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On 6/15/07, Alexander Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! * Jorge Pérez Lara [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070614 18:17]: It's true Debian is going to dead It's impossible, if you dead, LINUX is going to dead Not now, in not in forseeable future ;) May I ask, why you are asking? Yours sincerely, Alexander Well, I think it because I saw it in a Blog. In the blog, they said aMsn (a MSN Messenger for linux) died, and they said debian is going to dead
Bug#292330: use UTF-8 by default
also sprach Thorsten Glaser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.06.16.0013 +0100]: wouldn't it be possible to at least make the en_US.UTF-8 locale forcibly generated, so that it can't be deselected by dpkg-reconfigure locales? Why en_US? Why not en_GB? If this one isn't installed, many apps break when I ssh from an OS that uses exclusively UTF-8 to a Debian box. etch uses UTF-8 by default. And you can always dpkg-reconfigure. -- .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : proud Debian developer, author, administrator, and user `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck - http://debiansystem.info `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
Bug#292330: use UTF-8 by default
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:13:29PM +, Thorsten Glaser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, wouldn't it be possible to at least make the en_US.UTF-8 locale forcibly generated, so that it can't be deselected by dpkg-reconfigure locales? If this one isn't installed, many apps break when I ssh from an OS that uses exclusively UTF-8 to a Debian box. They would break the same way if you'd ssh from an OS exclusively using anything else (let's say ISO-2022-JP). So should we generate these too ? Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: your mail
On la, 2007-06-16 at 10:16 +0200, Jorge Pérez Lara wrote: Well, I think it because I saw it in a Blog. In the blog, they said aMsn (a MSN Messenger for linux) died, and they said debian is going to dead It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Debian Oracle! Your friendly neighborhood Debian Oracle is here to resolve this issues once and for all! Really!!! It is a well-known fact about the Internet that everything published on this most networked network of networks is utterly true, without exception. Every blog post is absolute, eternal truth. It is, unfortunately, less well known that the values of everything, uttrly, absolute, eternal, and true have been suffering from serious inflation in the past fifteen years. Given that time on the Internet passes at about 42 times faster than usual, that means the 105k% inflation has effectively been going on for 630 years. In other words, true now is worth only about 1/(105^630) of what it was in 1992. In 1992, the statement Debian will die would have been 100% true. Today, on the other hand, it is only true one part in 22349016392647261533425069471417458583887478664388640949279444742251\ 75817925847805975468419416359081701733414022316777689734962038612405\ 01996384594285388328174545201997776499568146092179843730927631106928\ 31346098861299370344255829382486423965947151117607231134043346901597\ 79917158312146326909113292473864228803838358948538822991751904124470\ 63538189414943837290947482704825428771455885638597494481793075663820\ 48655861988301943364707846671041378140590581454670376171428136017050\ 30332789804117799008708267218766959398123459052551841283769479783300\ 41064607853574369982462062602196933640652123980541957720103071403419\ 55842308637963896019038619017608213843100672568847202131403433407721\ 77793193713866603016695171123198340508498293858593967517710927964512\ 49601248519198813810677394142918370264156665025009301973822093755237\ 52496965783834233202440800031054583784247856156491446403129084637529\ 9791302236500125609245700133394476082217817857732694056148655699\ 88272655926758464065817738180368553834191779075904063988850752145610\ 41502946408942598899932397926470704878721504918828907002727302072471\ 62334049013296873456598685479661372050679141219679539892101019673840\ 80290131905725582599788025914878118152686485785942767347309296988118\ 33879396916702209097138620563782751560211181640625. The Debian Oracle grants you permission to approximate that to fifteen signficant decimals. You owe the Oracle a non-generic, non-empty Subject header. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#292330: use UTF-8 by default
