Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Matthew Johnson wrote: On Mon Oct 27 20:28, Holger Levsen wrote: Her basic idea is, that in addictive games the first levels of success are easy to achieve and then it gets harder, but only so slowly so that people dont loose motivation. She also manages very well to carry this over to free software development and I suggest you watch it (its 45min), as she can really connect this much better than I can do here.) Currently, in Debian it is (still) really hard to get involved and part of the project (though to be fair, it's perceived even harder than it is). DM was a good step in the right direction and we should keep that direction, not add too many levels of access, priviledges and buerocrazy. Surely the multiple levels are the point she is making? By having multiple levels of access and/or privileges you can slowly give them out and make the early ones easier to attain. The reason for creating posts/roles/statuses which are more restricted than full access is that you can make it correspondingly easier to be granted them and therefore they can be used to help people not lose motivation before they manage to get the full access. In case it's not clear, I agree with Matthew and it's the underlying logic of my proposal. I don't know what is bureaucracy in the eyes of Holger but at this point most of the conditions associated to privileges are not set in stone and everyone can suggest what would be reasonable without falling in the trap of the bureaucracy. For now, I have suggested something similar to DM where the decisions are taken only based on advocations and peer-review and I don't know how to make it more light-weight while still getting the required confidence in the contributor's skills. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Le best-seller français mis à jour pour Debian Etch : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)
Hi, On Tuesday 28 October 2008 00:32, Matthew Johnson wrote: Surely the multiple levels are the point she is making? Please watch the talk :) An (rather) easy level to achieve could be the debian.org email address that every associated project member gets quite easily. (And which is a positive and understandable status, much easier to explain than I'm a seconde grade DCE, soon approaching DCD after I passed those next 40 questions :) regards, Holger DCE DCD are made up terms (here?), as I couldnt be bothered to remember the proposed complicated structure(s). pgp3gv2JOUpuC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Logo stoled
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 04:46:08PM -0700, C.M. Connelly wrote: BF == Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] BF For this, though, the relevant field is not copyright; it's BF trademark. BF Debian does, IIRC, have a trademark monopoly on the Debian BF logos; but I can't find reference to that, so I may be BF wrong. I'll continue on the assumption that they *are* BF trademarks held by SPI. No, we don't. We have a trademark on the word ``Debian''. We do not have a trademark on the swirl logo or any other logotype. Just for avoidance of doubt, we have the word 'Debian' as a *registered* trademark, but not the logos. We do hold unregistered trademark on these. Neil -- jmtd irssiproxy appears to be crack cut with washing up powder signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 0.91 beta
Joerg Jaspert writes (Re: Debian 0.91 beta): Does *anyone* have sources for such old Debian releases? I didn't have space in those days for keeping old versions. Sorry. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian 0.91 beta
I'll see what I can find on the second CD of the SuSE CD-Set where I got the binaries from... Ian Jackson schrieb: Joerg Jaspert writes (Re: Debian 0.91 beta): Does *anyone* have sources for such old Debian releases? I didn't have space in those days for keeping old versions. Sorry. Ian. -- Dipl.-Phys. Fabian Greffrath Ruhr-Universität Bochum Lehrstuhl für Energieanlagen und Energieprozesstechnik (LEAT) Universitätsstr. 150, IB 3/134 D-44780 Bochum Telefon: +49 (0)234 / 32-26334 Fax: +49 (0)234 / 32-14227 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re-thinking Debian membership
Pierre Habouzit wrote: Note that the whole point is to know that the person in question shall know his/her limits, and know who to ask when in trouble. Not everybody should be a top class programmer if what he/she'll ever do is packaging pure perl extensions. OTOH the first time suck a package will be native, I expect him/here to document him/herself and if unsure to go to the right people. That's only an example of course, there are dozens of examples of such people nowadays that I trust with their judgements to not do anything foolish, beyond what they understand. Sounds just as great as all packages are well maintained because they have maintainers knowing their limits and not packaging stuff they lack skills to support. Proposing to have assessing candidates for membership decentralized in a way similar to package maintenance sounds good until one considers the disastrous effect the rapid growth of Debian had on the quality of the average package. And that portion of junk uploads that is sponsored actually had peer review trough a current Debian developer.[1] We are currently way to shy of actually making people stop Maintainer:ing stuff when they are not up to maintaining it to be optimistic about limiting bad additions to Debian when it is open for anyone to do. Kind regards T. 1. To me it looked like about 2 in 3 RC bugs open in lenny two months after freezing were in the any maintainer or Developer should be able to fix this in little to no time-ballpark of difficulty. -- Thomas Viehmann, http://thomas.viehmann.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
