Re: Custom Debian Distribution for creative artists and wannabes

2006-11-18 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Friday 17 November 2006 06:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm interested in creating a Custom Debian Distribution for creative
 artists

I think Agnula/DeMuDi might be a starting point for you - have you looked at 
their project?

  http://www.agnula.org/ 

The project seems to be a bit dormant at the moment (no news since 2005), 
but at least somebody has edited the Wiki at http://demudi.agnula.org/ as 
recently as October this year so it's not entirely dead.

cheers
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WG: Note to Did you already MOO today...

2006-11-18 Thread Jakob Johannes Blatte
Dear Manoj Srivastava, dear Debain Project,

Concerning the discussion I began I risc one more note, because I found one 
more bug on my side:

The sentence on my side:

Of course, if you separate joke religion from true religion completely then 
you must say:
I appreciate your believe as a form of serious religion but I only wanted 
to make a joke on my behalf.

is not correct enough, better is:

Of course, if you separate joke religion from true religion completely then 
_one as an inventor of joke religion_ must say:
I appreciate your believe as a form of serious religion but I only wanted 
to make a joke on my behalf.

or:

Of course, if you separate joke religion from true religion completely then 
_you should_ say:
I appreciate your believe as a form of serious religion, _joke religion we 
should address as a bad joke, not religion_.

Sorry for this. you was not ment to be addressed to you actually.

One more idea:
Please distinguish between Software Development Guidelines for free 
software and the philosophies or even ideologies that a developer of 
software offers within or in connection with software.
As far as I know are the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG)  very sane 
and good.
Software to my opinion is sort of an instrument like a hammer or a plier 
(of course more compex ones than hammer or plier) one can use for good as 
well as for evil. But this again is the responsibility of the user, not of 
the developer.

I hope, I did not judge too much!

Yours sincerely
Jakob Johannes Blaette

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von:Jakob Johannes Blätte [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet am:Samstag, 11. November 2006 11:44
An: 'Manoj Srivastava'
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Dear Manoj Srivastava,

thank you for your answer.

See annotations in the original message.

Yours sincerely
Jakob Johannes Blaette

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von:Manoj Srivastava [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet am:Freitag, 10. November 2006 15:55
An: Jakob Johannes Blaette
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Debian Project
Betreff:Re: Note to Did you already MOO today...

Hi,
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:51:35 +0100, Jakob Johannes Blaette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Hello, Debain, first of all thank you for the Distribution of DEBIAN
 that I appreciate.

Thanks.

 I am Computer Scientist and have roman catholic believe so I'm also
 thankful f.ex. that Debian offers a Web Browser called Epiphany
 Browser.

I doubt that the naming had something to do with religion,
 really.

 But I could also find a program that can produce the comment Did
 you already MOO today...?.  Now I found that MOO can mean a text
 based online virtual system but as well MOOism that is a joke
 religion (please see f.ex. wikipedia.org).  Or is the meaning only
 harmess in the meaning of cows?

Hard to say, I don't think this has much to do with the text
 based game, and something to do with cows is also unlikely.  However,
 that is not to say that the only explanation left is MOOism, though
 that can't be ruled out.  Perhaps there is some humour here that I am
 missing.

OK, this is your opinion. Actually the program I ment is apt-get. I sent a 
question to the author.

 To my opinion it can be bad for our world if joke religion gets lot
 of influence in our world with the distribution of well known
 software.

Well, that depends.  One person's joke is another person's
 honest belief.  And then there are people who strongly believe that
 any mention of a deity is mere superstition, who would consider _any_
 religion a joke.  I don't think it is correct to sit in judgement and
 say which belief has merit and which is a joke.  And once you start
 with MOOism, where do you stop? Is pastafarianism and the FSM next?

Actually I think that the inventors of joke religion already judge saying 
religion as such is a joke.
This is so because they disregard the religious feelings of others when 
mocking on true religion.
This is so because of the suggestion, when a well known software propagates 
joke religion, it is allowed to make a joke out of religion.
And this is so, when many people accept this ideas without thinking and 
following the simple but wrong ideas that say: Why religion? or Strange 
ideas in religion, I don't (want to) understand, f.ex. because a software 
is well known.

Of course, if you separate joke religion from true religion completely then 
you must say:
I appreciate your believe as a form of serious religion but I only wanted 
to make a joke on my behalf.

 Please tell me, if this comment in this program can be made less
 ambiguous.

Please take that up with the authors of the program.

manoj
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Re: Custom Debian Distribution for creative artists and wannabes

2006-11-18 Thread lloyd
Hi Adrian,

On Sat, November 18, 2006 4:45 am, Adrian von Bidder wrote:

 I think Agnula/DeMuDi might be a starting point for you - have you looked
 at their project?

Yes, I have looked at both Agnula and Dyne.bolic. My impression is that
Angula is heavily weighted toward music composition and recording and
Dyne.bolic emphasizes streaming audio and video.

While I'd like to have a minimalistic collection of sound recording and
music composition tools -- just enough, say, to record a simple animation
sound track -- I'd like to weight the collection predominantly toward the
visual/graphic arts.

Over the next couple of days I'll try to list some of the packages that
I'd like to see in the distribution.

Big issue is that I don't yet understand the process of creating a custom
disk well enough. I'll be working on that. But, if it's just a process of
substituting package names in a file, then an existing package like Agnula
might be well worth studying.

Second issue is that, for the audience I'm envisioning, the technical
issues of loading the software, setting up user accounts, configuring
network and peripherals -- printer, scanner, graphics tablet, etc. -- must
be reduced to simplest possible procedures. These, I know, are issues for
all of Debian. But maybe this project can lend them impetus.

Many thanks,

Lloyd




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Iceweasel

2006-11-18 Thread Al Metz
Which version of Firefox will the upcoming Iceweasel be based on?  
Firefox 2 ?  Will it be available for Debian stable (PPC)?



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