Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 09:29:21PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 15:24 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:14:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote: Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :) Sorry, but there is only cdrom, hd-media, and netboot in http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/. Is it netboot? Oh, damn, the floppies are still disabled then, will fix for tomorrow then. The main problem is that the drivers and other images are way too big for floppies. Ah, joeyh disabled them and forgot to reenable them once the miboot kernels entered the archive :/ So, I tried those available right now, and the boot image does not work (the Mac ejects the floppy automatically after trying to read it). Which those available right now ? The etch/sarge/testing one will never work until we free miboot, so you need the daily builds, and they should work. Also, it is well possible that your floppies or drive is dusty or something. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
Le jeudi 13 octobre 2005 à 13:14 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 09:29:21PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 15:24 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:14:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote: Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :) Sorry, but there is only cdrom, hd-media, and netboot in http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/. Is it netboot? Oh, damn, the floppies are still disabled then, will fix for tomorrow then. The main problem is that the drivers and other images are way too big for floppies. Ah, joeyh disabled them and forgot to reenable them once the miboot kernels entered the archive :/ So, I tried those available right now, and the boot image does not work (the Mac ejects the floppy automatically after trying to read it). Which those available right now ? Those in http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy (now=yesterday evening). The etch/sarge/testing one will never work until we free miboot, so you need the daily builds, and they should work. Also, it is well possible that your floppies or drive is dusty or something. Your miboot.floppy of the other day worked, and I reused the same floppies and tried with others, but boot.img did not work (it was ejected by the Mac). Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 01:28:00PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le jeudi 13 octobre 2005 à 13:14 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 09:29:21PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 15:24 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:14:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote: Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :) Sorry, but there is only cdrom, hd-media, and netboot in http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/. Is it netboot? Oh, damn, the floppies are still disabled then, will fix for tomorrow then. The main problem is that the drivers and other images are way too big for floppies. Ah, joeyh disabled them and forgot to reenable them once the miboot kernels entered the archive :/ So, I tried those available right now, and the boot image does not work (the Mac ejects the floppy automatically after trying to read it). Which those available right now ? Those in http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy (now=yesterday evening). The etch/sarge/testing one will never work until we free miboot, so you need the daily builds, and they should work. Also, it is well possible that your floppies or drive is dusty or something. Your miboot.floppy of the other day worked, and I reused the same floppies and tried with others, but boot.img did not work (it was ejected by the Mac). These are built using the exact same kernel and the exact same process, but it is possible that joeyh did more breakage in order to make it build without miboot, let me check. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 15:24 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:14:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote: Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :) Sorry, but there is only cdrom, hd-media, and netboot in http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/. Is it netboot? Oh, damn, the floppies are still disabled then, will fix for tomorrow then. The main problem is that the drivers and other images are way too big for floppies. Ah, joeyh disabled them and forgot to reenable them once the miboot kernels entered the archive :/ So, I tried those available right now, and the boot image does not work (the Mac ejects the floppy automatically after trying to read it). Friendly, Sven Luther
Linux-tiny (Was: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.)
[..] I would say that if more of the linux-tiny patches were incorporated in the mainline kernel, then it would be a really nice addition. I'm not aware of linux-tiny. Where can I learn more about it? http://www.selenic.com/linux-tiny/ Enjoy! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
Le mercredi 21 septembre 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( i managed to do a powerpc-miboot flavour build, which does fit on a miboot floppy. I would like (urgently) for folk to test it out, it is just a kernel, i need to see if it boots, not much more for now, before i go ahead and upload 2.6.12-7 which would include it, and subsequently build debian-installer images with it. The floppy is at : http://people.debian.org/~luther/miboot.floppy It boots happily on my PowerMacintosh G3. Where am I supposed to find the matching root disk image file, though? Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 12:32:33PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le mercredi 21 septembre 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( i managed to do a powerpc-miboot flavour build, which does fit on a miboot floppy. I would like (urgently) for folk to test it out, it is just a kernel, i need to see if it boots, not much more for now, before i go ahead and upload 2.6.12-7 which would include it, and subsequently build debian-installer images with it. The floppy is at : http://people.debian.org/~luther/miboot.floppy It boots happily on my PowerMacintosh G3. Where am I supposed to find the matching root disk image file, though? That was just a test image, no matching root, but i enabled this on the daily builds now : http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy Or something such. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 12:37 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 12:32:33PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le mercredi 21 septembre 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( i managed to do a powerpc-miboot flavour build, which does fit on a miboot floppy. I would like (urgently) for folk to test it out, it is just a kernel, i need to see if it boots, not much more for now, before i go ahead and upload 2.6.12-7 which would include it, and subsequently build debian-installer images with it. The floppy is at : http://people.debian.org/~luther/miboot.floppy It boots happily on my PowerMacintosh G3. Where am I supposed to find the matching root disk image file, though? That was just a test image, no matching root, but i enabled this on the daily builds now : http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy Or something such. I guess it will only be available tomorrow, then? No problem, just to be sure. Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:07:09PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 12:37 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 12:32:33PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le mercredi 21 septembre 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( i managed to do a powerpc-miboot flavour build, which does fit on a miboot floppy. I would like (urgently) for folk to test it out, it is just a kernel, i need to see if it boots, not much more for now, before i go ahead and upload 2.6.12-7 which would include it, and subsequently build debian-installer images with it. The floppy is at : http://people.debian.org/~luther/miboot.floppy It boots happily on my PowerMacintosh G3. Where am I supposed to find the matching root disk image file, though? That was just a test image, no matching root, but i enabled this on the daily builds now : http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy Or something such. I guess it will only be available tomorrow, then? No problem, just to be sure. Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :) Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 13:03 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:07:09PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 12:37 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 12:32:33PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote: Le mercredi 21 septembre 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit : On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( i managed to do a powerpc-miboot flavour build, which does fit on a miboot floppy. I would like (urgently) for folk to test it out, it is just a kernel, i need to see if it boots, not much more for now, before i go ahead and upload 2.6.12-7 which would include it, and subsequently build debian-installer images with it. The floppy is at : http://people.debian.org/~luther/miboot.floppy It boots happily on my PowerMacintosh G3. Where am I supposed to find the matching root disk image file, though? That was just a test image, no matching root, but i enabled this on the daily builds now : http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy Or something such. I guess it will only be available tomorrow, then? No problem, just to be sure. Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :) Sorry, but there is only cdrom, hd-media, and netboot in http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/. Is it netboot? Friendly, Sven Luther -- Jérôme Warnier FLOSS Consultant http://beeznest.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote: Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :) Sorry, but there is only cdrom, hd-media, and netboot in http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/. Is it netboot? Oh, damn, the floppies are still disabled then, will fix for tomorrow then. The main problem is that the drivers and other images are way too big for floppies. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:14:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote: Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :) Sorry, but there is only cdrom, hd-media, and netboot in http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/. Is it netboot? Oh, damn, the floppies are still disabled then, will fix for tomorrow then. The main problem is that the drivers and other images are way too big for floppies. Ah, joeyh disabled them and forgot to reenable them once the miboot kernels entered the archive :/ Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 07:54:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: [...] i managed to do a powerpc-miboot flavour build, which does fit on a miboot floppy. I would like (urgently) for folk to test it out, it is just a kernel, i need to see if it boots, not much more for now, before i go ahead and upload 2.6.12-7 which would include it, and subsequently build debian-installer images with it. Also boots a Performa 5400/160 -- Hans Ekbrand (http://sociologi.cjb.net) [EMAIL PROTECTED] A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion Q. Why is top posting bad? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( i managed to do a powerpc-miboot flavour build, which does fit on a miboot floppy. I would like (urgently) for folk to test it out, it is just a kernel, i need to see if it boots, not much more for now, before i go ahead and upload 2.6.12-7 which would include it, and subsequently build debian-installer images with it. The floppy is at : http://people.debian.org/~luther/miboot.floppy Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 07:54:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( i managed to do a powerpc-miboot flavour build, which does fit on a miboot floppy. I would like (urgently) for folk to test it out, it is just a kernel, i need to see if it boots, not much more for now, before i go ahead and upload 2.6.12-7 which would include it, and subsequently build debian-installer images with it. Tested on a Performa 6400/180 Boots nicely! -- Hans Ekbrand (http://sociologi.cjb.net) [EMAIL PROTECTED] A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion Q. Why is top posting bad? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
miboot floppies [was Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.]
Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:58:58 -0300 Rogério Brito wrote: Note to self: when replacing the zImage on the HFS boot floppy, one has to use the vmlinux image compressed with gzip, like this: gzip -9 vmlinux hmount /dev/fd0 hcopy vmlinux.gz :zImage humount /dev/fd0 No other image that I tried worked. But it was nice to (re)-discover how one makes a boot floppy for an OldWorld Mac. I tried to repeat what Rogério Brito did (using the same kernel-source (version 2.6.13-rc6-mm1), and the .config posted by Brito to the lkml). But when doing the hcopy command mentioned above I get the following: pc236:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-rc6# hcopy vmlinux.gz :zImage hcopy: vmlinux.gz: volume full (No space left on device) pc236:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-rc6# Here is some info on the floppy (unmodified boot-floppy-hfs.img from woody) pc236:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-rc6# hmount /dev/fd0 Volume name is Debian/PowerPC Volume was created on Thu May 16 11:22:34 2002 Volume was last modified on Thu May 16 11:22:34 2002 Volume has 179200 bytes free pc236:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-rc6# ls -l vmlinux.gz -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1373583 Sep 12 16:06 vmlinux.gz pc236:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-rc6# file vmlinux.gz vmlinux.gz: gzip compressed data, was vmlinux, from Unix, max compression -- Hans Ekbrand (http://sociologi.cjb.net) [EMAIL PROTECTED] A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion Q. Why is top posting bad? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: miboot floppies [was Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.]
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:04:25PM +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:58:58 -0300 Rogério Brito wrote: Note to self: when replacing the zImage on the HFS boot floppy, one has to use the vmlinux image compressed with gzip, like this: gzip -9 vmlinux hmount /dev/fd0 hcopy vmlinux.gz :zImage humount /dev/fd0 No other image that I tried worked. But it was nice to (re)-discover how one makes a boot floppy for an OldWorld Mac. I tried to repeat what Rogério Brito did (using the same kernel-source (version 2.6.13-rc6-mm1), and the .config posted by Brito to the lkml). But when doing the hcopy command mentioned above I get the following: pc236:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-rc6# hcopy vmlinux.gz :zImage hcopy: vmlinux.gz: volume full (No space left on device) pc236:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-rc6# Yeah, well, your kernel is to huge, it should be 1.2/1.3MB max or thereabout. Here is some info on the floppy (unmodified boot-floppy-hfs.img from woody) pc236:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-rc6# hmount /dev/fd0 Volume name is Debian/PowerPC Volume was created on Thu May 16 11:22:34 2002 Volume was last modified on Thu May 16 11:22:34 2002 Volume has 179200 bytes free pc236:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-rc6# ls -l vmlinux.gz -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1373583 Sep 12 16:06 vmlinux.gz See, you need to reduce the size of this kernel. Make sure to post your .config file once you are done with it. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: miboot floppies [was Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.]
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 05:06:44PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:04:25PM +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:58:58 -0300 Rogério Brito wrote: Note to self: when replacing the zImage on the HFS boot floppy, one has to use the vmlinux image compressed with gzip, like this: gzip -9 vmlinux hmount /dev/fd0 hcopy vmlinux.gz :zImage humount /dev/fd0 No other image that I tried worked. But it was nice to (re)-discover how one makes a boot floppy for an OldWorld Mac. I tried to repeat what Rogério Brito did (using the same kernel-source (version 2.6.13-rc6-mm1), and the .config posted by Brito to the lkml). [...] See, you need to reduce the size of this kernel. Make sure to post your .config file once you are done with it. Yes I understand that, but what I don't understand is why Rogério succeeded when I don't. As I wrote above, I did use the same .config as he and the same kernel-sources. Could it be different compilers used? I used a pure sarge system to compile. -- Hans Ekbrand (http://sociologi.cjb.net) [EMAIL PROTECTED] A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion Q. Why is top posting bad? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: miboot floppies [was Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.]
