Re: Debian Women Software Freedom Day activities

2005-09-08 Thread Simon Richter

Hi,

Helen Faulkner wrote:


1) [...] #debian-women-new on oftc [...]



3) [...] #debian-bugs channel on freenode [...]


Is it really a good idea to have these on separate networks? I think 
that some one the new people might be interested in lurking at a BSP, 
and this would make it somehow difficult for them as even I as a regular 
IRC user have problems when connecting to multiple networks at once, so 
I'd expect more problems to arise for people who haven't been IRCing the 
last 10 years.


   Simon (who just forwarded that email)


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Re: Debian Women Software Freedom Day activities

2005-09-08 Thread Helen Faulkner
Simon Richter wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Helen Faulkner wrote:
 
 1) [...] #debian-women-new on oftc [...]
 
 
 3) [...] #debian-bugs channel on freenode [...]
 
 
 Is it really a good idea to have these on separate networks? I think
 that some one the new people might be interested in lurking at a BSP,
 and this would make it somehow difficult for them as even I as a regular
 IRC user have problems when connecting to multiple networks at once, so
 I'd expect more problems to arise for people who haven't been IRCing the
 last 10 years.

Yes, I know it's a problem.  The main #debian-women channel is on oftc, which
makes oftc the best choice for #debian-women-new, and I believe that
#debian-bugs on freenode is the usual bugsquashing channel.  Hence the problem.
 I hope that anyone really interested in bugsquashing will be able to deal with
the different networks, or switch to an IRC client that makes it easier, or ask
somewhere to find out.

Simon (who just forwarded that email)

Thanks for forwarding it! (presumably to someone who is potentially interested)

Helen


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Re: Debian Women Software Freedom Day activities

2005-09-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 09:28:27PM +1000, Helen Faulkner wrote:
 Simon Richter wrote:

  Helen Faulkner wrote:

  1) [...] #debian-women-new on oftc [...]

  3) [...] #debian-bugs channel on freenode [...]

  Is it really a good idea to have these on separate networks? I think
  that some one the new people might be interested in lurking at a BSP,
  and this would make it somehow difficult for them as even I as a regular
  IRC user have problems when connecting to multiple networks at once, so
  I'd expect more problems to arise for people who haven't been IRCing the
  last 10 years.

 Yes, I know it's a problem.  The main #debian-women channel is on oftc, which
 makes oftc the best choice for #debian-women-new, and I believe that
 #debian-bugs on freenode is the usual bugsquashing channel.  Hence the 
 problem.
  I hope that anyone really interested in bugsquashing will be able to deal 
 with
 the different networks, or switch to an IRC client that makes it easier, or 
 ask
 somewhere to find out.

Well, a formal announcement of the BSP is pending; and the rule on BSPs
is that the organizer gets to pick where it happens, so it's not too
late to move that to OFTC if it's agreed that's a better option.

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Re: Debian UK

2005-09-08 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Rich Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 If that organisation operates for a period of time, then a court
 would need convincing that the members were not jointly and
 severally liable for the liabilities of that organisation.

I get more and more happy that I moved out of that country.

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NOT INTERESTED!

2005-09-08 Thread KABDELAL


Hi,

I NOT WANT YOUR DEBIAN PACKAGE AT ALL. STOP BLOCKING THE FREEMAIL.HU WEB SITE. 

I AM NOT INTERESTED! TAKE YOUR DEBIAN HOME PAGE AWAY! STOP BLOCKING!


Re: Debian Women Software Freedom Day activities

2005-09-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 04:43:45AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
 Well, a formal announcement of the BSP is pending; and the rule on BSPs
 is that the organizer gets to pick where it happens, so it's not too
 late to move that to OFTC if it's agreed that's a better option.

Shall we switch to usertags too for claiming bugs, then?

To claim a bug, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with something like:

   user [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   usertag 123456 + [EMAIL PROTECTED]

to claim a bug, and

   http://bugs.debian.org/usertag:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

to view claimed bugs. Maybe the existing tags (I imported them last
weekend) should be cleared, at least from the unfixed bugs?

Cheers,
aj



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Re: Debian Women Software Freedom Day activities

2005-09-08 Thread Margarita Manterola
On 9/8/05, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:

 To claim a bug, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with something like:
 
user [EMAIL PROTECTED]
usertag 123456 + [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 to claim a bug, and
 
http://bugs.debian.org/usertag:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 to view claimed bugs. Maybe the existing tags (I imported them last
 weekend) should be cleared, at least from the unfixed bugs?

