Re: prematurely deleting kernel packages !?!?!

2006-09-27 Thread Hans Ekbrand
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:52:25AM -0700, brian wrote:

[...]

 i found 2.6.18 in unstable and will try that, but 
 i can't believe even if it were tested and shown
 to work on all the old world powerpc it is hardly
 yet time to delete it as it would not come down for
 another at least a week i would expect.(frankly,
 after getting no response to my test results i don't
 expect it to work here)

Me neither.

 actually i am starting to feel intuitively that 15 is
 getting stretched too far, there have never been and
 will never be any updates for it, so my choice i 
 suppose if 18 doesn't work is to go back to
 sarge until i hear that it does. 

Use a custom 2.6.18 kernel, see below.

 also i wish i had heard someone else here to try
 the 18 package, there were no reports at all, what
 is the deal, everybody disappearing just when it
 is important ??

I also have tested the .18 kernel Sven refered me to without success
(the one with BenHs patch for loading initrd). I got a mail that the
bug I reported was closed 366620, but I haven't responded, I guess I
should have, but I don't use the box in question anymore. And for
every kernel I test, I have to rescue with the woody install floppies
if it fails (I do that pretty fast, by now).

Since the problem is well-known, failing to load the initrd, it is
easy to workaround, by compiling in the drivers for the harddisk that
/ is on directly into the kernel. I have successfully ran a 2.6.18
kernel with the ide disk and ext2 complied into the kernel.

Being forced to use custom kernels is of course rather annoying in the
long run.

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Re: prematurely deleting kernel packages !?!?!

2006-09-27 Thread brian


--- Hans Ekbrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:52:25AM -0700, brian
 wrote:
 
 
 I also have tested the .18 kernel Sven refered me to
 without success
 (the one with BenHs patch for loading initrd). I got
 a mail that the
 bug I reported was closed 366620, but I haven't
 responded, I guess I

i wish you would. the one advantage though i see
to them putting this out as is is now i/we can
file a new bug report against the fix,

 should have, but I don't use the box in question
 anymore. And for
 every kernel I test, I have to rescue with the woody
 install floppies
 if it fails (I do that pretty fast, by now).

i don't use floppies, i use bootx, so i can boot the
old kernel without too much hassle. although i prefer
to use quik, then there is more of a hassle if i
change
the kernel version it wants.

i was pretty happy briefly, boooting sarge via bootx
and etch via quik.

another thing if you want to test, especially see
below
if you have a way to work on a copy it can also
provide
a rescue option. so i have a sarge partition and
a backup, assuming you can get a backup drive some
where (i found old ones cheap like for $5 surplus)
 
 Since the problem is well-known, failing to load the
 initrd, it is
 easy to workaround, by compiling in the drivers for
 the harddisk that
 / is on directly into the kernel. I have
have means i take it you just tested it, but you
are not actually using it,or are you waiting for
time to upgrade ?

 successfully ran a 2.6.18
 kernel with the ide disk and ext2 complied into the
 kernel.
i am still not sure this is safe to use on a
production
system although it may boot, if you said you had used
it for say 40 hours or something with no consequences 
then i would trust it much more (this means also you
did the complete dist-upgrade). for instance is
your udev and sys and all that working properly (or
maybe you don't need it ?). 
 
 Being forced to use custom kernels is of course
 rather annoying in the
 long run.
used to be it was more efficient actually once you
got it going, but i am not sure it is so much 
anymore.

annoying to me my interests not so much aligned
with the linux kernel. if i were more of a c 
programmer it could be good experience for me
but right now i am not sure. i mean i am past
the stage where compiling and configuring really 
mean much to me, if my studies led me into
operating systems then i would be more than
willing to look into the situation further but
right now it seems like a distraction.

my hunch tho, a strong one, is that the new initrd
new support is going to be necessary in the
future. it may first be necessary in some cases
to have a regular kernel but i would try and
get the initrd support working if at all possible.

it seems some of the problem is around merging the
subarches and so i bet they are not too eager to
branch it again.

still the deletion of the 15 series before a solution
is tested has lowered my trust in debian a notch,
along
with the general management of the whole etch thing.
i still think the people are mostly great but the
organization has some real significant conflicts.


 
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