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 07:01:28PM +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 05:06:44PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:04:25PM +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:58:58 -0300 Rogério Brito wrote: Note to self: when replacing the zImage on the HFS boot floppy, one has to use the vmlinux image compressed with gzip, like this: gzip -9 vmlinux hmount /dev/fd0 hcopy vmlinux.gz :zImage humount /dev/fd0 No other image that I tried worked. But it was nice to (re)-discover how one makes a boot floppy for an OldWorld Mac. I tried to repeat what Rogério Brito did (using the same kernel-source (version 2.6.13-rc6-mm1), and the .config posted by Brito to the lkml). [...] See, you need to reduce the size of this kernel. Make sure to post your .config file once you are done with it. Yes I understand that, but what I don't understand is why Rogério succeeded when I don't. As I wrote above, I did use the same .config as he and the same kernel-sources. probably not the exact ones. Or did you maybe not strip them or something ? Could it be different compilers used? I used a pure sarge system to compile. Should be ok. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 06:43:41AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: I'm including debian-boot on the Cc list, so that other people can share their knowledge here. On Aug 27 2005, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 01:01:20AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: Please, correct, me but the fake Finder and System folders that comes with Debian's woody HFS floppy are miboot floppies, right? No idea, probably, but i am really not all that knowledgeable about pre-sarge oldworld stuff. Well, I think that it is, but some definitive answer on this would be appreciated. That floppy is what I am using to boot my system. But, again, please correct me if I am wrong. Not sure, someone else could comment. Also, if yes, would you contribute some documentation about this in the installation manual ? Of course I can contribute documentation, but I don't think that what I am doing is anything extraordinary. Well, it is always better than nothing, which is probably what we have now. Ok, I can write a few paragraphs on this, if desired. Where should I insert the text that I write? It would be nice to know the context where the snippet will go. i will let others, like Frans and Holger, comment on this, but the installation manual is in the debian-installer svn repo, under installer/docs i think, and the instruction to get access to them are on the debian-installer web page (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer). Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
I'm including debian-boot on the Cc list, so that other people can share their knowledge here. On Aug 27 2005, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 01:01:20AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: Please, correct, me but the fake Finder and System folders that comes with Debian's woody HFS floppy are miboot floppies, right? No idea, probably, but i am really not all that knowledgeable about pre-sarge oldworld stuff. Well, I think that it is, but some definitive answer on this would be appreciated. That floppy is what I am using to boot my system. But, again, please correct me if I am wrong. Not sure, someone else could comment. Also, if yes, would you contribute some documentation about this in the installation manual ? Of course I can contribute documentation, but I don't think that what I am doing is anything extraordinary. Well, it is always better than nothing, which is probably what we have now. Ok, I can write a few paragraphs on this, if desired. Where should I insert the text that I write? It would be nice to know the context where the snippet will go. Regards, Rogério Brito. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Aug 24 2005, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:58:58AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: After installing the NewerTech G3 upgrade card into the PowerMac 9500/180MP, I had some problems, when I tried to install Debian. None of the sarge floppies would work and I eventually decided to get rid of any Ah, so you are not really using the 2.6 miboot floppies, after all, in fact you are not at all using miboot. Please, correct, me but the fake Finder and System folders that comes with Debian's woody HFS floppy are miboot floppies, right? That floppy is what I am using to boot my system. But, again, please correct me if I am wrong. How do you actually boot this kernel from a floppy if it doesn't involve using miboot ? And are you sure this method will work on all old-world implementations ? I am not sure if it works with other OldWorld implementations. I do think that it does, since, IIRC, there were other people using the very same process some time ago (say, one or two years ago). Also, it has continued to work on my pmac even after I upgraded its processor (from the dual 604e card to a single G3 card). Also, if yes, would you contribute some documentation about this in the installation manual ? Of course I can contribute documentation, but I don't think that what I am doing is anything extraordinary. Regards, Rogério Brito. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 01:01:20AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 24 2005, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:58:58AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: After installing the NewerTech G3 upgrade card into the PowerMac 9500/180MP, I had some problems, when I tried to install Debian. None of the sarge floppies would work and I eventually decided to get rid of any Ah, so you are not really using the 2.6 miboot floppies, after all, in fact you are not at all using miboot. Please, correct, me but the fake Finder and System folders that comes with Debian's woody HFS floppy are miboot floppies, right? No idea, probably, but i am really not all that knowledgeable about pre-sarge oldworld stuff. That floppy is what I am using to boot my system. But, again, please correct me if I am wrong. Not sure, someone else could comment. How do you actually boot this kernel from a floppy if it doesn't involve using miboot ? And are you sure this method will work on all old-world implementations ? I am not sure if it works with other OldWorld implementations. I do think that it does, since, IIRC, there were other people using the very same process some time ago (say, one or two years ago). Also, it has continued to work on my pmac even after I upgraded its processor (from the dual 604e card to a single G3 card). It is more firmware than processor related though. Also, if yes, would you contribute some documentation about this in the installation manual ? Of course I can contribute documentation, but I don't think that what I am doing is anything extraordinary. Well, it is always better than nothing, which is probably what we have now. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:28:07AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 23 2005, Sven Luther wrote: Notice that the main problem still is that i couldn't get 2.6 miboot to work except two mysterious times in oldenbourg. Really? I do it all the time here with an inherited PowerMac 9500/180MP with a G3 upgrade card (kindly donated by Tormod). I even documented the way I do it in my 'blog/diary (and the same method has been working for years now). What exactly is the problem that you're facing? First ever report of the 2.6 miboot floppies working, as opposed to the 2.4 miboot floppies. The kernel floppy would boot, the box showing the little penguin, going into reverse video mode, and then freezing. IT is an Umax Apus 2000 though, but i never had any other report. