xorg-6.9.0
Hi all, last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: Recreating a xorg.conf by dpkg-reconfigure -> no success Switching from ati(radeon) driver to fbdev -> no success, but no freeze. Switching from 24 to 16 DefaultDepth + fbdev -> no success, X shows the wm splashscreen with an cross cursor similar to the twm one but shuts down after a while. Installing libgl1-mesa-dri in the hope r300 is used with radeon driver -> frozen machine. Are there significant changes from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 which I have overseen? Elimar -- >what IMHO then? IMHO - Inhalation of a Multi-leafed Herbal Opiate ;) --posting from alex in debian-user-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Elimar Riesebieter told: > Hi all, > > last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a > ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. > > Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: > > Recreating a xorg.conf by dpkg-reconfigure -> no success > > Switching from ati(radeon) driver to fbdev -> no success, but no > freeze. > > Switching from 24 to 16 DefaultDepth + fbdev -> no success, X shows > the wm splashscreen with an cross cursor similar to the twm one but > shuts down after a while. > > Installing libgl1-mesa-dri in the hope r300 is used with radeon > driver -> frozen machine. > > Are there significant changes from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 which I have > overseen? #345958 shows similar behaviour. Elimar -- .~. /V\ L I N U X /( )\ >Phear the Penguin< ^^-^^ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
Hi, I don't have this problem. I am using a vanilla kernel 2.6.15 + xdm + fvwm. I have a ibook : $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 cpu : 7447A, altivec supported clock : 599MHz revision: 0.1 (pvr 8003 0101) bogomips: 598.01 machine : PowerBook6,5 motherboard : PowerBook6,5 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh detected as : 287 (iBook G4) pmac flags : 001b L2 cache: 512K unified memory : 512MB pmac-generation : NewWorld regards, Bin On 1/8/06, Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a > ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. > > Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: > > Recreating a xorg.conf by dpkg-reconfigure -> no success > > Switching from ati(radeon) driver to fbdev -> no success, but no > freeze. > > Switching from 24 to 16 DefaultDepth + fbdev -> no success, X shows > the wm splashscreen with an cross cursor similar to the twm one but > shuts down after a while. > > Installing libgl1-mesa-dri in the hope r300 is used with radeon > driver -> frozen machine. > > Are there significant changes from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 which I have > overseen? > > Elimar > > -- > >what IMHO then? > IMHO - Inhalation of a Multi-leafed Herbal Opiate ;) > --posting from alex in debian-user-- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Bin Zhang told: > Hi, > I don't have this problem. I am using a vanilla kernel 2.6.15 + xdm + fvwm. > > I have a ibook : > $ cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > cpu : 7447A, altivec supported > clock : 599MHz > revision: 0.1 (pvr 8003 0101) > bogomips: 598.01 > machine : PowerBook6,5 > motherboard : PowerBook6,5 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh > detected as : 287 (iBook G4) > pmac flags : 001b > L2 cache: 512K unified > memory : 512MB > pmac-generation : NewWorld nvidia or ati? Elimar -- You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On 1/8/06, Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 the mental interface of > Bin Zhang told: > > > Hi, > > I don't have this problem. I am using a vanilla kernel 2.6.15 + xdm + fvwm. > > > > I have a ibook : > > $ cat /proc/cpuinfo > > processor : 0 > > cpu : 7447A, altivec supported > > clock : 599MHz > > revision: 0.1 (pvr 8003 0101) > > bogomips: 598.01 > > machine : PowerBook6,5 > > motherboard : PowerBook6,5 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh > > detected as : 287 (iBook G4) > > pmac flags : 001b > > L2 cache: 512K unified > > memory : 512MB > > pmac-generation : NewWorld > > nvidia or ati? ati driver radeon in xorg.conf It's a ibook g4 1.2GHz 12". Bin > > Elimar > > -- > You cannot propel yourself forward by > patting yourself on the back. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 03:03:08PM +0100, Bin Zhang wrote: > Hi, > I don't have this problem. I am using a vanilla kernel 2.6.15 + xdm + fvwm. > > I have a ibook : > $ cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > cpu : 7447A, altivec supported > clock : 599MHz > revision: 0.1 (pvr 8003 0101) > bogomips: 598.01 > machine : PowerBook6,5 > motherboard : PowerBook6,5 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh > detected as : 287 (iBook G4) > pmac flags : 001b > L2 cache: 512K unified > memory : 512MB > pmac-generation : NewWorld You probably have no r300 family of graphic chips on that machine though. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Sven Luther told: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 03:03:08PM +0100, Bin Zhang wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't have this problem. I am using a vanilla kernel 2.6.15 + xdm + fvwm. > > > > I have a ibook : > > $ cat /proc/cpuinfo > > processor : 0 > > cpu : 7447A, altivec supported > > clock : 599MHz > > revision: 0.1 (pvr 8003 0101) > > bogomips: 598.01 > > machine : PowerBook6,5 > > motherboard : PowerBook6,5 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh > > detected as : 287 (iBook G4) > > pmac flags : 001b > > L2 cache: 512K unified > > memory : 512MB > > pmac-generation : NewWorld > > You probably have no r300 family of graphic chips on that machine though. Please read careful, the above is Bin's machine. As I mentioned before, the symptoms are on a PowerBook5,6 with an ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] which should work with r300. But anyway with or without DRI: Xorg 6.9.0 definitely freezes my powerbook. Hough. -- Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On 1/8/06, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 03:03:08PM +0100, Bin Zhang wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't have this problem. I am using a vanilla kernel 2.6.15 + xdm + fvwm. > > > > I have a ibook : > > $ cat /proc/cpuinfo > > processor : 0 > > cpu : 7447A, altivec supported > > clock : 599MHz > > revision: 0.1 (pvr 8003 0101) > > bogomips: 598.01 > > machine : PowerBook6,5 > > motherboard : PowerBook6,5 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh > > detected as : 287 (iBook G4) > > pmac flags : 001b > > L2 cache: 512K unified > > memory : 512MB > > pmac-generation : NewWorld > > You probably have no r300 family of graphic chips on that machine though. > Yes. You are right. I have Radeon Mobility 9200. Thanks, Bin > Friendly, > > Sven Luther > >
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 14:13 +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > Hi all, > > last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a > ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. > > Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: > > Recreating a xorg.conf by dpkg-reconfigure -> no success > > Switching from ati(radeon) driver to fbdev -> no success, but no > freeze. > > Switching from 24 to 16 DefaultDepth + fbdev -> no success, X shows > the wm splashscreen with an cross cursor similar to the twm one but > shuts down after a while. > > Installing libgl1-mesa-dri in the hope r300 is used with radeon > driver -> frozen machine. Try moving the radeon DRM kernel module out of the way Ben. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Benjamin Herrenschmidt told: [...] > Try moving the radeon DRM kernel module out of the way agpgart and uninorth_agp where loaded. radeon resides in Sahara but: Machine frozen. No logs written :( Linux version 2.6.15-aragorn Elimar -- Never make anything simple and efficient when a way can be found to make it complex and wonderful ;-) pgpiV5L45Vzgf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 08:58:53PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 the mental interface of > Sven Luther told: > > > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 03:03:08PM +0100, Bin Zhang wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I don't have this problem. I am using a vanilla kernel 2.6.15 + xdm + > > > fvwm. > > > > > > I have a ibook : > > > $ cat /proc/cpuinfo > > > processor : 0 > > > cpu : 7447A, altivec supported > > > clock : 599MHz > > > revision: 0.1 (pvr 8003 0101) > > > bogomips: 598.01 > > > machine : PowerBook6,5 > > > motherboard : PowerBook6,5 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh > > > detected as : 287 (iBook G4) > > > pmac flags : 001b > > > L2 cache: 512K unified > > > memory : 512MB > > > pmac-generation : NewWorld > > > > You probably have no r300 family of graphic chips on that machine though. > > Please read careful, the above is Bin's machine. As I mentioned > before, the symptoms are on a PowerBook5,6 with an ATI Technologies > Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] which should work with r300. > But anyway with or without DRI: Xorg 6.9.0 definitely freezes my > powerbook. Sure, but Bin Zhang says he doesn't have this problem, but has he has a R200 family graphic chip only, it is not really all that conclusive, since your problem is probably with the r300 driver. Do you know if it still freezes if you disable accel, and where you able to see if the drm module is loaded even though dri is not used, since the drm module is used for 2d accel too. Also, debian-x, and/or a bug report against the X packages is probably a better way to handling this than posting (only) to debian-powerpc. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Sven Luther told: [...] > Also, debian-x, and/or a bug report against the X packages is probably a > better way to handling this than posting (only) to debian-powerpc. Again: In #345958 similar behavior is described ;) Elimar -- Never make anything simple and efficient when a way can be found to make it complex and wonderful ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
At Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:13:22 +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a > ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. > > Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: Just reporting that this is working fine on my iBook (PowerBook6,7), with an ATI M11 NV [FireGL Mobility T2e] (Mobility Radeon 9550 aka Apple). I didn't need to change anything on my configuration either. > Installing libgl1-mesa-dri in the hope r300 is used with radeon > driver -> frozen machine. I wanted to try this myself, since 3d acceleration would be nice. Apt tells me the package is not available though (also checked experimental). Did you install this from source? Ruben Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Ruben told: > > At Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:13:22 +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > > > last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a > > ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. > > > > Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > > console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: > > Just reporting that this is working fine on my iBook (PowerBook6,7), > with an ATI M11 NV [FireGL Mobility T2e] (Mobility Radeon 9550 aka > Apple). I didn't need to change anything on my configuration either. > > > Installing libgl1-mesa-dri in the hope r300 is used with radeon > > driver -> frozen machine. > > I wanted to try this myself, since 3d acceleration would be nice. Apt > tells me the package is not available though (also checked > experimental). Did you install this from source? You have to compile the mesa sources: apt-get source mesa. For me I've updated to 6.4.1. Elimar -- >what IMHO then? IMHO - Inhalation of a Multi-leafed Herbal Opiate ;) --posting from alex in debian-user-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Ruben told: > > At Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:13:22 +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > > > last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a > > ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. > > > > Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > > console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: > > Just reporting that this is working fine on my iBook (PowerBook6,7), > with an ATI M11 NV [FireGL Mobility T2e] (Mobility Radeon 9550 aka > Apple). I didn't need to change anything on my configuration either. This is my Device Section: Section "Device" Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]" Driver "radeon" Option "MergedFB" "no" Option "UseFBDev" "yes" Option "AGPSize" "16" Option "AGPMode" "4" EndSection Still freezes. Elimar -- Excellent day for drinking heavily. Spike the office water cooler;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
Hi, I just update my debian powerbook (the unstable sources) a few minutes ago and it freezes. I can't start gdm cause it just hang... How can I start console and what I can do to undo this.. should I tryied to reinstall the last stable packages? thanks for your time. Orlando. On 1/9/06, Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 the mental interface of > Ruben told: > > > > > At Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:13:22 +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > > > > > last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a > > > ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. > > > > > > Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > > > console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: > > > > Just reporting that this is working fine on my iBook (PowerBook6,7), > > with an ATI M11 NV [FireGL Mobility T2e] (Mobility Radeon 9550 aka > > Apple). I didn't need to change anything on my configuration either. > > This is my Device Section: > > Section "Device" > Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 > M10]" > Driver "radeon" > Option "MergedFB" "no" > Option "UseFBDev" "yes" > Option "AGPSize" "16" > Option "AGPMode" "4" > EndSection > > Still freezes. > > Elimar > > > > -- > Excellent day for drinking heavily. > Spike the office water cooler;-) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- --- Javier O. Ramírez Martínez Key fingerprint = E7D8 22DC 5B71 72DC A06A 61F4 D823 35ED 2E67 CFB2 linux.mty.itesm.mx/~oramirez
Re: xorg-6.9.0
At Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:20:59 +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Ruben told: > > > Just reporting that this is working fine on my iBook (PowerBook6,7), > > with an ATI M11 NV [FireGL Mobility T2e] (Mobility Radeon 9550 aka > > Apple). I didn't need to change anything on my configuration either. > > This is my Device Section: > > Section "Device" > Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 > M10]" > Driver "radeon" > Option "MergedFB" "no" > Option "UseFBDev" "yes" > Option "AGPSize" "16" > Option "AGPMode" "4" > EndSection > > Still freezes. Section "Device" Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. M11 NV [FireGL Mobility T2e]" Driver "ati" BusID "PCI:0:16:0" Option "UseFBDev" "true" EndSection I don't think I ever changed the xorg.conf generated during the installation. Didn't bother with it, since it worked. In the logs, I see it uses the