NVIDIA card, I took the NVIDIA card out,
> and installed a Radeon card instead.

As mentioned, the proprietory NVIDIA drivers are x86 only.   The only
option is the reverse engineered open-source Nouveau (nv) driver.

I've had endless issues with the nouveau driver on my Quad G5.  It
worked years ago (kernel 3.0 era) but ever since the driver has been
unreliable or just non-operational. 

Tangent: my Quad G5 is in pieces right now (cooling issue).  When I 
resolve this I wanted to swap in a different card.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to what *PCI-EXPRESS* card works well 
with the current kernel and can support open firmware?

There was an official Apple Radeon X1900 G5 edition which was PCIe.  
I've also read that people have used a Windows PC to flash Mac 
firmware onto a PC X1950 PCIe card and this card may be more easily
available/cheaper.

If the OPs machine is PCI-X there are more X1900 options but I've no
idea how well the Radeon cards work with Linux. 

Thanks

-- 
Tony Jones
SUSE Kernel Performance Team

Re: Apple PowerPC G5 7,2 No GUI NVIDIA FX 5200

2022-05-20 Thread Guido R . Rolón A . 
Thanks
No ATI Radeon available !
0 experience with Nouveau


On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 4:29 PM Ben Westover  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On 5/20/22 4:20 PM, Guido R. Rolón A. wrote:
> > Thanks, I'll check it out.
> >
> > On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 4:07 PM Jeffrey Walton  > > wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 3:54 PM Guido R. Rolón A.  > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all this is my first time here and my first time with an Apple
> > Machine
> > >
> > > My setup is a
> > > Apple PowerMac7,2 5.1.5f2 BootROM built on 09/21/04 at 11:58:53
> > > 5.1.5 - Power Macintosh G5 (Omega, June 2003)
> > > Model No.: A1047 EMC No.: 1969
> > > Serial NO: YM337XX
> > > Ethernet ID: 000A9597FAE2
> > > CPU 1.6GYHZ 970
> > > RAM 4096MB 333
> > > DISK 160GB HD
> > > DVD-R/CDRW
> > > NVIDIA GF5200 Ultra
> > > 56K Modem
> > >
> > > I have managed to install Debian Linux 11
> > (debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso), CD-ROM Install
> > > With no errors during installation.
> > > First problem, blank screen after first boot,
> > > Access with ssh to this machine and edited /etc/default/grub
> > > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text quiet nomodeset"
> > > Then
> > > update-grub2
> > > and finally
> > > reboot
> > > i can access console, text mode
> > > NO GUI,
> > >
> > > Tried X -configure
> > > and
> > > X,
> > > No screen detected
> >
> > This may help: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> > 
> >
> > When I had problems with the NVIDIA card, I took the NVIDIA card out,
> > and installed a Radeon card instead.
> >
> > Jeff
>
>
> That doesn't look like the right place to go. From what I can see, that
> page is about the proprietary driver, which won't work on your card.
> You're looking for Nouveau, which should be built in.
>
> --
> Ben Westover
>


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Re: Apple PowerPC G5 7,2 No GUI NVIDIA FX 5200

2022-05-20 Thread Ben Westover 
Hello,

On 5/20/22 4:20 PM, Guido R. Rolón A. wrote:
> Thanks, I'll check it out. 
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 4:07 PM Jeffrey Walton  > wrote:
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 3:54 PM Guido R. Rolón A.  > wrote:
> >
> > Hi all this is my first time here and my first time with an Apple
> Machine
> >
> > My setup is a
> > Apple PowerMac7,2 5.1.5f2 BootROM built on 09/21/04 at 11:58:53
> > 5.1.5 - Power Macintosh G5 (Omega, June 2003)
> > Model No.: A1047 EMC No.: 1969
> > Serial NO: YM337XX
> > Ethernet ID: 000A9597FAE2
> > CPU 1.6GYHZ 970
> > RAM 4096MB 333
> > DISK 160GB HD
> > DVD-R/CDRW
> > NVIDIA GF5200 Ultra
> > 56K Modem
> >
> > I have managed to install Debian Linux 11
> (debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso), CD-ROM Install
> > With no errors during installation.
> > First problem, blank screen after first boot,
> > Access with ssh to this machine and edited /etc/default/grub
> > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text quiet nomodeset"
> > Then
> > update-grub2
> > and finally
> > reboot
> > i can access console, text mode
> > NO GUI,
> >
> > Tried X -configure
> > and
> > X,
> > No screen detected
> 
> This may help: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> 
> 
> When I had problems with the NVIDIA card, I took the NVIDIA card out,
> and installed a Radeon card instead.
> 
> Jeff


That doesn't look like the right place to go. From what I can see, that
page is about the proprietary driver, which won't work on your card.
You're looking for Nouveau, which should be built in.

--
Ben Westover


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Re: Apple PowerPC G5 7,2 No GUI NVIDIA FX 5200

2022-05-20 Thread Guido R . Rolón A . 
Thanks, I'll check it out.

On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 4:07 PM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:

> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 3:54 PM Guido R. Rolón A. 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all this is my first time here and my first time with an Apple Machine
> >
> > My setup is a
> > Apple PowerMac7,2 5.1.5f2 BootROM built on 09/21/04 at 11:58:53
> > 5.1.5 - Power Macintosh G5 (Omega, June 2003)
> > Model No.: A1047 EMC No.: 1969
> > Serial NO: YM337XX
> > Ethernet ID: 000A9597FAE2
> > CPU 1.6GYHZ 970
> > RAM 4096MB 333
> > DISK 160GB HD
> > DVD-R/CDRW
> > NVIDIA GF5200 Ultra
> > 56K Modem
> >
> > I have managed to install Debian Linux 11
> (debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso), CD-ROM Install
> > With no errors during installation.
> > First problem, blank screen after first boot,
> > Access with ssh to this machine and edited /etc/default/grub
> > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text quiet nomodeset"
> > Then
> > update-grub2
> > and finally
> > reboot
> > i can access console, text mode
> > NO GUI,
> >
> > Tried X -configure
> > and
> > X,
> > No screen detected
>
> This may help: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
>
> When I had problems with the NVIDIA card, I took the NVIDIA card out,
> and installed a Radeon card instead.
>
> Jeff
>


-- 
*Lic. Guido R. Rolón A.*
Personal : (0971) 331012
*Google : *gro...@gmail.com

Re: Apple PowerPC G5 7,2 No GUI NVIDIA FX 5200

2022-05-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton 
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 3:54 PM Guido R. Rolón A.  wrote:
>
> Hi all this is my first time here and my first time with an Apple Machine
>
> My setup is a
> Apple PowerMac7,2 5.1.5f2 BootROM built on 09/21/04 at 11:58:53
> 5.1.5 - Power Macintosh G5 (Omega, June 2003)
> Model No.: A1047 EMC No.: 1969
> Serial NO: YM337XX
> Ethernet ID: 000A9597FAE2
> CPU 1.6GYHZ 970
> RAM 4096MB 333
> DISK 160GB HD
> DVD-R/CDRW
> NVIDIA GF5200 Ultra
> 56K Modem
>
> I have managed to install Debian Linux 11 
> (debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso), CD-ROM Install
> With no errors during installation.
> First problem, blank screen after first boot,
> Access with ssh to this machine and edited /etc/default/grub
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text quiet nomodeset"
> Then
> update-grub2
> and finally
> reboot
> i can access console, text mode
> NO GUI,
>
> Tried X -configure
> and
> X,
> No screen detected

This may help: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

When I had problems with the NVIDIA card, I took the NVIDIA card out,
and installed a Radeon card instead.

Jeff