Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I do hope that debian can overcome the recent of firefox. It is nice for them
to show their true colors.

That being said I hope that debian can muster enough support to fork firefox
into a new browser. One in which is truly free  and embraces opensource.

A few of us our starting a foundation of sorts unrelated to debian, but we
are waiting for any new developments concerning the web browser issue. We
hope to include a debain based opensource web browser. 

I am aware of the many opensource web browsers, but we do not wish to use
gnome or kde just to use one browser. 

Please, challenge googlefox.. I mean firefox. The opensource movement will
surely follow. Thanks  best of luck.


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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 09:34:30PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I do hope that debian can overcome the recent of firefox. It is nice for them
 to show their true colors.
 
 That being said I hope that debian can muster enough support to fork firefox
 into a new browser. One in which is truly free  and embraces opensource.
 
I would like to propose a name: Debian WaterBuffalo

Regards,

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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Chris Waters
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 01:27:01PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

 I would like to propose a name: Debian WaterBuffalo

I thought we already agreed on IceWeasel.  :)

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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 11:46:45AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 01:27:01PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
 
  I would like to propose a name: Debian WaterBuffalo
 
 I thought we already agreed on IceWeasel.  :)
 
There was some discussion about potential Firefox replacement names a
few days ago on IRC.  I suggested WaterBuffalo and Manoj and a couple of
other people really liked it.  Just an idea.

Regards,

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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Bastian Venthur
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I do hope that debian can overcome the recent of firefox. It is nice for them
 to show their true colors.
 
 That being said I hope that debian can muster enough support to fork firefox
 into a new browser. One in which is truly free  and embraces opensource.

Not sure what you mean. Firefox is free- and opensource. AFAIK they are
only trying to protect their brand/trademark, which is IMHO ok, since
the code itself is still free. They just want to make sure, that a
product wearing the official logo and carrying the official name
actually *is* the official firefox.

BTW, Debian has some restrictions too when you want to use the official
logo.

http://www.us.debian.org/logos/#official-use


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Re: DPL caretaking

2006-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Towns wrote:
 Sorry this took longer than I'd hoped. Anyway here's the caretaking stuff
 so we can get on with the DPL recall vote stuff without having to worry
 about things being left in the lurch. I'll be trying to avoid exercising
 any DPL powers from now until the votes are dealt with, assuming nothing
 insane pops up in the meantime.

So 5 or Q or whatever it is people can block the DPL from doing anything
for 1 or 2 months just by proposing a recall? Isn't that broken?

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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Bastian,

* Bastian Venthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-10-03 22:29]:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I do hope that debian can overcome the recent of firefox. It is nice for 
  them
  to show their true colors.
  
  That being said I hope that debian can muster enough support to fork firefox
  into a new browser. One in which is truly free  and embraces opensource.
 
 Not sure what you mean. Firefox is free- and opensource. AFAIK they are
 only trying to protect their brand/trademark, which is IMHO ok, since
 the code itself is still free. They just want to make sure, that a
 product wearing the official logo and carrying the official name
 actually *is* the official firefox.

If you consider the logo as code (what I do) then its wrong, 
see: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622
Kind regards
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Re: DPL caretaking

2006-10-03 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Joey Hess wrote:
 Anthony Towns wrote:
   
 Sorry this took longer than I'd hoped. Anyway here's the caretaking stuff
 so we can get on with the DPL recall vote stuff without having to worry
 about things being left in the lurch. I'll be trying to avoid exercising
 any DPL powers from now until the votes are dealt with, assuming nothing
 insane pops up in the meantime.
 

 So 5 or Q or whatever it is people can block the DPL from doing anything
 for 1 or 2 months just by proposing a recall? Isn't that broken?

   
From the way I read it, this was a choice AJ made out of respect for the
opinion of those developers, not something he was constitutionally
required to do.

HTH,
Benjamin



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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 09:09:41PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
 Not sure what you mean. Firefox is free- and opensource. AFAIK they are
 only trying to protect their brand/trademark, which is IMHO ok, since
 the code itself is still free. They just want to make sure, that a
 product wearing the official logo and carrying the official name
 actually *is* the official firefox.

They also have an abysmally bad handling of security issues for
everything that is not the latest and most shiny version. I don't know
whether they're noticeably better for what they claim to support.

Greetings
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Re: DPL caretaking

2006-10-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:13:58 -0400, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 

 Anthony Towns wrote:
 Sorry this took longer than I'd hoped. Anyway here's the caretaking
 stuff so we can get on with the DPL recall vote stuff without
 having to worry about things being left in the lurch. I'll be
 trying to avoid exercising any DPL powers from now until the votes
 are dealt with, assuming nothing insane pops up in the meantime.

 So 5 or Q or whatever it is people can block the DPL from doing
 anything for 1 or 2 months just by proposing a recall? Isn't that
 broken?

Err, are you saying the DPL's decision is broken? Since it is
 aj's decision you are questioning now.

As to the value of K, I think I would be happy with  2%
 replacing the hard coded 5 (and let there be anther value for the
 tech ctte if we need).

L = 5 or 2%, whichever is larger.
K = Q or L, whichever is smaller.

Of course, this probably means joeyh shall killfile this
 thread too, since I am talking about the constitution.

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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Bastian Venthur
Marc Haber wrote:
 They also have an abysmally bad handling of security issues for
 everything that is not the latest and most shiny version. I don't know
 whether they're noticeably better for what they claim to support.

Maybe, but that was not my point. I somehow have the impression that
some people think firefox is non-free (or sort of) just because Debian
has to rebrand it. I just wanted to point out that Firefox itself is
free and the problem a bit more complicated.


Cheers,

Bastian

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Re: Debian firefox

2006-10-03 Thread Alexander Sack
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 09:09:41PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
 Not sure what you mean. Firefox is free- and opensource. AFAIK they are
 only trying to protect their brand/trademark, which is IMHO ok, since

There is a difference of protecting a brand and maximizing brand
value ... there latest move is about the latter.


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Re: DPL caretaking

2006-10-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 04:13:58PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
 So 5 or Q or whatever it is people can block the DPL from doing anything
 for 1 or 2 months just by proposing a recall? Isn't that broken?

Nah, I'm just treating it as a semi-vacation. I figure that anything
important enough for that to be a worry can and will be done by other
people anyway so delegations should be more than sufficient.

Cheers,
aj



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