Re: A bit of history
On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 08:12:21AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > Hi folks, > > I am trying to find out exactly when I joined Debian. > > This is not as easy as it might seem. > > There seem to be three possible dates: > > 1) The date of my first upload > > 2) The date my account was created on master > > 3) The date my key was added to the keyring > I guess that depends on what you consider "joined". You might also consider your first posting to a Debian mailing list. Or possible, your first contribution (e.g., bug submission or patch submission). Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A bit of history
On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:11:37PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > But 2 Jan 1996 was a Tuesday and > http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-1.3.1/main/source/net/modemu_0.0.1-1.dsc > seems to be signed with 2048 bit RSA key E9B2C0BD, created: 1997-01-01. > > That would explain why modemu at sunsite (now ibiblio) says 13JAN96 > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/apps/serialcomm/dialout/modemu-0.0.1.lsm > > Was that date fluffed? Too much New Year Cheer? Interesting question. I did some grepping about and found this message on December 31, 1996: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1996/12/msg00777.html where I said I'd like to "turn into packages", and modemu is on the list. Though, confusingly, there is a message from Jan 5, 1997, saying I had sent a request to new-maintainer "some time back" and another ping "about a week ago". So I wonder if I created some packages in Dec 1996 before posting about them. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/01/msg00151.html There is also this message to debian-changes: http://lists.debian.org/debian-changes/1997/01/msg00130.html I appear to have uploaded a number of packages to chiark on Jan 6, 1997, because my account on master wasn't ready yet. These were installed on Jan 13, 1997: http://lists.debian.org/debian-changes/1997/01/msg00024.html So, I suspsect that I crafted the modemu changelog manually and had either a braino or a typo. My first version of netmaze was dated Jan 2, 1997. I do sometimes get the previous year when writing dates in January. The other possibility is that I had made up the package a year before uploading it, but that seems unlikely. I may have had packages ready prior to actually being able to upload them, and didn't update the changelog dates when I actually did upload them. It seems likely, then, that I sent my NM request in late 1996, started working on Debian packages in late 1996 or early 1997 (a margin of 2 or 3 days), had my first upload Jan 6 1997, and account created sometime later in early 1997. I guess what this means is that it's fuzzy. I don't know what the requirements on chiark were -- probably I had to be in the keyring but didn't need an account on master. I don't know who would have put me into the keyring earlier than the account on master, but it could be that someone other than Bruce maintained the keyring and saw the new-maint mail. So I guess the precise date at which I started to be able to upload packages, via chiark, is unknown but was likely in Dec 1996 or Jan 1997. This has been interesting. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A bit of history
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://web.archive.org/web/19970414141008/www.debian.org/people.html > lists some early packages. The oldest timestamp in those is: > http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/modemu/current/changelog > -- John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 2 Jan 1996 00:02:50 -0600 But 2 Jan 1996 was a Tuesday and http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-1.3.1/main/source/net/modemu_0.0.1-1.dsc seems to be signed with 2048 bit RSA key E9B2C0BD, created: 1997-01-01. That would explain why modemu at sunsite (now ibiblio) says 13JAN96 http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/apps/serialcomm/dialout/modemu-0.0.1.lsm Was that date fluffed? Too much New Year Cheer? Even as 1997, I think it is still the earliest timestamp. Best wishes, -- MJ Ray, Reality Checker - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A bit of history
On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 03:44:08PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am trying to find out exactly when I joined Debian. > [...] > > 1) The date of my first upload > > Oldest signature block claiming you to be a DD seen from early 1998. > > http://web.archive.org/web/19970414141008/www.debian.org/people.html > lists some early packages. The oldest timestamp in those is: > http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/modemu/current/changelog > -- John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 2 Jan 1996 00:02:50 -0600 Good thinking. Yes, modemu was indeed one of my early packages and it makes sense that it may have been the first. It would be nice if we maintained a list somewhere of the dates people joined -- and left -- Debian. > That matches the various biogs and SPI platforms which claim 1996. That's good. It's been the best guess I could come up with. > > 2) The date my account was created on master > > Oldest timestamp in your master $HOME looks to be 15 Jan 1997, which > is long before the first use of [EMAIL PROTECTED] that I've found. Yes, I have rarely used that email address. I have an email archived from Bruce giving my login info for debian.novare.net -- then the "hot-site backup for master.debian.org" -- dated May 24, 1997. But that's about