Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Steve Langasek wrote: >> The preferred tool is aptitude. > > This is not a matter for you to decide by fiat. The tools recommended in > the release notes should be the ones that work most reliably for > dist-upgrading from the previous release. Based on various upgrade reports > I've seen over the past year, that isn't aptitude. This is not my fiat, that was (was?) decided some time ago by apt and aptitude maintainers, and various Debian docs that I read before. However, now I understand that things may change, and the final decision is not made by maintainers but by the release team. So, I am sorry for my premature phrase. -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com C++/Perl developer, Debian Maintainer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:07:28PM +0200, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: > Ben Finney wrote: > > Adeodato Simó writes: > >>> Upgrades [… are automatically handled by the aptitude package > >>> management tool for most configurations, and to a certain degree > >>> also by the apt-get package management tool. > >> This should be consistent with the Release Notes. I haven't been > >> tracking the relevant section there very closely, but I thought > >> apt-get was preferred now over aptitude. > > Whereas I was sure the opposite is true (aptitude is now recommended > > over apt-get). > >> Could you investigate, and swap the order if that's the case? > The preferred tool is aptitude. This is not a matter for you to decide by fiat. The tools recommended in the release notes should be the ones that work most reliably for dist-upgrading from the previous release. Based on various upgrade reports I've seen over the past year, that isn't aptitude. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Ben Finney wrote: > Adeodato Simó writes: > >>> Upgrades [… are automatically handled by the aptitude package >>> management tool for most configurations, and to a certain degree >>> also by the apt-get package management tool. >> This should be consistent with the Release Notes. I haven't been >> tracking the relevant section there very closely, but I thought >> apt-get was preferred now over aptitude. > > Whereas I was sure the opposite is true (aptitude is now recommended > over apt-get). > >> Could you investigate, and swap the order if that's the case? The preferred tool is aptitude. -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com C++/Perl developer, Debian Maintainer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Adeodato Simó writes: > > Upgrades [… are automatically handled by the aptitude package > > management tool for most configurations, and to a certain degree > > also by the apt-get package management tool. > > This should be consistent with the Release Notes. I haven't been > tracking the relevant section there very closely, but I thought > apt-get was preferred now over aptitude. Whereas I was sure the opposite is true (aptitude is now recommended over apt-get). > Could you investigate, and swap the order if that's the case? Yes please. -- \ “I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O | `\ Lord, make my enemies ridiculous!’ And God granted it.” | _o__)—Voltaire | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On 2009-02-09, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --040603030801070601030404 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > [ Sorry for the cross post; just trying to make sure everyone is aware of > the current state ] > > > Hi! > > Attached you'll find the current draft of the announcement for the lenny > release. Based upon the announcement for the last release it's far from > ready :( Maybe add a new about all the fancy games that are included in Lenny? Nexuiz, OpenArena, Battle for Wesnoth, FreeCiv, FreeCol, SuperTux, Torcs? And you should mention GoPlay, which allows comfortable browsing of games. Cheers, Moritz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl dijo [Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:15:23AM +0100]: > (...) > Umh... This paragraph seems to clump together very disparate concepts. Yes, they are installer-related - Maybe it should be rephrased +- this way: The installer for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 has received a major overhaul. Among other features, it comes with out-of-the-box support for encrypted partitions. This release introduces (...) That will make it a bit clearer, IMHO. Now, Etch already included the out-of-the-box encryption support - I wrote an article on February 2007 specifically talking about this feature. I agree with announcing the graphical interface here, as it was hidden by default, but AFAIK the crypto part was already there (of course, exciting new developments in it might exist and warrant this) Looking at the many points (I am writing as I am reading), maybe this first comment I made would be better served by adding sections (i.e. "Installation", "Desktop", "Laptops", "Hardware support") instead of rewording paragraphs as I just suggested..? Thank you - as always, your work is much appreciated. And I fail to see the strong en_DE accent that used to characterize your texts :) -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
On Monday 09 February 2009 13:19:06 Adeodato Simó wrote: > > Support for Macromedias Flash format is available via the swfdec plugin. > > Should Gnash be mentioned here? Is it ready for such a high profile > mention? (Maintainers Bcc'ed.) I believe this would have to be (replace (R) with the registered trademark symbol if available in the charset being used to publish the release): Support for Adobe(R) Flash(R) format files are available via the swfdec [and/or Gnash] plugin. And the release would have to include (at the bottom somewhere): “Adobe” and “Flash” are either registered trademarks or trademarks of Adobe Systems Incorporated in the United States and/or other countries. See http://www.adobe.com/misc/trademarks.html and the PDF files linked from that page for more details. Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Draft for lenny release announcement