martin f krafft dixit: Why en_US? Why not en_GB? Because how many applications come with en_US data files and how many speak proper English? I know it's sad, but it happens to be like this. If this one isn't installed, many apps break when I ssh from an OS that uses exclusively UTF-8 to a Debian box. etch uses UTF-8 by default. And you can always dpkg-reconfigure. Funnily I cannot if I'm not root. And I've seen etch boxen where en_US.UTF-8 was not installed. //mirabile -- Using Lynx is like wearing a really good pair of shades: cuts out the glare and harmful UV (ultra-vanity), and you feel so-o-o COOL. -- Henry Nelson, March 1999 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#292330: use UTF-8 by default
also sprach Thorsten Glaser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.06.16.1323 +0100]: Funnily I cannot if I'm not root. And I've seen etch boxen where en_US.UTF-8 was not installed. Then please bug the admin. -- .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : proud Debian developer, author, administrator, and user `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck - http://debiansystem.info `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
Bug#292330: use UTF-8 by default
martin f krafft dixit: also sprach Thorsten Glaser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.06.16.1323 +0100]: Funnily I cannot if I'm not root. And I've seen etch boxen where en_US.UTF-8 was not installed. Then please bug the admin. That's what I did, but the idea is not to have to do that. (Besides, C is installed by default, so we need some kind of C.UTF-8, whose role is – for LC_CTYPE – usually fulfilled by en_US.UTF-8.) //mirabile -- I believe no one can invent an algorithm. One just happens to hit upon it when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy them. If you don't believe in God, just consider God as Nature if you won't deny existence. -- Coywolf Qi Hunt
Bug#292330: use UTF-8 by default
also sprach Thorsten Glaser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.06.16.1528 +0100]: That's what I did, but the idea is not to have to do that. (Besides, C is installed by default, so we need some kind of C.UTF-8, whose role is – for LC_CTYPE – usually fulfilled by en_US.UTF-8.) Please stop CCing debian-project. Does a C.UTF-8 exist? If yes, then this is a sound proposal, I think. -- .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : proud Debian developer, author, administrator, and user `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck - http://debiansystem.info `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
Bug#292330: use UTF-8 by default
martin f krafft dixit: Please stop CCing debian-project. I don't. Does a C.UTF-8 exist? If yes, then this is a sound proposal, I think. If not, one could probably easily create one. It would have to have all properties of C except for LC_CTYPE, which it would have to take from en_US.UTF-8. //mirabile -- I believe no one can invent an algorithm. One just happens to hit upon it when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy them. If you don't believe in God, just consider God as Nature if you won't deny existence. -- Coywolf Qi Hunt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#292330: use UTF-8 by default
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: also sprach Thorsten Glaser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.06.16.1528 +0100]: That's what I did, but the idea is not to have to do that. (Besides, C is installed by default, so we need some kind of C.UTF-8, whose role is – for LC_CTYPE – usually fulfilled by en_US.UTF-8.) Please stop CCing debian-project. Does a C.UTF-8 exist? If yes, then this is a sound proposal, I think. I believe that the C locale is supposed to be US_ASCII only. Rationale: ISO C99 §7.4 (ctype functions that have locale-specific aspects only when not in the C locale...) Many of the constraints this section for the various is* functions would restrict the C locale to US_ASCII. UTF-8 would break the constraints over e.g. whitespace characters, digits, lowercase characters etc.. I'm not sure who would want to use C.UTF-8. If you want a basic non-Unicode locale with known behaviour on all platforms, the C locale is useful, particularly when doing serialisation where localisation would break file formats. If you want Unicode, why would you not just use the appropriate .UTF-8 locale for your language/country? Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. pgpepx184osIA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#292330: use UTF-8 by default
[Thorsten Glaser] [...] a hypothetical C.UTF-8 locale, which would have to be set via setlocale(3) anyway, and differ from C only in LC_CTYPE category. I suggest a strategy of having locale.config (the script that prompts you to generate locales at install time) automatically select any locale which matches s/\..*/.UTF-8/ for the locales the user has selected. Of course, some users may be annoyed by the additional disk space (what, another megabyte or so in /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive?) and the additional CPU usage at install/upgrade time. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
