Re: PPC64 install && Firefox

2024-04-08 Thread Ken Cunningham



> On Apr 8, 2024, at 1:02 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2024-04-08 at 19:38 +1200, Mike Hosken wrote:

>> As for Firefox thanks for the info, hopefully it will get fixed as it would 
>> make
>> ppc64 still very useable in this modern era. 
> 
> Well, someone interested in Firefox on big-endian targets would have to take 
> a look
> at it. I currently don't have the time for it.
> 
> Adrian


FireFox is quite broken, for a long time now.

There was a browser thread a few months ago.

The only browser I have found that is worth using on ppc64 debian so far is 
SeaLion.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2023/11/msg00012.html


It works pretty.well, and was updated not long ago. It's not perfect either, 
but so far is much better than anything else.

K


Re: PPC64 install && Firefox

2024-04-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Mike Hosken wrote:
> When I burned it to a cd it didn’t boot. When I tried a dvd it did boot.

That's strange. Do you still have that CD with the ISO on it ?
If so, what do you get from a run of

  xorriso -indev /dev/sr0 -toc -report_system_area plain -check_media --

assumed that /dev/sr0 is the drive by which you tried to boot.

It will show what the drive perceives as table of content and it will
try to read all blocks that are covered by the ISO.
(No need to show all of the many pacifier lines like
   xorriso : UPDATE : .. blocks read in ... seconds , ...xC
but any other text output might be of interest.)

The same run with the DVD might show significant differences.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Re: PPC64 install && Firefox

2024-04-08 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Mon, 2024-04-08 at 19:38 +1200, Mike Hosken wrote:
> I used debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST.iso with the date 2023-05-16.
> I downloaded this from cdimage.debian.org. When I burned it to a
> cd it didn’t boot. When I tried a dvd it did boot. I’m assuming
> that it’s the latest image.

There were 15 images released after that one:

> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/

Not sure why you thought it's the latest one.

> I ended up doing 6 installations overall, for testing purposes and it worked 
> well. 
> 
> As for Firefox thanks for the info, hopefully it will get fixed as it would 
> make
> ppc64 still very useable in this modern era. 

Well, someone interested in Firefox on big-endian targets would have to take a 
look
at it. I currently don't have the time for it.

Adrian

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Re: PPC64 install && Firefox

2024-04-08 Thread Mike Hosken
Hi Adrian,

I used debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST.iso with the date 2023-05-16. I downloaded 
this from cdimage.debian.org. When I burned it to a cd it didn’t boot. When I 
tried a dvd it did boot. I’m assuming that it’s the latest image.  I ended up 
doing 6 installations overall, for testing purposes and it worked well. 

As for Firefox thanks for the info, hopefully it will get fixed as it would 
make ppc64 still very useable in this modern era. 


> On 8 Apr 2024, at 19:09, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>> On Mon, 2024-04-08 at 17:19 +1200, Mike Hosken wrote:
>> I just wanted to give some feedback on the install of ppc64 on a Mac G5.
>> 
>> I had a few issues when installing the latest version.
> 
> Which image did you use? The latest snapshot image is known to not boot on
> PowerMac G5, so I'm doubtful you were actually using the latest 
> 
>> Grub install fails when not installing standard system utilities through
>> tasksel during installation. I’m not sure if packages are required for ppc64
>> grub install from standard system utilities but I thought I’d mention it.
> 
> Without knowing what image was used, I cannot really comment here.
> 
>> During installation, upgrading via ports archive dpkg throws up an error with
>> the start stop daemon not being able to write to the directory. After 
>> installation
>> upon reboot dpkg is broken because of this. The fix was simple and upon 
>> reinstall
>> dpkg works as expected.
> 
> I have run into this issue during a test installation as well, but I have not 
> figured
> out yet what the problem is.
> 
>> I installed xfce and noticed Firefox failed to launch with segmentation 
>> errors also
>> the esr version does the same. Upon further research I discovered others 
>> also have
>> this problem.
> 
> The Firefox issue is a known upstream bug:
> 
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1845669
> 
>> I tried building both versions from Sid but they both failed to build. Is 
>> there a fix for this issue ?
> 
> Both firefox and firefox-esr built successfully on ppc64 16 days ago:
> 
>> https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=firefox&arch=ppc64&ver=124.0.1-1&stamp=1711164847&raw=0
>> https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=firefox&arch=ppc64&ver=124.0.1-1&stamp=1711164847&raw=0
> 
>> I’d like to thank the maintainers for keeping the ports going on 20 year old 
>> hardware.
> 
> You're welcome. I'm glad my work is useful to others.
> 
> Adrian
> 
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Re: PPC64 install && Firefox

2024-04-08 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello,

On Mon, 2024-04-08 at 17:19 +1200, Mike Hosken wrote:
> I just wanted to give some feedback on the install of ppc64 on a Mac G5. 
> 
> I had a few issues when installing the latest version. 

Which image did you use? The latest snapshot image is known to not boot on
PowerMac G5, so I'm doubtful you were actually using the latest version.

> Grub install fails when not installing standard system utilities through
> tasksel during installation. I’m not sure if packages are required for ppc64
> grub install from standard system utilities but I thought I’d mention it.

Without knowing what image was used, I cannot really comment here.

> During installation, upgrading via ports archive dpkg throws up an error with
> the start stop daemon not being able to write to the directory. After 
> installation
> upon reboot dpkg is broken because of this. The fix was simple and upon 
> reinstall
> dpkg works as expected.

I have run into this issue during a test installation as well, but I have not 
figured
out yet what the problem is.

> I installed xfce and noticed Firefox failed to launch with segmentation 
> errors also
> the esr version does the same. Upon further research I discovered others also 
> have
> this problem.

The Firefox issue is a known upstream bug:

> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1845669

> I tried building both versions from Sid but they both failed to build. Is 
> there a fix for this issue ? 

Both firefox and firefox-esr built successfully on ppc64 16 days ago:

> https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=firefox&arch=ppc64&ver=124.0.1-1&stamp=1711164847&raw=0
> https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=firefox&arch=ppc64&ver=124.0.1-1&stamp=1711164847&raw=0

> I’d like to thank the maintainers for keeping the ports going on 20 year old 
> hardware. 

You're welcome. I'm glad my work is useful to others.

Adrian

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