Closed lists as maintainers
I hope we can agree that maintainers should be able to receive mail from any legitimate sender. However, some maintainer addresses point to mailing lists that automatically reject mail from non-subscribers (without the intervention of a moderator). The case I am painfully aware of is grub-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org, listed as the maintainer for grub and grub2. I believe this configuration is unacceptable, but would like to check that there is a consensus on this before pressing the matter with the GRUB maintainers. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Reality is just a crutch for people who can't handle science fiction. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Closed lists as maintainers
On Tuesday 29 December 2009, Ben Hutchings wrote: I believe this configuration is unacceptable, but would like to check that there is a consensus on this before pressing the matter with the GRUB maintainers. I agree, but it's hardly a new issue. For grub it's been this way for years and there've been complaints and discussions about it many, many times. Cheers, FJP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Closed lists as maintainers
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:48:07PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
I hope we can agree that maintainers should be able to receive mail from
any legitimate sender.
snip
I believe this configuration is unacceptable, but would like to check
that there is a consensus on this before pressing the matter with the
GRUB maintainers.
I totally concur.
We are already treating as RC buggy packages whose maintainer address
bounce; usually corresponding bugs are filed by FTP masters upon upload
(probably because they see the bounce when dak tries to mail them).
I believe we should treat similarly (i.e. RC buggy) packages whose
maintainer address can't be mailed due to mailing list post
restrictions.
Cheers.
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Re: Closed lists as maintainers
Ben Hutchings wrote: I hope we can agree that maintainers should be able to receive mail from any legitimate sender. However, some maintainer addresses point to mailing lists that automatically reject mail from non-subscribers (without the intervention of a moderator). The case I am painfully aware of is grub-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org, listed as the maintainer for grub and grub2. I believe this configuration is unacceptable, but would like to check that there is a consensus on this before pressing the matter with the GRUB maintainers. I agree. Emilio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Closed lists as maintainers
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: I hope we can agree that maintainers should be able to receive mail from any legitimate sender. However, some maintainer addresses point to mailing lists that automatically reject mail from non-subscribers (without the intervention of a moderator). The case I am painfully aware of is grub-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org, listed as the maintainer for grub and grub2. I believe this configuration is unacceptable, but would like to check that there is a consensus on this before pressing the matter with the GRUB maintainers. I agree that automatic rejection is bad. I do think that holding for moderation is okay. The configuration that I use for pkg-shibboleth-devel is to automatically allow any message with X-Debian-PR-Package or X-Debian: DAK in the headers and then hold everything else from non-subscribers for moderation, expiring messages after seven days, and disabling the moderation notification messages to the sender. I then review every message held for moderation through my own spam filters and go and approve anything that's legitimate, whitelisting the sender at the same time. I set an expiration time of 7 days for things in the moderation queue so that I don't have to keep going in there and cleaning it out. I also always use discard for things that time out or things that I reject. This seems to minimize the annoying nag mail while still getting rid of the spam (which, before I started doing this, caused several people to constantly get unsubscribed from the list since their ISPs rejected spam mail that Alioth let through). I think it's particularly important to automatically let through BTS messages (X-Debian-PR-Package) and messages from automated archive processes. Spam from those sources is extremely low. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Debian Maintainers Keyring changes