Radeon driver and it disables MerfedFB since it's not compatible with USEFBDev. Ruben Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 14:13 +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: I see this too on my PowerBook5,6, no DRM compiled on this machine at all. johannes signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Johannes Berg told: > On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 14:13 +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > > Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > > console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: > > I see this too on my PowerBook5,6, no DRM compiled on this machine at > all. The changelog of 6.9.0.dfsg.1-3 doesn't tell me signifant changes which should solve aur problem. I am using 2.6.15. Which is yours? Elimar -- You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 06:53:25PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > > > I see this too on my PowerBook5,6, no DRM compiled on this machine at > > all. > > The changelog of 6.9.0.dfsg.1-3 doesn't tell me signifant changes > which should solve aur problem. I am using 2.6.15. Which is yours? This problems seems to be related to the radeon driver. It freezes my linux machine in the living room (x86) and with "X -configure" it spits the message at debian.pumuki.org/Xorg.0.log Cheers, -- Jesus Climent info:www.pumuki.org Unix SysAdm|Linux User #66350|Debian Developer|2.6.14|Helsinki Finland GPG: 1024D/86946D69 BB64 2339 1CAA 7064 E429 7E18 66FC 1D7F 8694 6D69 I've decided what to do with my life. I wanna be a cleaner. --Mathilda (Leon, the Cleaner) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
Elimar Riesebieter wrote: Hi all, last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: Recreating a xorg.conf by dpkg-reconfigure -> no success Switching from ati(radeon) driver to fbdev -> no success, but no freeze. Switching from 24 to 16 DefaultDepth + fbdev -> no success, X shows the wm splashscreen with an cross cursor similar to the twm one but shuts down after a while. Installing libgl1-mesa-dri in the hope r300 is used with radeon driver -> frozen machine. Are there significant changes from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 which I have overseen? Elimar I'm experiencing similar freezing on my powerbook 5,4 with ATI mobility radio 9600, after upgrading to 6.9.0 Have you figured out what's wrong at all? Could you point to any links, is it the ATI driver? I finally just downgraded back down to 6.8.2 after fiddling with it forever... jeez, what a waste of time for me. Thanks. Ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 18:53 +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > The changelog of 6.9.0.dfsg.1-3 doesn't tell me signifant changes > which should solve aur problem. I am using 2.6.15. Which is yours? still at 2.6.15-rc7. johannes signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Ben Racher told: [...] > I'm experiencing similar freezing on my powerbook 5,4 with ATI mobility radio > 9600, after upgrading to 6.9.0 Have you figured out what's wrong at all? > Could > you point to any links, is it the ATI driver? No, not really :( > I finally just downgraded back down to 6.8.2 after fiddling with > it forever... jeez, what a waste of time for me. You are not allone ;) Elimar -- Do you smell something burning or ist it me? pgpYaG3UEybOT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 the mental interface of Ben Racher told: > Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a > >ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. > > > >Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > >console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: > > > >Recreating a xorg.conf by dpkg-reconfigure -> no success > > > >Switching from ati(radeon) driver to fbdev -> no success, but no > >freeze. > > > >Switching from 24 to 16 DefaultDepth + fbdev -> no success, X shows > >the wm splashscreen with an cross cursor similar to the twm one but > >shuts down after a while. > > > >Installing libgl1-mesa-dri in the hope r300 is used with radeon > >driver -> frozen machine. > > > >Are there significant changes from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 which I have > >overseen? > > > >Elimar > > > > > I'm experiencing similar freezing on my powerbook 5,4 with ATI mobility radio > 9600, after upgrading to 6.9.0 Have you figured out what's wrong at all? > Could > you point to any links, is it the ATI driver? I finally just downgraded back > down to 6.8.2 after fiddling with it forever... jeez, what a waste of time > for > me. Thanks. I've tried http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/01/msg00680.html and were able to run X. But only in 2-D Mode. DRI doesn't work but freezes with both xlibmesa and libgl1-mesa. The newest DRI modules are in my kernel, though. The 2-D mode shows some errors related to my synaptic driver which I didn't investigate yet. Elimar -- .~. /V\ L I N U X /( )\ >Phear the Penguin< ^^-^^ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0
