Re: I'm resigning as Release Manager
Hi Luk, On Sonntag, 14. März 2010, Luk Claes wrote: It's time to stop thinking I would be able to keep working as Release Manager in this climate, I hereby resign as Release Manager. Thank you a lot for your awesome work as a release manager! I'm sad to see (you resign like) this and hope to see you back eventually. Be happy in any case! cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Invite to join the Release Team
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 06:14:45PM +, Clint Adams wrote:
We are in an election period and I would like for the project
to elect a DPL who not only does not support a certain level
of non-transparency, but is actively intolerant of it.
I do not know whether or not we have any potential candidates
who fit that bill yet.
To that end, it would be nice to have a specific question posed on
-vote: that venue is IMHO more appropriate to answer your question than
-project. (Or just prod the candidates to follow-up there if the above
is already the complete question.)
Cheers.
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Re: Invite to join the Release Team
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 03:09:43PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: To that end, it would be nice to have a specific question posed on -vote: that venue is IMHO more appropriate to answer your question than -project. (Or just prod the candidates to follow-up there if the above is already the complete question.) I plan to ask many specific questions on -vote with regard to transparency and decentralization of power, and I will definitely try to have them formulated before the end of the week. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100315154238.ga25...@scru.org
Re: Question in respect to GNU/Lnux affiliation
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:20 PM, The Hickeys hick...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote: How come the GNU/Linux site does not have Debian on its free distribution list, and makes no mention of Debian at all it seems? Is this because Debian does not adhere to the GNU/Linux Free Software Definition? Thanks, Greg H. Hey, See here: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/common-distros.html Quote: Debian Debian's Social Contract does say that all software in the main distribution will be free software. Unfortunately, that's not always true in practice. Debian has repeatedly made tacit or explicit exceptions for specific pieces of nonfree software, such as the blobs included in or accompanying Linux. We're still hopeful that there won't be such exceptions in the future, but we can't turn a blind eye to the situation as it stands today. Debian also provides a repository of nonfree software. According to the project, this software is “not part of the Debian system.” We understand that's important for organizational reasons, but users would be hard-pressed to make a distinction. The nonfree repositories are often featured as prominently as the main ones throughout Debian's web site, documentation, and other materials. Regards, Angus. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/996de46c1003140857g32d73bcew6d87968264a91...@mail.gmail.com
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Re: Invite to join the Release Team
On Mon Mar 15 05:16, Clint Adams wrote: On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 09:23:23PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/03/msg00011.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/05/msg00080.html So it wasn't that secret after all. (Note that all this happened last year, including Luk's tweet.) I apologize for missing these two URLs. Was there other information communicated through proper channels or can we agree that the only parts of this that lacked transparency were the selection of time, manner, place, attendees, and proposed agenda; who actually attended; what actually was discussed; and possible aftermath which may have resulted from these discussions? I'm confused as to why you are expecting to be involved in or be informed about a meeting of a team you are not a part of? Matt -- Matthew Johnson signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Invite to join the Release Team
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:18:54PM +, Matthew Johnson wrote: I'm confused as to why you are expecting to be involved in or be informed about a meeting of a team you are not a part of? I'm confused as to why multiple DDs don't seem to understand what transparency means. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100315204721.ga16...@scru.org
Re: Invite to join the Release Team
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Matthew Johnson wrote: I'm confused as to why you are expecting to be involved in or be informed about a meeting of a team you are not a part of? If a team is meeting, the meeting and agenda should be announced, and the decisions and discussions which occur in the meeting should be made as public and available as possible, as soon as possible. It doesn't have to be perfect, and it doesn't need to be pretty, but meetings without announcements and notes should be avoided as much as possible in Debian. You shouldn't have to be part of a team to find out what a team in Debian is doing. Don Armstrong -- After the first battle of Sto Lat, I formulated a policy which has stood me in good stead in other battles. It is this: if an enemy has an impregnable stronghold, see he stays there. -- Terry Pratchett _Jingo_ p265 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100315212451.gx4...@teltox.donarmstrong.com
Re: Invite to join the Release Team
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 02:24:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Matthew Johnson wrote: I'm confused as to why you are expecting to be involved in or be informed about a meeting of a team you are not a part of? If a team is meeting, the meeting and agenda should be announced, and the decisions and discussions which occur in the meeting should be made as public and available as possible, as soon as possible. It doesn't have to be perfect, and it doesn't need to be pretty, but meetings without announcements and notes should be avoided as much as possible in Debian. And by all means: The first opportunity to learn about a team's decision MUST NOT be a press release. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 3221 2323190 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100315223216.ga32...@torres.zugschlus.de