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:58:58AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 24 2005, Rick Thomas wrote: On Aug 23, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Rogério Brito wrote: Really? I do it all the time here with an inherited PowerMac 9500/180MP with a G3 upgrade card (kindly donated by Tormod). I even documented the way I do it in my 'blog/diary (and the same method has been working for years now). What exactly is the problem that you're facing? Could you post a URL for that 'blog/diary entry? Because I've had the same trouble as Sven. Here you go: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 12 April After installing the NewerTech G3 upgrade card into the PowerMac 9500/180MP, I had some problems, when I tried to install Debian. None of the sarge floppies would work and I eventually decided to get rid of any Ah, so you are not really using the 2.6 miboot floppies, after all, in fact you are not at all using miboot. traces of MacOS and installed using the woody floppies. The problem is that the kernel 2.2.20 that comes with woody ins't able to see both PCI buses, especially the one where the video card is sitting on. I had to grab a kernel from testing's repository, but I don't like distribution kernels, for they are way too bloated. Note to self: when replacing the zImage on the HFS boot floppy, one has to use the vmlinux image compressed with gzip, like this: gzip -9 vmlinux hmount /dev/fd0 hcopy vmlinux.gz :zImage humount /dev/fd0 No other image that I tried worked. But it was nice to (re)-discover how one makes a boot floppy for an OldWorld Mac. P.S.: Today, Apple announced the next upgrade of MacOS X, code named Tiger. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mmm, that is interesting, let me check ... We do the following : $(TEMP_KERNEL).gz: $(TEMP_KERNEL) mkvmlinuz -a miboot -k $(TEMP_KERNEL) -n -d $(TEMP)/lib -o $(TEMP_KERNEL).gz $(TEMP_BOOT).new: $(TEMP_KERNEL).gz dd if=/dev/zero of=$@ bs=1024 count=$(FLOPPY_SIZE) hformat -l $(DISK_LABEL) $@ # Since miboot is not in the archive yet, but used for daily builds, # we test for its existence, and use it if available. If not, we # resort # to some grungy HFS hacking to make believe it is there. echo READY TO DO MIBOOT ... if [ -x /usr/bin/miboot ]; then \ echo DOING MIBOOT; \ echo device $(TEMP_BOOT).new $(TEMP)/miboot.conf; \ echo kernel $(TEMP_KERNEL).gz $(KERNEL_CMDL) $(TEMP)/miboot.conf;\ miboot -c $(TEMP)/miboot.conf; \ echo MIBOOT DONE; \ else\ hmount $@; \ hcopy -r $(TEMP_KERNEL).gz :vmlinuz;\ hattrib -b :; \ humount;\ fi So, for the floppies currently in sarge, the only difference is the -r invocation to hcopy, and the hattrib -b call. Ah, and the mkvmlinuz call does : OBJCOPY_ARGS=-O aixcoff-rs6000 -R .stab -R .stabstr $OBJCOPY_ARGS do_cmd $OBJCOPY $OBJCOPY_ARGS --add-section=image=$work/vmlinux.gz $objs/dummy.o $vmlinuz if test -n $initrd; then do_cmd $OBJCOPY $OBJCOPY_ARGS --add-section=initrd=$work/initrd.gz $vmlinuz $vmlinuz fi in addition to the gzip command, maybe this one is the problematic one. Can you try adding the -r and hattrib -b command to your working case, and then try running the kernel through mkvmlinuz instead of just gzip, so we know where it fails. How do you actually boot this kernel from a floppy if it doesn't involve using miboot ? And are you sure this method will work on all old-world implementations ? Also, if yes, would you contribute some documentation about this in the installation manual ? Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 02:18:07AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 22 2005, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 11:23:39AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: So, I do think that it would be possible to get it smaller. Want to see my .config? I just posted it to linux-kernel in a reply to Andrew Morton. Remember the debian kernel is generic for all powerpc plateforms, from old world to prep boxes, to powerbooks to the last 32bit IBM chrps and the genesi pegasos machine, so there is a bit more constraints here, but it is assuredly doable. I thought that the kernel in the miboot floppies were specific just to OldWorld machines. And you already have many flavours of it being built. Nope, it was specific in 2.4 (since we where not doing a modular kernel back then), but the 2.6 miboot kernel was just the plain -powerpc flavour. I understand that the kernels have to be generic, but, say, including one specific feature of a pegasos machine in a miboot floppy isn't something that I would expect (even if it can be offloaded to a ramdisk). Which specific feature ? We moved (almost) everything to modules. The problem is with things like the pmac_ide whose code cannot be modularized. There is a lot of pmac drivers which probably don't make sense on oldworld, and whose cannot be modularized. The only thing from the pegasos and other chrp that is builtin is the serial driver, in order to get the serial console, but that is it. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 02:18:07AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote: Remember the debian kernel is generic for all powerpc plateforms, from old world to prep boxes, to powerbooks to the last 32bit IBM chrps and the genesi pegasos machine, so there is a bit more constraints here, but it is assuredly doable. I thought that the kernel in the miboot floppies were specific just to OldWorld machines. And you already have many flavours of it being built. I understand that the kernels have to be generic, but, say, including one specific feature of a pegasos machine in a miboot floppy isn't something that I would expect (even if it can be offloaded to a ramdisk). Sven, didn't you say a while ago a flavour more or less doesn't matter (when discussing ppc64 kernels)? I think a special oldworld kernel might be useful for these bootfloppies indeed. -- Rog?rio Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---end quoted text--- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 03:05:05PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 02:18:07AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote: Remember the debian kernel is generic for all powerpc plateforms, from old world to prep boxes, to powerbooks to the last 32bit IBM chrps and the genesi pegasos machine, so there is a bit more constraints here, but it is assuredly doable. I thought that the kernel in the miboot floppies were specific just to OldWorld machines. And you already have many flavours of it being built. I understand that the kernels have to be generic, but, say, including one specific feature of a pegasos machine in a miboot floppy isn't something that I would expect (even if it can be offloaded to a ramdisk). Sven, didn't you say a while ago a flavour more or less doesn't matter (when discussing ppc64 kernels)? I think a special oldworld kernel might be useful for these bootfloppies indeed. It is possible, but if we can go to it in another way, that is better yet. Also, i don't really know what can be removed from the kernels, since most stuff they don't need is modular anyway. Notice that the main problem still is that i couldn't get 2.6 miboot to work except two mysterious times in oldenbourg. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Aug 23 2005, Sven Luther wrote: Notice that the main problem still is that i couldn't get 2.6 miboot to work except two mysterious times in oldenbourg. Really? I do it all the time here with an inherited PowerMac 9500/180MP with a G3 upgrade card (kindly donated by Tormod). I even documented the way I do it in my 'blog/diary (and the same method has been working for years now). What exactly is the problem that you're facing? Regards, Rogério Brito. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Aug 23, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 23 2005, Sven Luther wrote: Notice that the main problem still is that i couldn't get 2.6 miboot to work except two mysterious times in oldenbourg. Really? I do it all the time here with an inherited PowerMac 9500/180MP with a G3 upgrade card (kindly donated by Tormod). I even documented the way I do it in my 'blog/diary (and the same method has been working for years now). What exactly is the problem that you're facing? Could you post a URL for that 'blog/diary entry? Because I've had the same trouble as Sven. Thanks! Rick