The following changes to the debian-maintainers keyring have just been activated: ans...@43-1.org Full name: Ansgar Burchardt Added key: 739E2D090969BEA99797B055DDB02FF7595FAD19 bal...@balintreczey.hu Full name: Balint Reczey Added key: 0C87E53710F3240B7041E203992B8C75A5674EC1 battis...@poisson.phc.unipi.it Full name: Pietro Battiston Added key: 126DAF6BCC84D7D05D6A4C9A71956D47CD9B9806 b...@benfinney.id.au Added key: DD25BB851EE697A7C697E52E222605EC7D1A1B79 Linked key: 9CFE12B0791A4267887F520CB7AC2E51BD41714B (formerly belonging to ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au) bi...@billy.com.mx Full name: William Vera Added key: 3E73FA1F5C57600504394D751FD2BF96F5CC22A4 ctse.t...@gmail.com Full name: Chen-Tse Tsai Added key: 225DF1029718A1B08D837BDFEA11D609624D95E5 deb...@alteholz.de Full name: Thorsten Alteholz Added key: 36E2EDDEC21FEC8F77B87436D362B62A54B99890 fsate...@gmail.com Full name: Felipe Sateler Added key: 218EE0362033C87B6C135FA4A3BABAE2408DD6CF he...@sntech.de Full name: Heiko Stuebner Added key: 795D0851095CAACA16CA79259AFB7B8C9A5F5BBC Added key: 5581B2A0B7D38466331F5D511BABE63BEA316797 joha...@simula.no Full name: Johannes Ring Added key: B3F8B98212122A201F1E8B1344DE9F807F14 laur...@open-minds.org Full name: Laurent Léonard Added key: 0F65B88F1EB8928A3DF9D76C28466F1A54C2A185 mar...@holoscopio.com Full name: Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva Linked key: AF9DA0A7A7549CA8EB221E3F840C0E9A45754E44 (formerly belonging to mar...@riseup.net) nicolas.valcar...@canonical.com Full name: Nicolas Valcárcel Scerpella Added key: 5C4D0C85D9C098FE11F9DD12524EC3CDEF584970 quadris...@ubuntu.com Full name: Alessio Treglia Added key: 0FEC59A5E18EE04F6D40593B45D48C7CDCFC3FD0 thomas.muel...@tmit.eu Full name: Thomas Müller Added key: E4D7FFE905DC76C272F331D5381D2AC78124B100 Debian distribution maintenance software, on behalf of the Keyring maintainers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Closed lists as maintainers
I hope we can agree that maintainers should be able to receive mail from any legitimate sender. Yes. However, some maintainer addresses point to mailing lists that automatically reject mail from non-subscribers (without the intervention of a moderator). The case I am painfully aware of is grub-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org, listed as the maintainer for grub and grub2. I believe this configuration is unacceptable, but would like to check that there is a consensus on this before pressing the matter with the GRUB maintainers. As soon as I see a bounce to a dak mail due to a broken maintainer address, its an RC bug (or a reject from NEW). Granted, dak is whitelisted pretty widely nowadays, but it happens often enough. Valid mails to maintainer addresses should get through. So in your case an RC bug sounds good. :) -- bye, Joerg I'm convinced that the ftpmaster team are ninjas -- they do their stuff, but they do it quietly and behind the scenes, so everybody thinks they're asleep at the wheel...) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Closed lists as maintainers
Russ Allbery wrote: I hope we can agree that maintainers should be able to receive mail from any legitimate sender. However, some maintainer addresses point to mailing lists that automatically reject mail from non-subscribers (without the intervention of a moderator). The case I am painfully aware of is grub-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org, listed as the maintainer for grub and grub2. I believe this configuration is unacceptable, but would like to check that there is a consensus on this before pressing the matter with the GRUB maintainers. I agree that automatic rejection is bad. I do think that holding for moderation is okay. The configuration that I use for pkg-shibboleth-devel is to automatically allow any message with X-Debian-PR-Package or X-Debian: DAK in the headers and then hold everything else from non-subscribers for moderation, expiring messages after seven days, and disabling the moderation notification messages to the sender. I then review every message held for moderation through my own spam filters and go and approve anything that's legitimate, whitelisting the sender at the same time. I set an expiration time of 7 days for things in the moderation queue so that I don't have to keep going in there and cleaning it out. I also always use discard for things that time out or things that I reject. With an active owner approving messages this sounds like a sane setup. I think it's particularly important to automatically let through BTS messages (X-Debian-PR-Package) and messages from automated archive processes. Spam from those sources is extremely low. ack. Regards, Joey -- Open source is important from a technical angle. -- Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