Hey, Alexander, thanks for your work here! Some minor comments follow: > supports a total of eleven processor architectures As per Riku's comment about armel being missing, this should be 12. > A total of eleven architectures are supported including: Same here. > Support for Macromedias Flash format is available via the swfdec plugin. Should Gnash be mentioned here? Is it ready for such a high profile mention? (Maintainers Bcc'ed.) > The integration of OpenJDK, a free version of Sun's Java technology, > into Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 made it possible to ship Java based > applications in Debians "main" repository. ^^^ Debian's > 2.4.7, Iceweasel (an unbranded version of Mozilla Firefox 3.0.5), Icedove ^ 3.0.6 (will migrate soon) > Iceape (an unbranded version of Mozilla Seamonkey 1.1.14), Iceape has been dropped (we only keep the -dev packages for Build-Dependencies), so please drop that bit from the announcement. > PostgreSQL 8.3.5, This may be 8.3.6 in the end, I'll let you know if that's the case. > MySQL > 5.1.30 and 5.0.51a, GNU Compiler Collection 4.3.2, Linux kernel version > 2.6.26, Apache 2.2.9, Samba 3.2.5, Python 2.5.2 and 2.4.6, Perl 5.10.0, > PHP 5.2.6, Asterisk 1.4.21.2, Emacs 22, Inkscapoe 0.46, Nagios 3.06, Xen ^ Inkscape (typo) > Hypervisor 3.2.1, OpenJDK 6b11 and more than 23,000 other ready to use > software packages. I don't know about the 23,000 figure. It is binary package based, and I'm not sure if that's really fair, because splitting an upstream into different .debs is after all an artifact of the distribution. (FWIW there are around 12,500 source packages in Lenny.) In any case, I'm happy to leave this issue to your discretion. > Upgrades to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 from the previous release, Debian > GNU/Linux 4.0 codenamed etch, are automatically handled by the > aptitude package management tool for most configurations, and to a > certain degree also by the apt-get package management tool. This should be consistent with the Release Notes. I haven't been tracking the relevant section there very closely, but I thought apt-get was preferred now over aptitude. Could you investigate, and swap the order if that's the case? > About Debian Was there going to be a brief mention of the dedication to Thiemo in the announcement? (I think I saw the idea thrown somewhere, I'm just not sure if something came out of it.) Thanks! -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org If you want the holes in your knowledge showing up try teaching someone. -- Alan Cox -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Draft for lenny release announcement
[ Sorry for the cross post; just trying to make sure everyone is aware of the current state ] Hi! Attached you'll find the current draft of the announcement for the lenny release. Based upon the announcement for the last release it's far from ready :( Especially the second and third paragraphs need a better replacement; maybe the d-i or cd folks have a good idea about that? I tried my best to make the draft based on http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny and own experience but I'm sure I missed important thing. So please feel free to point out really important changes, which should be mentioned in the announcement. About the timeline... Hopefully we'll release next Saturday... So I would like to see the content of the announcement finished by Wednesday and use the remaining time for reviewing and translating the announcement. -l10n-english and -i18n will that be enough time for you? I know that ideally translators would work on a frozen version of the announcement, but I fear that won't fit into the remaining time. The most current version may be found in a private subversion repository (to avoid conflicts when using the wiki). You can get the most recent version from http://svn.schmehl.info/svn/debian-publicity/20090214-lenny-release/lenny-announcement.en.wml ; translators might later be interested in http://svn.schmehl.info/websvn/listing.php?repname=debian-publicity&path=%2F20090214-lenny-release%2F&rev=0&sc=0 to track changes in the document. Best regards, Alexander PS: I set reply-to to the publicity list, but feel free to follow up to an other list when discussing specific points (like translations); I'll try to follow the discussion on all lists. Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 released 2009-02-14 #use wml::debian::news The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 5.0, codenamed etch, after 22 months of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of eleven processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME Xfce and lxde desktop environments. It also features cryptographic software and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for version 3.2 of the LSB. Also beginning with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, the package management system has been improved regarding security and efficiency. Secure APT allows the verification of the integrity of packages downloaded from a mirror. Updated package indices won't be downloaded in their entirety, but instead patched with smaller files containing only differences from earlier versions. Debian GNU/Linux runs on computers ranging from palmtops and handheld systems to supercomputers, and on nearly everything in between. A total of eleven architectures are supported including: Sun SPARC (sparc), HP Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel IA-32 (i386) and IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips, mipsel), ARM (arm), IBM S/390 (s390) and AMD64 and Intel EM64T (amd64). This includes support for Marvell's Orion platform or devices based on the Orion platform, like QNAP Turbo Station, HP mv2120, and Buffalo Kurobox Pro. With the integration of X.org 7.3 the X server autoconfigures itself with most hardware. Newly introduced packages allow the full support of NTFS filesystems or the usage of most multimedia keys out of the box. Support for Macromedias Flash format is available via the swfdec plugin. Overall improvements for notebooks have been introduced, like out of the box support of CPU frequency scaling. The integration of OpenJDK, a free version of Sun's Java technology, into Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 made it possible to ship Java based applications in Debians "main" repository. Further improvement regarding the security of the system include the installation of available security updates before the first reboot by the installation system, the reduction of setuid root binaries and open ports in the standard installation as well as building several security-critical packages with GCC Hardening features. Various applications have specific improvements, too. PHP for example is now built with the Suhosin hardening patch. Debian GNU/Linux can be installed from various installation media such as DVDs, CDs, USB sticks and floppies, or from the network. GNOME is the default desktop environment and is contained on the first CD. The K Desktop Environment (KDE), the Xfce or the lxde desktop can be installed through two new alternative CD images. Again available with Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 are multi-arch CDs and DVDs supporting installation of multiple architectures from a single disc as well as Blue Ray Discs allowing the archive for an entire architecture to be shipped on a single installation medium. Debian GNU/Linux can be downloaded right now via bittorrent (the recommended way), jigdo or HTTP; see Debian GNU/Linux on CDs for further information. It will soon be available on DVD and CD-ROM from numerous vendors, too. This release includes a numb