Hi, Since xorg 6.9 I have been having trouble in my powerbook and the ATI driver. I have follow some of the threads but still I get my X freeze. "dmesg | grep drm" gets this: [drm] Initialized radeon 1.19.0 20050911 on minor 0: I have the kernel 2.6.15.1. I enable the DRM modules from the kernel (radeon, my video card is ":00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]" I have this erros in the log of Xorg: ". ... (II) Loading sub module "drm" (II) LoadModule: "drm" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.so (EE) LoadModule: Module drm does not have a drmModuleData data object. (II) UnloadModule: "drm" (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.so (II) UnloadModule: "dri" (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.so (EE) Failed to load module "dri" (a required submodule could not be loaded, 0) (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.so (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation" .. " I would appreciate as much help as possible. Thanks for your time. Orlando. On 1/15/06, Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 the mental interface ofv > Ben Racher told: > > > Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > >last night I upgraded to xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2. First I had to do a > > >ldconfig by hand, because startx was complaining about missing libs. > > > > > >Starting X then freezes my PowerBook5,6 completely. No net, no > > >console. So I had to hard reset the machine. I tried the following: > > > > > >Recreating a xorg.conf by dpkg-reconfigure -> no success > > > > > >Switching from ati(radeon) driver to fbdev -> no success, but no > > >freeze. > > > > > >Switching from 24 to 16 DefaultDepth + fbdev -> no success, X shows > > >the wm splashscreen with an cross cursor similar to the twm one but > > >shuts down after a while. > > > > > >Installing libgl1-mesa-dri in the hope r300 is used with radeon > > >driver -> frozen machine. > > > > > >Are there significant changes from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 which I have > > >overseen? > > > > > >Elimar > > > > > > > > I'm experiencing similar freezing on my powerbook 5,4 with ATI mobility > > radio > > 9600, after upgrading to 6.9.0 Have you figured out what's wrong at all? > > Could > > you point to any links, is it the ATI driver? I finally just downgraded back > > down to 6.8.2 after fiddling with it forever... jeez, what a waste of time > > for > > me. Thanks. > > I've tried > http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/01/msg00680.html > and were able to run X. But only in 2-D Mode. DRI doesn't work but > freezes with both xlibmesa and libgl1-mesa. The newest DRI modules > are in my kernel, though. The 2-D mode shows some errors related to > my synaptic driver which I didn't investigate yet. > > Elimar > > > -- > .~. > /V\ L I N U X >/( )\ >Phear the Penguin< >^^-^^ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- --- Javier O. Ramírez Martínez Key fingerprint = E7D8 22DC 5B71 72DC A06A 61F4 D823 35ED 2E67 CFB2 linux.mty.itesm.mx/~oramirez
Re: xorg-6.9.0
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 14:03 +0100, Javier Ramirez wrote: > > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.so > (EE) LoadModule: Module drm does not have a drmModuleData data object. Is this /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.so as shipped by xserver-xorg? Note that /usr/lib/libdrm.so.2.0.0 from libdrm2 is not the same thing nor interchangeable. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
hi, on my tibook IV I kind of lost 3d accelleration since I upgraded xorg to 6.9.0 ... lspci: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250 Lf [FireGL 9000] (rev 01) (this is the 64mb version) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ glxinfo > /dev/null libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 5.0.3 r200 (screen 0) libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules-dri-trunk/dri/r200_dri.so drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::00:10.0 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 4, (OK) drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 4 drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci::00:10.0 libGL error: DDX DRI driver expected R200 version 4.0.x but got version 5.0.3 libGL error: InitDriver failed anyone knows what to do about this ? thanks in advance, x -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.net) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 18:34 +0100, CK wrote: > > on my tibook IV I kind of lost 3d accelleration since I upgraded xorg > to 6.9.0 ... > > lspci: > VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250 Lf [FireGL 9000] > (rev 01) > (this is the 64mb version) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ glxinfo > /dev/null > libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 5.0.3 r200 (screen 0) > libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules-dri-trunk/dri/r200_dri.so > drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::00:10.0 > drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 > drmOpenDevice: open result is 4, (OK) > drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 4 > drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci::00:10.0 > libGL error: > DDX DRI driver expected R200 version 4.0.x but got version 5.0.3 > libGL error: InitDriver failed > > > anyone knows what to do about this ? Remove xlibmesa-gl1-dri-trunk (and all the other dri-trunk packages, for that matter). -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Re: xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 06:59:24PM +0100, Michel D�nzer wrote: >On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 18:34 +0100, CK wrote: >> on my tibook IV I kind of lost 3d accelleration since I upgraded xorg >> to 6.9.0 ... >Remove xlibmesa-gl1-dri-trunk (and all the other dri-trunk packages, for >that matter). I have also lost DRI with 6.9. I have a pismo (r128). The log file (http://brianhv.org/temp/Xorg.0.log) shows direct rendering as being enabled, but glxinfo says it is not. I no longer have any dri-trunk packages installed. When I strace glxinfo, it shows that /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so is sought but not found. This file seems to only exist in xserver-xfree86. Config file is at http://brianhv.org/temp/xorg.conf Any ideas? Thanks! -- Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 23:46 -0500, Brian Victor wrote: > > When I strace glxinfo, BTW, you can just set LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose to debug problems like this, no need to mess with strace. > it shows that /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so is sought but not > found. You need to install xlibmesa-dri or libgl1-mesa-dri. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Re: xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 03:36:11PM +0100, Michel D�nzer wrote: >On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 23:46 -0500, Brian Victor wrote: >> When I strace glxinfo, >BTW, you can just set LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose to debug problems like this, >no need to mess with strace. Thanks for the tip! >> it shows that /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so is sought but not >> found. >You need to install xlibmesa-dri or libgl1-mesa-dri. I installed the former: ii xlibmesa-dri6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 And now I get: % LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo name of display: :0.0 libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 4.0.4 r128 (screen 0) libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_add_dispatch) libGL error: unable to find driver: r128_dri.so display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No -- Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 23:52 -0500, Brian Victor wrote: > > % LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo > name of display: :0.0 > libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 4.0.4 r128 (screen 0) > libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so > libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so failed > (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so: undefined symbol: > _glapi_add_dispatch) What does dpkg -S $(ldd $(which glxinfo)|grep libGL.so|cut -c16-|cut -d' ' -f1) say? -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Re: xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 10:42:00AM +0100, Michel D�nzer wrote: >On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 23:52 -0500, Brian Victor wrote: >> % LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo >> name of display: :0.0 >> libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 4.0.4 r128 (screen 0) >> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so >> libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so failed >> (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so: undefined symbol: >> _glapi_add_dispatch) >What does > >dpkg -S $(ldd $(which glxinfo)|grep libGL.so|cut -c16-|cut -d' ' -f1) > >say? % dpkg -S $(ldd $(which glxinfo)|grep libGL.so|cut -c16-|cut -d' ' -f1) xlibmesa-gl: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 -- Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 08:25 -0500, Brian Victor wrote: > > % dpkg -S $(ldd $(which glxinfo)|grep libGL.so|cut -c16-|cut -d' ' -f1) > xlibmesa-gl: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 Hmm, that looks fine... no idea what's up. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Re: xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 14:29 +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 08:25 -0500, Brian Victor wrote: > > > > % dpkg -S $(ldd $(which glxinfo)|grep libGL.so|cut -c16-|cut -d' ' -f1) > > xlibmesa-gl: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 > > Hmm, that looks fine... no idea what's up. For my radeon 9600 I need libgl1-mesa-glx and not xlibmesa-gl -- Yves-Alexis Perez signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 21:34 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 14:29 +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 08:25 -0500, Brian Victor wrote:
> > >
> > > % dpkg -S $(ldd $(which glxinfo)|grep libGL.so|cut -c16-|cut -d' ' -f1)
> > > xlibmesa-gl: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1
> >
> > Hmm, that looks fine... no idea what's up.
