Re: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
What do you think? Do you agree I can use this as policy for the decisions of additions/removals on the page? I agree. :-)
Re: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
On 2004-11-01 16:14:35 + Noèl Köthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after long time I started working on http://www.debian.org/consultants/ to get it into a usefull page again. Right now there a alot of entries outdated and there is no sorting in the countries. Thank you for working on this. I thought they were sorted by date received in the countries? 1. working URL entry 2. reachable E-Mail entry 3. on the webpage should be mentioned that the person/company is doing Debian work [...] What do you think? Please be careful about what you call bounces. It is possible that consultants currently busy are using semi-automatic auto-replies which the enquiry may trigger. If you just mean User Unknown and similar, that's fine. Please give a warning/grace time before delisting. Do you agree I can use this as policy for the decisions of additions/removals on the page? Please clarify the above. -- MJR/slefMy Opinion Only and not of any group I know Creative copyleft computing - http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Will HLF fund tree-killings? http://www.thewalks.co.uk/ RFC3156 defines security multipart formats for MIME with OpenPGP. pgpNXuefz9dSw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Hyrican Informationssysteme AG
Am 2004-10-27 12:15:32, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sehr geehrtes Debian-Team, :-) wir benötigen bitte Info, wie wir Ihr Produkt Debian Distribution Linux in einer öffentlich Ausschreibung anbieten können. Gibt es öffentliche Ausschreibung ? Dann müßen sie Doch wissen as sie tun... in Deutschland eine Art Vertriebspartner? Wenn ja, können Sie uns bitte einen Konatkt herstellen? Bieten Sie Linux-Services an oder suchen sie Firmen, die Linux-Services (auf Basis von Debian) anbieten ? Also firmen die Linux-Services anbeiten finden sie auf debian-consultants und auf der Webseite. Ich persönlich bediene nur Strasbourg und Baden- Würtembergische Umgebung. Vielen Dank! Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heiko Nahm Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Common Criteria Certification
Am 2004-10-29 10:45:26, schrieb Joe Covert: We are considering using Debian as our OS of choice. Is Debian Common Criteria Certified and if not are there plans to get certification. I am working for the french governement and I tell you, Debian as distribution can not be under CC-EAL1. We, in France have Certified around 270 Packages to EAL4 but the problem is that the Upstream-Authors must follow strict guidlines to keep this Status. Exactly, it is impossibel with Debian to get more then EAL2. I think Debian itself not, but a enterprise or suborganization of Debian CAN do this with selected packages for Intranet or Workstations. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7692 Thanks ahead, Joe Covert Information System Security Manager Fleet Numerical METOC Detachment Asheville, NC 28801 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (828) 271-4232 Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Hyrican Informationssysteme AG
* Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-11-01 20:54]: Bieten Sie Linux-Services an oder suchen sie Firmen, die Linux-Services (auf Basis von Debian) anbieten ? Also firmen die Linux-Services anbeiten finden sie auf debian-consultants und auf der Webseite. http://www.debian.org/consultants/#Germany http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#de -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/
Re: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
Am Montag, den 01.11.2004, 16:37 + schrieb MJ Ray: Hi, after long time I started working on http://www.debian.org/consultants/ to get it into a usefull page again. Right now there a alot of entries outdated and there is no sorting in the countries. Thank you for working on this. I thought they were sorted by date received in the countries? This is correct but its not described anywhere and not helpfull for the people which are looking on the page.:) 1. working URL entry 2. reachable E-Mail entry 3. on the webpage should be mentioned that the person/company is doing Debian work [...] What do you think? Please be careful about what you call bounces. It is possible that consultants currently busy are using semi-automatic auto-replies which the enquiry may trigger. If you just mean User Unknown and similar, that's fine. I agree, but if I send a mail to an e-mail address and ask something then I should get an answer in lets say 4 weeks. This is a list of consultants which we (Debian) are pointing our users so there should be a minimum of reaction. Please give a warning/grace time before delisting. Yes. If the mail doesn't bounce back (domain or user unknown or no MX record) there will be send a mail. BTW: Please break lines. -- Noèl Köthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Credativ GmbH, www.credativ.de signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
Am Montag, den 01.11.2004, 18:01 +0100 schrieb martin f krafft: also sprach Noèl Köthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.11.01.1714 +0100]: 1. working URL entry (if it timeouts its OK but if the URL doesn't resolve or the domain isn't connected anymore the entry will be removed) I don't operate a website and do not plan on doing so. Please do Why? -- Noèl Köthe noel debian.org Debian GNU/Linux, www.debian.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
also sprach Noèl Köthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.11.01.2120 +0100]: I don't operate a website and do not plan on doing so. Please do Why? Why should I? I work locally and my clients refer each other to me. That has worked for me for years. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
