violence - take 2
[14:05] * Now talking on #debian-devel [14:05] * Topic for #debian-devel is: [...] [14:05] * Topic for #debian-devel set by Maulkin [14:05] pdy hi [14:05] pdy Enrico, you mention in context of debtags efforts that colaboration with the guys from freshmeat.net is planned/desired. their site seems pretty dead to me and own efforts to contact them failed. do you have vital contacts to them? [14:05] * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). [14:05] * *** Banned autokilled: You are not welcome on this network. (2008-02-04 13:05:11) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: violence - take 2
Patrick Frank wrote: Before anybody even considers using public defacements like paddy is a troll, lets hunt him you should be aware of context. A part of the context is that the OFTC IRC-network doesn't want you on their network... Even if Debian has strong links with the IRC network, you are complaining in the wrong forum... The context is certain Debian Developers playing the cabal game, not only recently, but starting 3-4 years ago. The situation that started the hunt for the paddy was my public complaints on #debian.de on irc.freenode.net about the social violence that was present. This social violence was targeted at the most vulnerable and most helpless people: the newbies You are talking about a different IRC network over here... My complaints to the Freenode Staff Team were not heard, because Rob Levin himself was under fire by those people who founded irc.oftc.net as so called anti-lilo network. Details to prove my claims can be delivered if that is required. The OFTC network is not anti Freenode, get your facts straight... The excuse of the Freenode Staff Team for not taking action against the violent behaviour of several Debian Developers was the dull statement This is IRC. Deal with it. Staff never interfers with channel matters. You're again talking about a different IRC network... As this problem was never resolved properly a lot of people had no other choice than going violent themselves. Doing wrong because others do wrong, doesn't make right... Since my claims are still standing after 3-4 years that some people have to fix their anti social personality problems in a different way than abusing other people on IRC, the addressed Debian Developers see the need to play the cabal game. You having problems with some individuals doesn't make it a Debian problem. You wanting to escalate it to 2 IRC networks and the Debian project tells more about yourself than about the individuals you claim to be anti social... Defacements and playing the cabal game due to the inability to fix ego problems. Accusations like this are not going to help anything AFAIK... Its the choice of every single Debian Developer to join this game or to help fix social problems. Your call. Is it, it looks more like it's your call on how you want to interact with your so called cabal... Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: violence - take 2
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get lost, will you? Permanently please. It was transparently visible how you handled your disagreement with Sven Luther. We are all able to see how your destructive handling of that conflict grew out to a huge community problem. People who believe in the good of others assumed that you were able to learn from that. I still have the hope that you manage some day to express your likes and dislikes in a less violent way. Your social environment could be thankful, Frans. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: violence - take 2
Patrick Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [14:05] * *** Banned autokilled: You are not welcome on this network. (2008-02-04 13:05:11) AIUI Patrick Frank has threatened legal action against OFTC, so OFTC is currently refusing to serve him. I believe that came out around http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/06/msg00101.html but I haven't found the exact post. In short, this is not news. Maybe dropping the legal threat and requesting nicely (and demonstrating cooperation?) would get OFTC service restored. Alternatively, continue with the legal threat and see what happens. Either way, repeating to debian-project seems useless. Hope that explains, -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: violence - take 2
Bas Wijnen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We did not get a private mail from you also, Bas. Maybe we are so confused because we addressed Luk not you? All will be good, we are quite sure. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: violence - take 2
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AIUI Patrick Frank has threatened legal action against OFTC, so OFTC is currently refusing to serve him. The legal threat is open, because: - network representatives of OFTC abused positions and priviledges in private battles against my person connections were terminated without any policy violation connections were terminated as virtual punch in the face connections were terminated because its fun to do - OFTC is considered to be a so called public communication network - to public communication networks that are hosted - at least in parts on german grounds applies the german legislation - according to german legislation a public communication network can deny acess only under certain circumstances - such circumstances are not pure dislike of person or opinion Again the background story: Certain Debian Developers started to feel hate for my person because I comlained in public about the social violence that took place on channels that were controlled by them. The starting point was on Freenode. How certain Debian Developers caused a split off from Frenode, how they promoted their hobby net OFTC to become the official home of Debian, all that can be reviewed on the Web. Also on the Web was a lot of defacements targeted at Rob Levin who founded Freenode. The driving force were the same people who play defacements and the cabal game against me. The reason why they do it is founded by their anti social nature. Anti social personalities defend other anti social personalities by doing anti social things. The game was: The Debian Project Leader claimed the Debian project has nothing to do with problems that happen on any #debian* channel on any IRC net. The OFTC representatives claimed they have no business with problems that happen on any of their channels. SPI Inc. claimed they have no business with problems that happen on networks that are sponsored and run by them. Now follow the white rabbit. What is the OFTC network. What is SPI Inc. Who are the network representatives of OFTC. You end up with a short list of names who all are Debian Developers. Since 3-4 years I try to find the right people who finally stop the violent behaviour of certain Debian Developers. I admit that I was pretty helpless at some point in time. The legal threat was never a real danger to anybody, because I simply dont have the money to take this to court for clearance. Knowing this fact made the cabal game even more fun for certain Debian Developers. Its a battle of certain people with unequal weapons. And every Debian Developer who is throwing mud in my direction should be aware in what context this happens. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux.conf.au 2008 articles about or related to debian
Aníbal Monsalve Salazar dijo [Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 04:00:05PM +1100]: The following articles were from linux.conf.au 2008 and are about (or related to) debian. Why companies don't support Debian http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7228053130.html http://lwn.net/Articles/267369/ I'll also join the the article is just BS crowd. I argumented it a bit in Spanish in a forum that echoed it: http://cofradia.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=20708mode=nestedorder=0thold=0 Utterly disinformed. And, yes, I didn't answer in the linux-watch thread as it required registration. And I have no motivation to register in a site as serious as it. -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: violence - take 2