vmlinuz / vmlinuz.old
/*To whom it may concern , good morning ! Most likely you have never come across the Hausordnung of a regular railway station.Should you ever want to see a similar kind of administrational accomplishment,you only have to look at your own regulations in particular or ubuntu-regulations in general. - Everything is very well regulated - even questioning,e.g. if someone wants to ask a question,one is expected to check a zillion of contributions ,to find out,if this very question has not been asked ,hence,answered before. - Congratulations - This is brilliant,however,I am afraid,that by the time,I have made it through _all_ contributions,my hair will have grown white or I will have forgotten my name,if not my question,too. But - since I was born to decent parents,I have also inherited some of their decency.And in order for you to realize this personal quality of mine I hereby want to ask you as humble as I can be : to whom could I direct a question,which refers to vmlinuz/vmlinuz.old ? With regards - and thanks for your attention - DR. BROONSKII . */
Re: Invite to join the Release Team
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 06:14:45PM +, Clint Adams wrote: On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 04:09:34PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: That meeting took place in May of last year. What's the point of discussing it almost 9 months later? What exactly triggered your blog post? We are in an election period and I would like for the project to elect a DPL who not only does not support a certain level of non-transparency, but is actively intolerant of it. If you have such questions, it's usually easiest for everyone involved if you bring them up on -vote, the relevant forum for this kind of thing. Anyway, since you ask (cc to -vote added), I believe it is nobody's business where anyone heads off to if they pay for it all by themselves. If a group of Debian people decides to meet up in a pub in Cambridge, that's their prerogative. If the members of that group just happen to coincide with the members of a particular team within Debian, that does not change the situation, nor would it if they discuss matters related to what the team does in Debian; and if those discussions result in any kind of decision that is their responsibility to take, I still don't see any problem. Whether we talk about the release team consisting of people from all over the world, or the debian ocaml team consisting of mostly people from France (with the occasional Italian guy -- hey Zack!) is irrelevant in that part, IMO. Of course it is desirable for the team to communicate any decisions through the proper channels, whenever and wherever they could be relevant to other people; this may involve a debian-devel-announce post, or, say, in case of something relevant to porters, a mail to the debian-ports alias. The team should also be careful to talk to relevant other people *before* making a definite decision if it could reasonably be expected that such input from outside the team could bring up important information. But all this is no different to any other form of communication. As long as a team does not actively refuse cooperation from people outside their team, it should be totally their decision whether they want to use mailinglists, private mails, IRC channels, blog posts, instant messaging, or real-life meetings as their preferred method of communication. Of course, if the team does ask for (and receives) Debian money, then some level of reporting after the fact should be mandatory, to make sure that the DPL and the project as a whole can decide whether the money has been well spent. It should also be made reasonably clear how interested parties can join the team. But beyond that, I do not believe that any requirements should be made on how people decide what their preferred method of communication is. I do not know whether or not we have any potential candidates who fit that bill yet. Hope this helps, -- The biometric identification system at the gates of the CIA headquarters works because there's a guard with a large gun making sure no one is trying to fool the system. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/01/biometrics.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: vmlinuz / vmlinuz.old
Hallo Doktor, Ich würde sagen, erst mal die debian-user-ger...@lists.debian.org Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant Am 2010-03-16 01:21:44, schrieb dr.broonskii: /*To whom it may concern , good morning ! Most likely you have never come across the Hausordnung of a regular railway station.Should you ever want to see a similar kind of administrational accomplishment,you only have to look at your own regulations in particular or ubuntu-regulations in general. - Everything is very well regulated - even questioning,e.g. if someone wants to ask a question,one is expected to check a zillion of contributions ,to find out,if this very question has not been asked ,hence,answered before. - Congratulations - This is brilliant,however,I am afraid,that by the time,I have made it through _all_ contributions,my hair will have grown white or I will have forgotten my name,if not my question,too. But - since I was born to decent parents,I have also inherited some of their decency.And in order for you to realize this personal quality of mine I hereby want to ask you as humble as I can be : to whom could I direct a question,which refers to vmlinuz/vmlinuz.old ? With regards - and thanks for your attention - DR. BROONSKII . */ END OF REPLIED MESSAGE -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strabourg/France IRC#Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ#328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