How about some url that shows all the RC bugs, and shows which of
those are tagged by [EMAIL PROTECTED] and which aren't?

I tried to do this myself, but I still don't have the needed expertise
on BTS urls.

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Besos,
Marga



Re: Debian UK

2005-09-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:40:23PM +0100, Rich Walker wrote:
 In the UK, VAT registration is *required* if you are in business[1]
 and your 12-month *turnover* exceeds £6. Probably this is not an
 issue for this organisation at present.

VAT registration isn't the one you need to worry about. Debian-UK
isn't going to be shifting that much money in a hurry.

Corporation Tax is the one to worry about. The limit for that is only
£10,000 per financial year. I just ran a few quick projections based
on the reports in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives, and it's reasonably
likely that it'll be over that limit next year, given the current rate
of growth in sales. It might be over this year, that's hard to
predict. Corporation Tax also applies to members associations, clubs
and societies at the same rate as for registered companies. Basically
any group of two or more people that handles money and isn't a charity
is going to have to pay Corporation Tax; HMRC's definition of
company is anything that owes us money and isn't an individual
citizen.

Corporation Tax requires annual tax returns and notification that the
company exists, and HMRC is going to come along and audit anything as
weird as Debian-UK fairly quickly, so the accounts had better be in
order, backdated six years. Failure to file the tax returns in a
timely manner results in a fine of £100/£200 plus 10%/20% of the
unpaid tax, depending on how untimely you are. Failure to have your
accounts in order when they audit results in HMRC conducting an
autopsy of the company.

It may also require a tax return to be filed for years when the
association is below the limit. I'm not sure about that. If it does,
the same penalties apply. Ask a chartered accountant.

And those penalties can probably be applied against any members, since
it's not incorporated with limits on liability.

Bugger.

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Re: Debian UK

2005-09-08 Thread Rich Walker
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:40:23PM +0100, Rich Walker wrote:
 In the UK, VAT registration is *required* if you are in business[1]
 and your 12-month *turnover* exceeds £6. Probably this is not an
 issue for this organisation at present.

 VAT registration isn't the one you need to worry about. Debian-UK
 isn't going to be shifting that much money in a hurry.

 Corporation Tax is the one to worry about. The limit for that is only
 £10,000 per financial year. I just ran a few quick projections based
 on the reports in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives, and it's reasonably
 likely that it'll be over that limit next year, given the current rate
 of growth in sales. It might be over this year, that's hard to

Well spotted, that man.

 predict. Corporation Tax also applies to members associations, clubs
 and societies at the same rate as for registered companies. Basically
 any group of two or more people that handles money and isn't a charity
 is going to have to pay Corporation Tax; HMRC's definition of
 company is anything that owes us money and isn't an individual
 citizen.

 Corporation Tax requires annual tax returns and notification that the
 company exists, and HMRC is going to come along and audit anything as
 weird as Debian-UK fairly quickly, so the accounts had better be in
 order, backdated six years. Failure to file the tax returns in a
 timely manner results in a fine of £100/£200 plus 10%/20% of the
 unpaid tax, depending on how untimely you are. Failure to have your
 accounts in order when they audit results in HMRC conducting an
 autopsy of the company.

I assume that someone is even now writing a quick script to import the
historical accounts into sql-ledger (which does a pretty good job of it)
so the previous years reports can be produced on demand?


 It may also require a tax return to be filed for years when the
 association is below the limit. I'm not sure about that. If it does,
 the same penalties apply. Ask a chartered accountant.

 And those penalties can probably be applied against any members, since
 it's not incorporated with limits on liability.

Incorporate a company limited by guarantee, rather than a company
limited by shares. (Avoids the whole shareholder issue; and they're
expected to be a bit weird).


 Bugger.

No, that's what the taxman might do.

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Re: NOT INTERESTED!

2005-09-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thursday 08 September 2005 09:54 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I NOT WANT YOUR DEBIAN PACKAGE AT ALL. STOP BLOCKING THE FREEMAIL.HU WEB
 SITE.

It's also clear you're not interested in having a clue.  Please stop blocking 
any hint of having a clue.


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Re: Debian Women Software Freedom Day activities

2005-09-08 Thread Helen Faulkner
Steve Langasek wrote:

 Well, a formal announcement of the BSP is pending; and the rule on BSPs
 is that the organizer gets to pick where it happens, so it's not too
 late to move that to OFTC if it's agreed that's a better option.
 

It seems this has been done.  The Debian Women bugsquashing will be held in
#debian-bugs on oftc [1].

Helen

1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg4.html


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