>
> For my radeon 9600 I need libgl1-mesa-glx and not xlibmesa-gl
That's because xlibmesa-dri doesn't have the r300 driver. It doesn't
explain why xlibmesa-{gl,dri} aren't working for him, but
libgl1-mesa-{glx,dri} might be worth a try anyway.
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Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Re: xorg 6.9.0 and DRI
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 01:33:25AM +0100, Michel D�nzer wrote:
>On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 21:34 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
>> On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 14:29 +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 08:25 -0500, Brian Victor wrote:
>> > >
>> > > % dpkg -S $(ldd $(which glxinfo)|grep libGL.so|cut -c16-|cut -d' ' -f1)
>> > > xlibmesa-gl: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1
>> > Hmm, that looks fine... no idea what's up.
>> For my radeon 9600 I need libgl1-mesa-glx and not xlibmesa-gl
>That's because xlibmesa-dri doesn't have the r300 driver. It doesn't
>explain why xlibmesa-{gl,dri} aren't working for him, but
>libgl1-mesa-{glx,dri} might be worth a try anyway.
Well, I'm not sure how it happened, but it looks like my libGL.so.1
wasn't the right copy. Maybe I did something wacky when I compiled a
prerelease of Xorg, but regardless, I moved that out of the way and DRI
seems to be working now. Thanks for your help!
--
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xorg-6.9.0 and nautilus-2.12.2-1
Hi list: Just upgraded my pbook with a nvidia card to xorg-6.9.0 and everything seems to work ok except nautilus (my version is 2.12.2-1), the desktop is drawn corrupted, every other application works ok. I've isolated the problem and if I downgrade _only_ xserver-xorg to 6.8.2 nautilus works ok. Anyone is experimenting this behaviour? A. Corbi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0 and nautilus-2.12.2-1
Le lundi 09 janvier 2006 à 11:00 +0100, Antonio-M. Corbi Bellot a écrit : > Hi list: > > Just upgraded my pbook with a nvidia card to xorg-6.9.0 and everything > seems to work ok except nautilus (my version is 2.12.2-1), the desktop > is drawn corrupted, every other application works ok. > > I've isolated the problem and if I downgrade _only_ xserver-xorg to > 6.8.2 nautilus works ok. > > Anyone is experimenting this behaviour? > I'm running X.Org version: 6.9.0 and Gnome nautilus 2.12.2, I don't have this problem neither x86 or ppc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0 and nautilus-2.12.2-1
At Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:00:56 +0100, Antonio-M. Corbi Bellot wrote: > > Hi list: > > Just upgraded my pbook with a nvidia card to xorg-6.9.0 and everything > seems to work ok except nautilus (my version is 2.12.2-1), the desktop > is drawn corrupted, every other application works ok. > > I've isolated the problem and if I downgrade _only_ xserver-xorg to > 6.8.2 nautilus works ok. > > Anyone is experimenting this behaviour? On an iBook G4 1.33Ghz: Yesterday, after upgrading to 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2 (and restarting X), everything was fine, except the desktop was drawn corrupted, just like you say. The desktop was fine initially, but moving windows left 'trails', desktop icons were drawn twice on slighlty different positions. After booting up my laptop this morning, everything seemed fine, no trails anymore, but now something is wrong with nautilus: the background in a nautilus window shows part of itself, with the icons drawn on top of that, the information window on the left suffers from the same problem. This is with nautilus 2.10.1-5. Ruben ps: I assume you are using Gnome 1.12? How did you install this.. by temporarily giving high priority (in /etc/apt/preferences) to the experimental archive for installing Gnome? That's the only way I can think of, but it seems far from ideal. Or is there a way to force pulling dependencies from experimental when doing apt-get gnome/experimental? Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0 and nautilus-2.12.2-1
