Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 06:16:43PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
  I'd like to ask that we keep the discussion period for this open
  until the SPI elections are completed and the new board has an
  opportunity to comment. 
 While I have no interest in rushing this proposal to a vote,
  and would like for us to have ample time to consider all angles and
  options, I should also note that the SPI board has no say in
  Debian's technical or nontechnical decisions, including our
  foundation documents.

That's true, but I think it's appropriate to give them a chance to voice
that opinion as a group -- relationships don't work if the parties don't
listen to each other, even when they don't have to.

 Is there something I am missing about why a Debian GR should
  wait until the SPI board has time to deliberate on it and tell us the
  results of their reflections?

No, I don't think so. I just think it's valuable for us to make sure we
have the benefit of their input.

Cheers,
aj



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Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-22 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060722 01:20]:
 While I have no interest in rushing this proposal to a vote,
  and would like for us to have ample time to consider all angles and
  options, I should also note that the SPI board has no say in
  Debian's technical or nontechnical decisions, including our
  foundation documents.
 
 So current and prospective members of SPI's board may voice
  their opinions on this mailing list (as may anyone else, for that
  matter, since list posting is wide open), I see no reason to wait
  until SPI's board has made an official statement (since that has no
  bearing, etc).
 
 Is there something I am missing about why a Debian GR should
  wait until the SPI board has time to deliberate on it and tell us the
  results of their reflections?

A GR should wait - within reasonable time - until developers can have
the information they need for a informed decision. Changing something
important like this without some statement from the people directly
involved in this would otherwise look so rushed that at least my
caution would default me to oppose any change.

Hochachtungsvoll,
Bernhard R. Link


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Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-22 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Friday 21 July 2006 17:54, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
 On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:18:44 +0200, Bas Zoetekouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

  I don't think it makes sense that the Debian constitution determines
  who can become a member of SPI.  That is something that should be
  (and probably is) described in SPI's bylaws.

 This is true.  There seems no reason to mention this in the
  constitution, since an action by the SPI board can change that, and
  the constitution amendment would be required to marry the
  constitution with reality.

 What would the seconders feel about deleting this sentence
  from the proposed draft?

Yep, makes sense.

Seconded as thus amended, with the editorial change proposed by vorlon as 
well (Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED])

Btw, I agree with ajt that the discussion period should be kept open until 
SPI board election is over.  There's no need to wait for a statement of SPI 
(you say, correctly, that they don't have any official role in this 
process), but giving the newly elected board a week to comment if they like 
would be nice.

cheers
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Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-22 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Saturday 22 July 2006 01:05, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

 Here is the latest draft of the proposal. [...]
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Seconded.

Nitpicking:

move this space character
 +6. Together with the Project Leader  make decisions about
  ^
to here:
  to be ownedby any of a number of organisations as detailed in +  §9.2
  ^

cheers
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Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-22 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Manoj Srivastava date=Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 06:05:38PM -0500
  At last count, the following had sconded the previous draft, I hope
  there is no problem with the changes made with this version.

I have no problem with these changes.

Regards,
Mako


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