Re: ideas....
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 11:41:43PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being paid based on popularity does not alter the fact that some subset of people are being paid, and others are not, for what could be equivalent amounts of work done. Such an imbalance would make Debian unpalatable for me, personally. Other developers may or may not agree, but I for one think that injection of paid work into Debian would make Debian less fun for me. What injection ? There is already people being paid to work on Debian. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ideas....
On Sunday 08 April 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 11:41:43PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being paid based on popularity does not alter the fact that some subset of people are being paid, and others are not, for what could be equivalent amounts of work done. Such an imbalance would make Debian unpalatable for me, personally. Other developers may or may not agree, but I for one think that injection of paid work into Debian would make Debian less fun for me. What injection ? There is already people being paid to work on Debian. geese, we wen't over this last time this came up, there's a difference between: 1) Debian paying people to work on Debian, and 2) a 3th party paying people to work on Debian the major one being wether the politics involved with deciding who gets payed become a Debian issue, or remain something outside of Debian -- Cheers, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) pgpLpviIfs8mC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ideas....
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 02:55:19AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:55:25 +0200, Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 11:41:43PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being paid based on popularity does not alter the fact that some subset of people are being paid, and others are not, for what could be equivalent amounts of work done. Such an imbalance would make Debian unpalatable for me, personally. Other developers may or may not agree, but I for one think that injection of paid work into Debian would make Debian less fun for me. What injection ? There is already people being paid to work on Debian. If you do not see the distinction between getting a job with an external entity paying people to work on debian, and having ones fellow developers in an a position to determine whether one gets money or not, then I don't know how to explain it. Already one could find reluctance in opposing aj or Ted or Raphael on technical issues, even one feels it might not be in the best interest of the project, since in the future one could be in need of the money that could be steered ones way by the dunc tank powers that be. The injection of an employer-employee relationship in Debian is not something I think is in the best interest of the project. Sorry, I just zapped from my mind the part of the initial post where the framework idea exposed just looks like dunc tank. Indeed, such thing would be half new, since we've had the dunc tank experiment. But money is not something new in Debian, that was my point. Some uses of it may, though. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ideas....
On Friday 06 April 2007 21.43:09 John Watson wrote: I would suggest having two releases of Debian, one really stable which could be released every 2 years, another one stable released every 6 months by taking a freeze of the current testing distro and spending a month (no more) fixing any major bugs. Many people are using testing or a mix of stable and testing for desktop use and have found that very good. For bigger deployments and other more sensitive areas, stable is great - I don't want to fiddle around with my fai setup every 6 months even if it means I run Oo.org 2 while 2.1 is already out etc. 1.5 to 2 years is a reasonable timeframe in a commercial surrounding, the major problem Debian needs to solve in that area is support of new hardware, like SATA. 2)One real issue with Debian is a lack of admin tools, (such as yast is for SuSE). Considering starting a project to develop a range of gui based admin tools for Debian. Please don't start yet another project. There's webmin, there's the YaST for Debian project and I believe there were some others, too. And then there is the idea of building up debconf into a full admin tool. I set up a SLES10 server a few months ago, see http://fortytwo.ch/blog/archives/2006/10/#e2006-10-30T14_22_18.txt for a few comments. To reiterate again here: any configuration tool that modifies configuration files, especially at unexpected times like from an init script (gaah! That's really a traumatic experience.) is evil to some degree. A full config file parser that also preserves comments is much harder to do, but after all Debian has no marketing department saying that this config tool mus be finished in two weeks ... [money] As the past year has proved, money is a difficult topic in a volunteer organisation. Would I want Debian to accept a 10 million dollar donation? Probably not. What would I do if I had 10 million dollars to spend on Debian? I guess the wisest course would be to hire some people and get them to improve Debian so that it does exactly what I want. Added bonus if they can get the improvements integrated in Debian. If it's just 10 millions, that would be probably 3 to 5 people, and if I could resist the temptation to try to force those people into prominent roles within Debian it might even work out in a much improved distribution without too much controversy, and without touching onto some fundamental values of the project (that people are sometimes paid for Debian work is a very old fact, so that part of this idea should work out fine.) Now somebody get me that money :-) cheers -- vbi -- featured link: http://fortytwo.ch/smtp pgpMB8FnrtJzi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#69271: PTS Praise Tracking System
Hi, From: Justin Pryzby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: #69271: PTS Praise Tracking System Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:46:39 -0500 Hello Joost, In Debian bug log #69271, you request supporting a praise tracking system. I just wanted to point out the functionality provided by bts -k That would be: reportbug -k (or --kudos) Regards, Fabian -- Fabian zzz Pietsch - http://zzz.arara.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