it. > > 3) The date my key was added to the keyring > > Predates keyring changelog start in January 1998. I'm stuck. Gotcha. Signatures on keys weren't required back then, so I can't even go look at dates of signatures. > > [...] All of this predates most of the modern infrastructure: NM, > > *.qa.debian.org, etc. To make matters worse, the search tool for > > lists.d.o is returning internal server error right now, so I can't > > search some lists for my name over a specific time period. > > I'm not sure it would help. I've tried to find out when other > veterans joined and it seems unusual for a primary source like a > welcome email to be archived anywhere. Yes, I have looked for that too. I know I got a message from Bruce when my account was created. But I don't have it anywhere. Back then, at least for me, email was a much more transient thing. You'd send a message and, barring certain mailing list archives, that would be it -- mainly because it was too expensive to archive that sort of thing. I was probably still using either a 120MB or 512MB hard disk at the time. Thanks, MJ. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A bit of history
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am trying to find out exactly when I joined Debian. [...] > 1) The date of my first upload Oldest signature block claiming you to be a DD seen from early 1998. http://web.archive.org/web/19970414141008/www.debian.org/people.html lists some early packages. The oldest timestamp in those is: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/modemu/current/changelog -- John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 2 Jan 1996 00:02:50 -0600 That matches the various biogs and SPI platforms which claim 1996. > 2) The date my account was created on master Oldest timestamp in your master $HOME looks to be 15 Jan 1997, which is long before the first use of [EMAIL PROTECTED] that I've found. > 3) The date my key was added to the keyring Predates keyring changelog start in January 1998. I'm stuck. > [...] All of this predates most of the modern infrastructure: NM, > *.qa.debian.org, etc. To make matters worse, the search tool for > lists.d.o is returning internal server error right now, so I can't > search some lists for my name over a specific time period. I'm not sure it would help. I've tried to find out when other veterans joined and it seems unusual for a primary source like a welcome email to be archived anywhere. Regards, -- MJ Ray, Archaeology Service - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A bit of history
Hi folks, I am trying to find out exactly when I joined Debian. This is not as easy as it might seem. There seem to be three possible dates: 1) The date of my first upload 2) The date my account was created on master 3) The date my key was added to the keyring I'm pretty sure that this all would have been in 1996, give or take a year. I'm also pretty sure that #1 occured before the others. I think I uploaded to chiark until Bruce got back from vacation to set up my account on master. This is just something I've been trying to figure out for awhile for my own personal interest. Nothing of vital project interest, but it would be interesting to be able to find out. All of this predates most of the modern infrastructure: NM, *.qa.debian.org, etc. To make matters worse, the search tool for lists.d.o is returning internal server error right now, so I can't search some lists for my name over a specific time period. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo license?
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > However, while searching the website, I found that there appears to be > no such "documented procedure". Of course it's possible that I missed > something obvious (in which case I'd appreciate for people to point me > to the bits I missed), but if that isn't the case, then I think we > should actually go ahead and create such a "documented procedure". > > Comments? I don't doubt the Official Use logo shouldn't be used for your slides at present. I think there's some value in having a documented procedure for it to be used, but that should try to protect the project against (for example) a past DPL candidate presenting their platform as The Official Word Of Debian or similar. But I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort: most people recognise the Open Use logo. What I'd really like is for people to do what they said and relicense the Open Use logo under free terms. Regards, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Logo license?
Hi, I just started preparing my slides for my BoF that I'll have to do at next week's Debconf, and wanted to download the Debian logo to include in there. While doing so, I stumbled upon something which surprised me. I would prefer using the official logo in my slides, but obviously want to be sure that I'm actually /allowed/ to do so. So I read the text that goes with the official license, which says this: This logo may only be used if: * the product it is used for is made using a documented procedure as published on www.debian.org (for example official CD-creation) [...] However, while searching the website, I found that there appears to be no such "documented procedure". Of course it's possible that I missed something obvious (in which case I'd appreciate for people to point me to the bits I missed), but if that isn't the case, then I think we should actually go ahead and create such a "documented procedure". Comments? Meanwhile, I'll (reluctantly) go with the open use logo. -- Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode, 2004-09-22 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