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Aug 24 2005, Rick Thomas wrote: On Aug 23, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Rogério Brito wrote: Really? I do it all the time here with an inherited PowerMac 9500/180MP with a G3 upgrade card (kindly donated by Tormod). I even documented the way I do it in my 'blog/diary (and the same method has been working for years now). What exactly is the problem that you're facing? Could you post a URL for that 'blog/diary entry? Because I've had the same trouble as Sven. Here you go: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 12 April After installing the NewerTech G3 upgrade card into the PowerMac 9500/180MP, I had some problems, when I tried to install Debian. None of the sarge floppies would work and I eventually decided to get rid of any traces of MacOS and installed using the woody floppies. The problem is that the kernel 2.2.20 that comes with woody ins't able to see both PCI buses, especially the one where the video card is sitting on. I had to grab a kernel from testing's repository, but I don't like distribution kernels, for they are way too bloated. Note to self: when replacing the zImage on the HFS boot floppy, one has to use the vmlinux image compressed with gzip, like this: gzip -9 vmlinux hmount /dev/fd0 hcopy vmlinux.gz :zImage humount /dev/fd0 No other image that I tried worked. But it was nice to (re)-discover how one makes a boot floppy for an OldWorld Mac. P.S.: Today, Apple announced the next upgrade of MacOS X, code named Tiger. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hope this helps, Rogério. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Aug 22 2005, Sven Luther wrote: A bit of reality check here, we have around 1.3MB space on the miboot floppies, and current compressed miboot floppies arer 1.6MB or so, so we just need to unbloat it further 200/300kb (compressed though), which should be possible by modularizing lot of stuff, among those the pmac-ide is a good candidate. Well, my custom kernel is around 1200KB compressed (and about 100KB free on the floppy) and it has many things hardcoded that could be offloaded to an initramdisk, if I wanted to get my hands dirty. So, I do think that it would be possible to get it smaller. Want to see my .config? I just posted it to linux-kernel in a reply to Andrew Morton. Cheers, Rogério. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 08:47:16PM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: There is current discussion on the lkml discussing which kernels one should use with small systems (like old 486s and such) and the consensus seems to be that one should use either a 2.6 kernel (perhaps using some of the linux-tiny patches) or use a really ancient kernel. Do you have a link to this discussion? Can't see anything abvious in the archives. -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 11:23:39AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 22 2005, Sven Luther wrote: A bit of reality check here, we have around 1.3MB space on the miboot floppies, and current compressed miboot floppies arer 1.6MB or so, so we just need to unbloat it further 200/300kb (compressed though), which should be possible by modularizing lot of stuff, among those the pmac-ide is a good candidate. Well, my custom kernel is around 1200KB compressed (and about 100KB free on the floppy) and it has many things hardcoded that could be offloaded to an initramdisk, if I wanted to get my hands dirty. So, I do think that it would be possible to get it smaller. Want to see my .config? I just posted it to linux-kernel in a reply to Andrew Morton. Remember the debian kernel is generic for all powerpc plateforms, from old world to prep boxes, to powerbooks to the last 32bit IBM chrps and the genesi pegasos machine, so there is a bit more constraints here, but it is assuredly doable. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 22 2005, Martin Habets wrote: Do you have a link to this discussion? Can't see anything abvious in the archives. Here you go: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelm=112440317315551w=2 Hope this helps, Rogério. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Aug 22 2005, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 11:23:39AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: So, I do think that it would be possible to get it smaller. Want to see my .config? I just posted it to linux-kernel in a reply to Andrew Morton. Remember the debian kernel is generic for all powerpc plateforms, from old world to prep boxes, to powerbooks to the last 32bit IBM chrps and the genesi pegasos machine, so there is a bit more constraints here, but it is assuredly doable. I thought that the kernel in the miboot floppies were specific just to OldWorld machines. And you already have many flavours of it being built. I understand that the kernels have to be generic, but, say, including one specific feature of a pegasos machine in a miboot floppy isn't something that I would expect (even if it can be offloaded to a ramdisk). -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Aug 21 2005, Rick Thomas wrote: Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld Pmacs, since there are none-such? False. PowerMacs 9500/180MP (which are OldWorld) are SMP, as the name implies. Regards, -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:51AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld Pmacs, since there are none-such? Actually, there are. Apple even shipped a few of them that way, plus there were upgrade cards available. I purchased a dual 200MHz upgrade for my 7600 at one point. While it was not as big an improvement as you might think, I did have it using both chips in Linux at one point. Brad Boyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:51AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld Pmacs, since there are none-such? Actually, that's not true - I have a 7500 with an aftermarket 604e/180 dual CPU card, and I'm sure there was at least one 9600 model that had dual processors from the factory, so MP-safety most certainly is an issue. Besides, he said he was testing it on an SMP box anyway - it'd be hard to get a SWIM3 floppy controller on a NewWorld, since the core chipsets in the NewWorlds don't have 'em. -- Derrik Pates [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Sun, August 21, 2005 6:47, Derrik Pates wrote: On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:51AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld Pmacs, since there are none-such? Actually, that's not true - I have a 7500 with an aftermarket 604e/180 dual CPU card, and I'm sure there was at least one 9600 model that had dual processors from the factory, so MP-safety most certainly is an issue. Besides, he said he was testing it on an SMP box anyway - it'd be hard to get a SWIM3 floppy controller on a NewWorld, since the core chipsets in the NewWorlds don't have 'em. In addition to Apple's machines (like the 9500 180/MP like Rogerio mentioned) that came SMP-ready, and CPU upgrade cards, there were also clones at this time that were also SMP-capable. I remember a 4-way 604e non-Apple Power Mac. Since all of this arose from the same line of motherboard and chipsets, I would guess these machines also have SWIM3 controllers for the floppy drives. But just to clarify: I presently do NOT have SMP on my 8500. I have a single G3 CPU upgrade