Patrick Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] - according to german legislation a public communication network can deny acess only under certain circumstances - such circumstances are not pure dislike of person or opinion I think this legislation is harmonised across the European Union by 2002/22/EC, 2002/58/EC, and others. Such circumstances include prevention of malicious or nuisance calls being sent over their network, which I think was the claim here. (They also include unsolicited direct marketing, national security, court orders, prevention or detection of crime, and so on.) I don't know whether or not it applies to OFTC. Even if it applies, before appealing to legislation, one should complete the network operator's complaints procedure. Did you complete the OFTC complaints procedure, which I think is run by their Ombudsman? [...] What is the OFTC network. What is SPI Inc. Who are the network representatives of OFTC. You end up with a short list of names who all are Debian Developers. That is true of some other organisations, but it does not give debian much direct influence over some of them. The available sanctions are blunt and will not resolve that situation with OFTC. So, these threads are just so much pain for DDs and an illustration of why we need better list management for all posters, not just DDs. [...] weapons. And every Debian Developer who is throwing mud in my direction should be aware in what context this happens. It would probably help that if context was linked in these complaints, such as References headers, archive http links, and so on. Especially in things like this IRC complaint, which I'm sure was discussed before. Regards, -- MJ Ray http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html tel:+44-844-4437-237 - Webmaster-developer, statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, consumer and workers co-operative member http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ - Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: violence - take 2
On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 03:27:51PM +0100, Patrick Frank wrote: What you post on this list, Luk Claes as reply to my postings is not constructive in any way. Neither is any of your postings. Also, you seem to have completely ignored what I wrote to you in private, which I see as proof that you are indeed a genuine troll, and your only aim is to keep Debian people busy. Since requests to you are appearantly useless, I'll make a request to the rest of this list. Shall we all just stop sending *any* response at all to him? Remember, if there's no response, that doesn't make him right, but it may make him stop (eventually). I have no problem at all with private responses, but they seem to be a waste of time. The same time you are begging listmasters to ban me from this list, Did he tell you that in private? Because I didn't see any such request. Perhaps you were thinking of my private mail to you, because I did indeed write that it would be a good idea. However, due to technical problems with you changing names all the time, I didn't actually make any request to the list masters, but just asked you to go away. As did Frans. But being a troll, you don't listen to that, of course. On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 04:13:38PM +0100, Patrick Frank wrote: Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get lost, will you? Permanently please. It was transparently visible how you handled your disagreement with Sven Luther. Frans was actually a very good example of someone who kept quite civil most of the time. His attitude was admirable. Sure, he got angry sometimes. But most of the time he didn't, and that must have taken quite an effort given Sven's never-ceasing attacks. This is actually the reason I'm writing this e-mail to the list: Frans, I'm proud of how you handled that situation. It makes me be proud of Debian that people like you are in it. Thank you very much. Thanks, Bas Wijnen -- I encourage people to send encrypted e-mail (see http://www.gnupg.org). If you have problems reading my e-mail, use a better reader. Please send the central message of e-mails as plain text in the message body, not as HTML and definitely not as MS Word. Please do not use the MS Word format for attachments either. For more information, see http://pcbcn10.phys.rug.nl/e-mail.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: violence - take 2
Before anybody even considers using public defacements like paddy is a troll, lets hunt him you should be aware of context. The context is certain Debian Developers playing the cabal game, not only recently, but starting 3-4 years ago. The situation that started the hunt for the paddy was my public complaints on #debian.de on irc.freenode.net about the social violence that was present. This social violence was targeted at the most vulnerable and most helpless people: the newbies My complaints to the Freenode Staff Team were not heard, because Rob Levin himself was under fire by those people who founded irc.oftc.net as so called anti-lilo network. Details to prove my claims can be delivered if that is required. The excuse of the Freenode Staff Team for not taking action against the violent behaviour of several Debian Developers was the dull statement This is IRC. Deal with it. Staff never interfers with channel matters. As this problem was never resolved properly a lot of people had no other choice than going violent themselves. Since my claims are still standing after 3-4 years that some people have to fix their anti social personality problems in a different way than abusing other people on IRC, the addressed Debian Developers see the need to play the cabal game. Defacements and playing the cabal game due to the inability to fix ego problems. Its the choice of every single Debian Developer to join this game or to help fix social problems. Your call. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: violence - take 2
Luk Claes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] What you post on this list, Luk Claes as reply to my postings is not constructive in any way. The same time you are begging listmasters to ban me from this list, with the intention to hide problems of the Debian project. Please re-read the Debian Social Contract which you signed the moment you became a Debian Developer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: violence - take 2
Bas Wijnen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never received a private mail from you, I am sorry. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
Last year, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Martin Michlmayr wrote: * Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-28 10:55]: mips and mipsel have more buildds (mayr and mayer) but one has problems with its fan and the other with its psu. I don't know what is being done about this as the RT ticket is not public (or at least wasn't last time I checked). Which one? There's no such ticket AFAIK. Feel free to submit them. (and I have access to the DSA private tickets) Ryan told me there's one. Maybe there isn't - I don't know. I just opened two tickets: https://rt.debian.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=320 https://rt.debian.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=321 A full-text search on mayr and mayer didn't lead to any relevant (open) ticket so I probably didn't miss any. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Dear all, any news from this potential mips(el) buildd? The current buildd are not keeping up and this is causing trouble to all the teams who are concerned with the migration to testing of their updates. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian-Med packaging team Wakō, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