Am Montag, den 01.11.2004, 21:28 +0100 schrieb martin f krafft: I don't operate a website and do not plan on doing so. Please do Why? Why should I? I work locally and my clients refer each other to me. That has worked for me for years. So you dont need to be listed there?;) The problem I have, is to get facts how to decide who will be listed and who not because the entry will be wrong on the page. Maybe its not clear to everybody so examples: 1. Would a microsoft.com/sco.com/.../suse.com entry be OK? Why not if they build a debian package for xyz and offering support? (retorical extreme question! no need to be answered;)) 2. Or an other example: Name: John Brahy Company: NNL Software ... URL: http://www.brahy.com What would be the reason why we should remove him from the list (maybe until the URL is removed or there will be other content)? 3. an offshore example Name: Hemanth Kumar A Company: Clavib ... URL: http://www.clavib.com/ I hope you all get my point. In the past we added everything, really everthing to this list whithout quality checks.:( They cannot be done whithout a mini policy, imho. We have addition requests where it looks like a company now works with Linux and the sales man mails us to be added. What should we do with such thinks? What is the intention of this list? IMHO /consultants/ is a list of people who could be hired for Debian work. We (Debian) should have a minimum of quality in this list or the list will become more or less useless for the user. I'm hoping everybody gets my point. -- Noèl Köthe noel debian.org Debian GNU/Linux, www.debian.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
Am Montag, den 01.11.2004, 22:03 +0100 schrieb martin f krafft: So you dont need to be listed there?;) Well, I'd say 'touché', but I don't think so. Being listed there is *is* helpful, and it's like a phone book entry. Being listed in the phone book or on a reference page like this should not require a web page, should it? Hmm, we both have differnt opinion. OK. I hope you all get my point. No, not really. :( Sadly you dont comment the last 2 examples. How to handle them? I want a way how to handle them and not discuss URL vs non-URL. In the past we added everything, really everthing to this list whithout quality checks.:( They cannot be done whithout a mini policy, imho. What does a web page have to do with quality of service, or even with availability? I could check it without sending mails were I always get back Yes, we do everything and are the best. Sure it can be done on the webpage, too but The user (this is why we have this way) can inform himself about the company/consultant. This is the intention of the web. The next one will come and say: I have no e-mail or dont not want to give it to you because phonenumber is enough to contact me? How to handle this? We (Debian) should have a minimum of quality in this list or the list will become more or less useless for the user. Well, I fundamentally agree. But then, please assess quality, and not web presence. OK. Then tell me a useable way how to handle the 3 examples? You are just saying my way is wrong but dont show a better way. This might be the usual Debian way but it doesn't help me.:( Doing it the way we did is wrong (I think we all agree here) and it has to change imho. Or should it be decided by a person just like he wants it? -- Noèl Köthe noel debian.org Debian GNU/Linux, www.debian.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
also sprach Noèl Köthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.11.01.2228 +0100]: :( Sadly you dont comment the last 2 examples. How to handle them? I want a way how to handle them and not discuss URL vs non-URL. I see no reason not to list Hemanth Kumar. However, John Brahy should be asked to remove the URL. The next one will come and say: I have no e-mail or dont not want to give it to you because phonenumber is enough to contact me? How to handle this? Think about the client: the harder it is to reach the person, the more unlikely will be the business. OK. Then tell me a useable way how to handle the 3 examples? I find 1 and 3 okay. I find 2 okay when Brahy either lists a relevant URL or none at all. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Re: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
Am 2004-11-01 21:28:26, schrieb martin f krafft: also sprach Noèl Köthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.11.01.2120 +0100]: I don't operate a website and do not plan on doing so. Please do Why? Why should I? I work locally and my clients refer each other to me. That has worked for me for years. You are not alone... I had my first client in end of 1999 in Strasbourg and the I have gotten more then 100 between Colmar (FR), Mulhouse (FR), Strasbourg (FR) , Offenburg (DE), Lahr (DE)and Freiburg (DE). never had to pay for publicity :-) But now I run my Website on a ADSL 1024/128kBit Enough for it. Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
On 2004-11-01 20:14:38 + Noèl Köthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 01.11.2004, 16:37 + schrieb MJ Ray: Thank you for working on this. I thought they were sorted by date received in the countries? This is correct but its not described anywhere and not helpfull for the people which are looking on the page.:) It is described at the start of the second paragraph of http://www.debian.org/consultants/ in the languages I can understand. I agree, but if I send a mail to an e-mail address and ask something then I should get an answer in lets say 4 weeks. This is a list of consultants which we (Debian) are pointing our users so there should be a minimum of reaction. Agreed. BTW: Please break lines. There is a bug in this version of GNUMail with UTF-8, it seems. -- MJR/slefMy Opinion Only and not of any group I know Creative copyleft computing - http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Unsolicited attachments to the pipex address deleted Will HLF fund tree-killings? http://www.thewalks.co.uk/
http://www.debian.org/consultants/ policy
Hello, after long time I started working on http://www.debian.org/consultants/ to get it into a usefull page again. Right now there a alot of entries outdated and there is no sorting in the countries. The first step I want to discuss with you is that right now there is no real policy about who will be added to this page. In my opinion these minimal policy should be enough: 1. working URL entry (if it timeouts its OK but if the URL doesn't resolve or the domain isn't connected anymore the entry will be removed) 2. reachable E-Mail entry (e-mail doesn't bounce and there will be an answer in the following 4 weeks) 3. on the webpage should be mentioned that the person/company is doing Debian work The information are the reasons why people will look on the consultants page. What do you think? Do you agree I can use this as policy for the decisions of additions/removals on the page? -- Noèl Köthe noel debian.org Debian GNU/Linux, www.debian.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