card. I've compiled a kernel with SMP set, and tried to use SMP-compatible locking primitives in my 1st attempt to make the SWIM3 driver SMP safe. But I did not use these properly. My attempt here is to try to do several things in one job: get my 8500 and all its hardware working, learning about device driver programming, and making code SMP-safe. If desireable, I can send the patch to the current 2.6.12 line to get the driver to compile cleanly. All I did was to replace the older interrupt calling routines with their updated equivalent. cheers vinai -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 09:22:28AM -0500, vinai wrote: On Sun, August 21, 2005 6:47, Derrik Pates wrote: On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:51AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld Pmacs, since there are none-such? Actually, that's not true - I have a 7500 with an aftermarket 604e/180 dual CPU card, and I'm sure there was at least one 9600 model that had dual processors from the factory, so MP-safety most certainly is an issue. Besides, he said he was testing it on an SMP box anyway - it'd be hard to get a SWIM3 floppy controller on a NewWorld, since the core chipsets in the NewWorlds don't have 'em. In addition to Apple's machines (like the 9500 180/MP like Rogerio mentioned) that came SMP-ready, and CPU upgrade cards, there were also clones at this time that were also SMP-capable. I remember a 4-way 604e non-Apple Power Mac. Since all of this arose from the same line of motherboard and chipsets, I would guess these machines also have SWIM3 controllers for the floppy drives. But just to clarify: I presently do NOT have SMP on my 8500. I have a single G3 CPU upgrade card. I've compiled a kernel with SMP set, and tried to use SMP-compatible locking primitives in my 1st attempt to make the SWIM3 driver SMP safe. But I did not use these properly. My attempt here is to try to do several things in one job: get my 8500 and all its hardware working, learning about device driver programming, and making code SMP-safe. If desireable, I can send the patch to the current 2.6.12 line to get the driver to compile cleanly. All I did was to replace the older interrupt calling routines with their updated equivalent. Yes, please do, as a bug report to linux-2.6 package in sid. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 21, 2005, at 10:22 AM, vinai wrote: On Sun, August 21, 2005 6:47, Derrik Pates wrote: On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:51AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld Pmacs, since there are none-such? Actually, that's not true - I have a 7500 with an aftermarket 604e/180 dual CPU card, and I'm sure there was at least one 9600 model that had dual processors from the factory, so MP-safety most certainly is an issue. Besides, he said he was testing it on an SMP box anyway - it'd be hard to get a SWIM3 floppy controller on a NewWorld, since the core chipsets in the NewWorlds don't have 'em. In addition to Apple's machines (like the 9500 180/MP like Rogerio mentioned) that came SMP-ready, and CPU upgrade cards, there were also clones at this time that were also SMP-capable. I remember a 4-way 604e non-Apple Power Mac. Since all of this arose from the same line of motherboard and chipsets, I would guess these machines also have SWIM3 controllers for the floppy drives. Well... You learn something new every day! Thanks for the correction. Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 19 2005, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote: Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( The kernel don't fit anyway, That's not true. The method I currently use to boot my pmac is to compile a brand new kernel (right now, 2.6.13-rc6-mm1, the bleeding edge) and it fits into a floppy without any problems (and with about 100KB left). I don't even use a initial ramdisk, which would make things even easier, as far as we are talking about space on the floppy (since I could perfectly move things there, but I feel that it is too much trouble with my own machine). I just grabbed the woody hfs boot floppy and replaced the kernel with mine (and edited the parameters passed by the System file). Then, everything else worked. In fact, I now have learnt how to make my machine boot in OF with the use of the monitor and now I can see the quik prompt, but quik seems unable to boot with kernels that work the floppy disk method. and you can always use the sarge miboot floppies, If I recall correctly, there were one of the release candidates of sarge that didn't have floppies working. I just grabbed the woody floppies and proceeded with its install and later upgrade to testing. I never looked back then. or older daily builds and then upgrade, or use bootx with the normal installation, or even boot the .cofg kernel from OF directly. Using bootx is out of question, due to space limitation of my hard drive (and I am not even mentioning the use of a non-free MacOS install). Didn't know that OF could boot .coff kernels directly, though. I will investigate that. Regards, -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 20 2005, Rick Thomas wrote: NewWorld Macs can boot off of CDs, so these boot floppies are only necessary for OldWorld PowerMacs, which, being out of production, have a fixed unchanging set of devices. That is false, as you can obviously upgrade your box with other devices and even the way of booting (e.g., by using a Tempo Trio card, which supports using IDE instead of the SCSI commonly found in OldWorld macs). -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi there, vinai. On Aug 20 2005, vinai wrote: One thing to keep in mind is that the swim3 driver in the Old World Pmacs hasn't been properly updated for the 2.6 series of kernels. Last I checked, I think the driver now compiles, but I can't remember if it even works. I'll take a look soon. It indeed has some problems. If I use mtools, then any further access to the drive is ignored. I don't remember right now what message shows up in the dmesg logs, though. :-( Cheers, -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 20 2005, Rick Thomas wrote: Keep in mind that the *next* kernel will be even bigger. Sooner or later, even the fully modularized minimum configuration isn't going fit on a single floppy. There is current discussion on the lkml discussing which kernels one should use with small systems (like old 486s and such) and the consensus seems to be that one should use either a 2.6 kernel (perhaps using some of the linux-tiny patches) or use a really ancient kernel. I would say that if more of the linux-tiny patches were incorporated in the mainline kernel, then it would be a really nice addition. Regards, -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 21, 2005, at 6:21 PM, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 20 2005, Rick Thomas wrote: NewWorld Macs can boot off of CDs, so these boot floppies are only necessary for OldWorld PowerMacs, which, being out of production, have a fixed unchanging set of devices. That is false, as you can obviously upgrade your box with other devices and even the way of booting (e.g., by using a Tempo Trio card, which supports using IDE instead of the SCSI commonly found in OldWorld macs). You are, of course, correct in the larger context. But this was in the context of installation boot floppies, not general-purpose kernels. For a boot floppy kernel (or, if you prefer, second stage boot loader) all you need is the ability to talk to the console (serial and/or video) and keyboard, and read a floppy disk to get a driver module for the device you want to extract the installation kernel and initial ramdisk from. This make things somewhat easier. The APIs for the serial console, on-board video-frame-buffer, and floppy disk drive are unlikely to change given that Apple is not developing this kind of machine anymore. Of course, someone will need to write the driver modules for all the new hardware that can be hung off a PCI bus, but that's a different problem. Also, it's not as big a problem as writing a general-purpose driver for a new device. All the loadable driver module has to be able to do is read the kernel and initial ramdisk. It's the new kernel that gets stuck with all the heavy lifting or running the installation process. Of course, as Sven pointed out, you also need to have code to switch out one kernel and switch in another, which doesn't exist at this point in time. In any case, Sven didn't like the idea and I haven't got the time or expertise to do it myself, so it's not going to happen. There is current discussion on the lkml discussing which kernels one should use with small systems (like old 486s and such) and the consensus seems to be that one should use either a 2.6 kernel (perhaps using some of the linux-tiny patches) or use a really ancient kernel. I would say that if more of the linux-tiny patches were incorporated in the mainline kernel, then it would be a really nice addition. I'm not aware of linux-tiny. Where can I learn more about it? Enjoy! Rick