El lun, 09-01-2006 a las 14:45 +0100, Ruben escribió: > On an iBook G4 1.33Ghz: > Yesterday, after upgrading to 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2 (and restarting X), > everything was fine, except the desktop was drawn corrupted, just like > you say. The desktop was fine initially, but moving windows left > 'trails', desktop icons were drawn twice on slighlty different > positions. > After booting up my laptop this morning, everything seemed fine, no > trails anymore, but now something is wrong with nautilus: the > background in a nautilus window shows part of itself, with the icons > drawn on top of that, the information window on the left suffers from > the same problem. This is with nautilus 2.10.1-5. I think is something related to bug #345885, at least what is described there is _exactly_ what happens to me, only that the solution suggested at the end: (Option "AccelMethod" "EXA") does not work for me :( > Ruben > > ps: I assume you are using Gnome 1.12? How did you install this.. by > temporarily giving high priority (in /etc/apt/preferences) to the > experimental archive for installing Gnome? That's the only way I can > think of, but it seems far from ideal. Or is there a way to force > pulling dependencies from experimental when doing apt-get > gnome/experimental? Yes I use gnome-2.12.x since it was in experimental, now it's (or almost) in unstable. A. Corbi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0 and nautilus-2.12.2-1
Ruben wrote: > ps: I assume you are using Gnome 1.12? How did you install this.. by > temporarily giving high priority (in /etc/apt/preferences) to the > experimental archive for installing Gnome? That's the only way I can > think of, but it seems far from ideal. Or is there a way to force > pulling dependencies from experimental when doing apt-get > gnome/experimental? you could do: apt-get -t experimental install gnome-desktop-environment -- Yves-Alexis Perez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: xorg-6.9.0 and nautilus-2.12.2-1
At Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:20:37 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > Ruben wrote: > > ps: I assume you are using Gnome 1.12? How did you install this.. by > > temporarily giving high priority (in /etc/apt/preferences) to the > > experimental archive for installing Gnome? That's the only way I can > > think of, but it seems far from ideal. Or is there a way to force > > pulling dependencies from experimental when doing apt-get > > gnome/experimental? > > you could do: > > apt-get -t experimental install gnome-desktop-environment Thanks!! I actually know that command, but I always used package/experimental, I thought both meant the same, but there is a difference. Ruben Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0 and nautilus-2.12.2-1
"Antonio-M. Corbi Bellot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just upgraded my pbook with a nvidia card to xorg-6.9.0 and everything > seems to work ok except nautilus (my version is 2.12.2-1), the desktop > is drawn corrupted, every other application works ok. I experience the same problem. For the time being I disabled nautilus' ability to redraw desktop using the command... gconftool -2 -s /apps/nautilius/preferences/show_desktop -t bool false -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0 and nautilus-2.12.2-1
El mar, 10-01-2006 a las 23:58 -0500, Shreyas Ananthan escribió: > "Antonio-M. Corbi Bellot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Just upgraded my pbook with a nvidia card to xorg-6.9.0 and everything > > seems to work ok except nautilus (my version is 2.12.2-1), the desktop > > is drawn corrupted, every other application works ok. > > I experience the same problem. For the time being I disabled nautilus' > ability to redraw desktop using the command... > > gconftool -2 -s /apps/nautilius/preferences/show_desktop -t bool false Hi Shreyas! No need to do that, you only need to use a 'solid color' for your desktop background and nautilus draws the desktop correctly (no ghost images, no trails moving windows, etc..) A. Corbi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0 and nautilus-2.12.2-1
Hi, Thanks for the information. I will try that. Shreyas. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg-6.9.0 and nautilus-2.12.2-1
At Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:45:03 +0100, Antonio-M. Corbi Bellot wrote: > > I think is something related to bug #345885, at least what is described > there is _exactly_ what happens to me, only that the solution suggested > at the end: (Option "AccelMethod" "EXA") does not work for me :( This morning, after some updates from unstable, I had the exact same problem. In my case, that solution does work however, but I have a ATI/Radeon. (the 'nv' driver does not yet have EXA implemented) Ruben Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