Re: powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 08:47:16PM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 20 2005, Rick Thomas wrote: Keep in mind that the *next* kernel will be even bigger. Sooner or later, even the fully modularized minimum configuration isn't going fit on a single floppy. There is current discussion on the lkml discussing which kernels one should use with small systems (like old 486s and such) and the consensus seems to be that one should use either a 2.6 kernel (perhaps using some of the linux-tiny patches) or use a really ancient kernel. I would say that if more of the linux-tiny patches were incorporated in the mainline kernel, then it would be a really nice addition. A bit of reality check here, we have around 1.3MB space on the miboot floppies, and current compressed miboot floppies arer 1.6MB or so, so we just need to unbloat it further 200/300kb (compressed though), which should be possible by modularizing lot of stuff, among those the pmac-ide is a good candidate. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 19, 2005, at 9:35 AM, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote: On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( The kernel don't fit anyway, and you can always use the sarge miboot floppies, or older daily builds and then upgrade, or use bootx with the normal installation, or even boot the .cofg kernel from OF directly. Hmmm... Would it be possible to build a boot floppy using a fixed-config stripped-down version of (say) the 2.4 kernel, with just enough features configured to get the real (e.g. 2.6.xxx) kernel off one of: CD, network, hard-disk, whatever media. It asks the user where the real kernel is, then retrieves it, loads it, and passes control to it. As proof of concept, it could use the non-free miboot until a free version becomes available. NewWorld Macs can boot off of CDs, so these boot floppies are only necessary for OldWorld PowerMacs, which, being out of production, have a fixed unchanging set of devices. So the initial boot kernel can be built with a fixed minimal unchanging configuration. Once a working config is constructed, there will never be any need to update it. What am I missing? Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 03:27:36AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: On Aug 19, 2005, at 9:35 AM, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote: On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( The kernel don't fit anyway, and you can always use the sarge miboot floppies, or older daily builds and then upgrade, or use bootx with the normal installation, or even boot the .cofg kernel from OF directly. Hmmm... Would it be possible to build a boot floppy using a fixed-config stripped-down version of (say) the 2.4 kernel, with just enough No, there will be no more 2.4 powerpc kernel in etch, people needing it absolutely will be able to use the sarge installer and upgrade for now. The plan is that in the year or so upto the etch release, we will trim down the 2.6 kernel to miboot-size, free miboot or find a better solution, and fix the miboot+2.6 worked once in oldenbourg 2004 and never since problem. Removing the legacy stuff will only encourage us to work on the real fix :) features configured to get the real (e.g. 2.6.xxx) kernel off one of: CD, network, hard-disk, whatever media. It asks the user where the real kernel is, then retrieves it, loads it, and passes control to it. As proof of concept, it could use the non-free miboot until a free version becomes available. Well, the sarge 2.4 miboot floppies already installs a 2.6 kernel (or should), and if what you are hinting at is on-the-fly takeover of kernels, this is not possible (yet :). NewWorld Macs can boot off of CDs, so these boot floppies are only necessary for OldWorld PowerMacs, which, being out of production, have a fixed unchanging set of devices. So the initial boot kernel can be built with a fixed minimal unchanging configuration. Once a working config is constructed, there will never be any need to update it. Well, we already build most stuff as modules, so we would just need the oldworld floppy driver builtin to load the initrd, and that is it. A good candidate for modularisation is the apple ide driver, which cannot be modularized right now, and a couple of other stuff, feel free to experiment with it. Now, there is also talk of a quikc-that-supports-floppies, so it would solve the miboot-is-non-free problem, and maybe even be able to load the initrd itself, so we would be able to modularize the floppy driver even. Or maybe even a quik-that-supports-cdrom would be even cooler :) What am I missing? I guess we just need someone to do the work, as usual, i have not the time right now, nor in the forseable future, neither has h0lger, so we need fresh blood with interest to work on the etch oldworld boot-floppies. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 19, 2005, Sven Luther wrote On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 03:27:36AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: . Hmmm... Would it be possible to build a boot floppy using a fixed-config stripped-down version of (say) the 2.4 kernel, with just enough No, there will be no more 2.4 powerpc kernel in etch, people needing it absolutely will be able to use the sarge installer and upgrade for now. The plan is that in the year or so upto the etch release, we will trim down the 2.6 kernel to miboot-size, free miboot or find a better solution, and fix the miboot+2.6 worked once in oldenbourg 2004 and never since problem. Removing the legacy stuff will only encourage us to work on the real fix :) features configured to get the real (e.g. 2.6.xxx) kernel off one of: CD, network, hard-disk, whatever media. It asks the user where the real kernel is, then retrieves it, loads it, and passes control to it. As proof of concept, it could use the non-free miboot until a free version becomes available. Well, the sarge 2.4 miboot floppies already installs a 2.6 kernel (or should), and if what you are hinting at is on-the-fly takeover of kernels, this is not possible (yet :). NewWorld Macs can boot off of CDs, so these boot floppies are only necessary for OldWorld PowerMacs, which, being out of production, have a fixed unchanging set of devices. So the initial boot kernel can be built with a fixed minimal unchanging configuration. Once a working config is constructed, there will never be any need to update it. Well, we already build most stuff as modules, so we would just need the oldworld floppy driver builtin to load the initrd, and that is it. A good candidate for modularisation is the apple ide driver, which cannot be modularized right now, and a couple of other stuff, feel free to experiment with it. Now, there is also talk of a quikc-that-supports-floppies, so it would solve the miboot-is-non-free problem, and maybe even be able to load the initrd itself, so we would be able to modularize the floppy driver even. Or maybe even a quik-that-supports-cdrom would be even cooler :) What am I missing? I guess we just need someone to do the work, as usual, i have not the time right now, nor in the forseable future, neither has h0lger, so we need fresh blood with interest to work on the etch oldworld boot-floppies. Hi Folks, One thing to keep in mind is that the swim3 driver in the Old World Pmacs hasn't been properly updated for the 2.6 series of kernels. Last I checked, I think the driver now compiles, but I can't remember if it even works. I'll take a look soon. A while back, I'd started looking at this driver with the purpose of getting it working, and learning about kernel driver programming. I had to drop it because of time constraints, etc ... But I think at the end of August, I should be able to spend some time on this again (i.e. getting the floppy driver working properly for 2.6)... If I can pull it off, I can lend a hand with boot floppies. I'm very attached to my 8500, and would like to keep it (fully) in service for as long as possible :) I had the driver somewhat cleaned up and working by replacing the old interrupt calling routines with the updated versions. but my changes were not SMP safe, and my attempts to put in SMP-safe interrupt calling primitives locked up the machine when I tested the driver. I need to go back and figure out how the driver works, and try to do the locking cleanly and properly. cheers vinai -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 20, 2005, at 4:14 AM, Sven Luther wrote: Well, the sarge 2.4 miboot floppies already installs a 2.6 kernel (or should), and if what you are hinting at is on-the-fly takeover of kernels, this is not possible (yet :). That's exactly what I was proposing (on-the-fly takeover of kernels). I didn't realize it was not possible (yet :). Since miboot does essentially that, it can't be hard. Oh well... *I* thought it was a good idea. Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 20, 2005, at 4:14 AM, Sven Luther wrote: The plan is that in the year or so upto the etch release, we will trim down the 2.6 kernel to miboot-size, free miboot or find a better solution, and fix the miboot+2.6 worked once in oldenbourg 2004 and never since problem. Removing the legacy stuff will only encourage us to work on the real fix :) Good luck on that. Keep in mind that the *next* kernel will be even bigger. Sooner or later, even the fully modularized minimum configuration isn't going fit on a single floppy. If you plan to rewrite miboot in the next 12 months, maybe that would be a good time to think about an architecture that eliminates the need for having the latest kernel on the floppy. Perhaps the first-stage boot-loader loads a second-stage boot-loader from the floppy in the form of a sub-miniature OS -- It really just needs to be capable of communicating with the console. Then use the console to ask the user where to get the full kernel-plus-modules from. The sub-min OS will need to have available driver-modules for CD/network/zip-disk/hard-disk/thumb-drive/tape/anything-you-can- imaging-loading-a-kernel-from, but those driver-modules don't have to be on the original boot floppy. Some kind of embedded-Linux would seem to be a good starting place. I'm sad to say that I don't have the time to help with this. I'm on the cusp myself. As a working sysadmin, I've just about decided that the OldWorld architecture is not worth supporting any more. Over time I'm planning to replace all my production OldWorld machines either with more modern (NewWorld) G3 and G4 desksides, retreaded as servers, or with Mac minis in applications that don't require the expandability of a PCI slot. I've enjoyed working with you on sarge, and I'd like to continue to help out where I can make a contribution. I'll probably hang onto a couple of OldWorld machines so I can help out with testing the etch stuff, but I don't plan on using it (etch on OldWorld) in production. I'll be fully converted to NewWorld before etch is ready. Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 03:52:13PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: On Aug 20, 2005, at 4:14 AM, Sven Luther wrote: Well, the sarge 2.4 miboot floppies already installs a 2.6 kernel (or should), and if what you are hinting at is on-the-fly takeover of kernels, this is not possible (yet :). That's exactly what I was proposing (on-the-fly takeover of kernels). I didn't realize it was not possible (yet :). Since miboot does essentially that, it can't be hard. Nope, miboot loads the kernel. First it is miboot running and then it launches the kernel, it is not two different kernels. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 20, 2005, at 11:34 AM, vinai wrote: One thing to keep in mind is that the swim3 driver in the Old World Pmacs hasn't been properly updated for the 2.6 series of kernels. Last I checked, I think the driver now compiles, but I can't remember if it even works. I'll take a look soon. A while back, I'd started looking at this driver with the purpose of getting it working, and learning about kernel driver programming. I had to drop it because of time constraints, etc ... But I think at the end of August, I should be able to spend some time on this again (i.e. getting the floppy driver working properly for 2.6)... If I can pull it off, I can lend a hand with boot floppies. I'm very attached to my 8500, and would like to keep it (fully) in service for as long as possible :) I had the driver somewhat cleaned up and working by replacing the old interrupt calling routines with the updated versions. but my changes were not SMP safe, and my attempts to put in SMP-safe interrupt calling primitives locked up the machine when I tested the driver. I need to go back and figure out how the driver works, and try to do the locking cleanly and properly. Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld Pmacs, since there are none-such? Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote: On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote: I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the operating system on the box. :-( The kernel don't fit anyway, and you can always use the sarge miboot floppies, or older daily builds and then upgrade, or use bootx with the normal installation, or even boot the .cofg kernel from OF directly. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
powerpc d-i daily builds reactivated, use 2.6.12 kernels, including 64bit kernels, miboot floppies dropped for now.
Hello, Since the 2.6.12 powerpc kernel in the archive now support 64bit kernels, thanks to the work of the toolchain guys with regard to biarch on ppc, i have uploaded kernel .udebs and triggered new reorganised daily builds of the sid debian-installer images. I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the non-freeness of miboot for the etch release. Also, as said, the power3 and power4 flavours have gone, replaced with a single powerpc64 one. Now, the 2.6.12 kernels are not yet in testing, so these images cannot be used to install etch, only sid, which may be broken for other reasons, and base-installer has been changed to know about the new kernels, so neither etch is installable for now, nor is sarge. Manty, can you also have a look at the cd/dvd isos generation stuff to take those new images and kernels in account, if not i will have a quick look next week. Also, the install/pegasos script on the sarge isos is empty, i wonder what happened there. Anyway, please all enjoy, test and provide feedback for these new images. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
